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[Montrovant]

The POTUS can’t “declare war” against another country, but he can “use military action” against another country.

Is the way we’ve been doing this what was intended by the founding fathers? I doubt it.

A few things:

- I think our Constitution should have been more clear on this.

- I think we should have fixed this loophole by now, which has been exploited by both sides.

- I think it’s troubling that we’re still running into these kinds of system issues this far into our nation’s existence.

- I think the POTUS has too much power.

This is about where I stand on the issue.

It doesn't matter that Trump is currently president, the same issue has existed for a long time, under administrations/congresses of both major parties.

I've disliked the way the US deals with the Constitution for most of my adult life. As a nation we tend to use the Constitution as a guideline rather than a set of rules. It works, in its way, so there is almost no real pushback on it. I think the amendment process is difficult enough that the government long ago decided to find easier ways to circumvent Constitutional limitations.

I also think Congress has ceded too much power to the President over time. I'm not entirely sure why that's the case, but here we are.

To get into the current situation more specifically, I thought one of the few things that was a clear positive from Trump's first presidency was our country avoiding new global conflicts. That's clearly not how this second term is going. As awful as Iran may be, the justification being used for the attacks rings pretty hollow to me. If it's the nuclear program, that was supposedly set back years with the total obliteration of 3 facilities just 9 months ago. If it's to stop the killing of protesters, there was a long gap between the time Trump talked about helping the Iranian protesters and when these attacks occurred. In my eyes, this is just another of the long list of projections of US power that presidents have been engaging in since long before I was born. That doesn't mean I'm in any way defending Iran or the actions of the Islamic government there; as far as I can see, those bastards deserve what they get and more. The Iranian government being awful doesn't mean I think our government should ignore the rules set out in the Constitution or even in our laws, however.

And when it comes to TN, I certainly don't agree with him on many things, but those of you who are automatically painting him as some sort of leftist for not supporting this war with Iran are just showing how blinded by partisanship you are.

 

[jc456]

you prefer scamala and the transgender women haters. hilarious.

Montrovant , buttercup , you both covering for TN now? or, are you him? how would you know what he prefers is fake or not? Weird reaction to something that wasn't about you both.

 

[jc456]

The Trump tribe is saying it's not a war. The Trump administration is calling it a war.

They're as dumb as the left "Mostly peaceful protests," (with fire raging in the background)

no war has been declared, has it?

Taking out terrorists who threaten the people around the globe. There's no better explanation of that by who Iran have been bombing since the attack on Friday. People who didn't attack them. That is some kind of evil terrorism to me.

 

[YoursTruly]

no war has been declared, has it?

Taking out terrorists who threaten the people around the globe. There's no better explanation of that by who they have been bombing since the attack on Friday. People who didn't attack them. That is some kind of evil terrorism to me.

It wasn't declared by congress.

That doesn't mean it's any less of a war.

 

[jc456]

It wasn't declared by congress.

That doesn't mean it's any less of a war.

define war.

 

[YoursTruly]

Montrovant , buttercup , you both covering for TN now? or, are you him? how would you know what he prefers is fake or not? Weird reaction to something that wasn't about you both.

Common sense will always prevail over political loyalist.

 

[Nostra]

Goodbye child.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Is that a serious statement?

It's a challenge for you to prove your claim.

Cite the Article/Section and copy/paste the text where the Constitution says the President needs to consult with Congress while prosecuting a declared war.

Well?

 

[YoursTruly]

It's a challenge for you to prove your claim.

Cite the Article/Section and copy/paste the text where the Constitution says the President needs to consult with Congress while prosecuting a declared war.

Well?

How about you prove I'm wrong, and stop playing word games.

 

[jc456]

Common sense will always prevail over political loyalist.

that makes no sense to my post to TN.

One has to prefer something over something else when one makes statements like his.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How about you prove I'm wrong,...

Easily.
Nothing in the constitution requires the President to consult with Congress while prosecuting a declared war.
Nothing. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

See? I proved you wrong.

Disagree?
Cite the Article/Section and copy/paste the text where the Constitution says the President needs to consult with Congress while prosecuting a declared war.

 

[jc456]

What we get for it.

Dead American soldiers
Higher gas prices.
And more debt.

what we will gain is no more Iranians murdered by their government and setting stability in the region. American Soldiers know the risk to serve, and are proud to do it for valid reasons, and Iran not having nuclear bombs is a really good one to fight against.

 

[jc456]

Easily.
Nothing in the constitution requires the President to consult with Congress while prosecuting a declared war.
Nothing. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

See? I proved you wrong.

Disagree?
Cite the Article/Section and copy/paste the text where the Constitution says the President needs to consult with Congress while prosecuting a declared war.

That's how one knows they are a cult, they do zero research, they just do as their told.

 

[Stryder50]

I had an argument with one of my political science professors 50+ years ago. Kissinger was all the rage, then, and the professor was a firm proponent of the MAD doctrine. My argument was that it was flawed since it was predicated upon rational actors representing nation states acting in rational ways, and that people are irrational creatures at best and there are frames of reference that go beyond the nation state. He dismissed me being the arrogant bastard that he was and my being 17 did not exactly provide me any gravitas, but in their own way, the Mullahs have proven me right.

I think it was around 15 or 20 rears ago when Rafsanjani came right out and said that Iran wanted Nukes to use on Israel because any potential retaliation would cause "damages only" to the Ummah. The crazy bastard wasn't concerned with a nation state, but all of Islam and its central directive to expand until nothing but Islam remained.

They want nukes. They plan on using them. They must not be allowed to have them. MAD is out the window, here.

I brought up MAD to provide a history factor and context to the present situation.
Your post is spot on.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I brought up MAD to provide a history factor and context to the present situation.

That is what I assumed.

You are a most excellent poster, and I have complete respect for you.

 

[Stryder50]

That is what I assumed.

You are a most excellent poster, and I have complete respect for you.

Aww.... you made me blush.
Your posts and comments ain't so bad either.

 

[Chuz Life]

Yes! Lets celebrate the Supreme court making laws from the bench, making things up, and presidents abusing their powers and going against the founders!
YES!!!!
I bet you love the patriot act too. I bet you bitched about warrantless surveillance on trump though, didnt ya?
They make leather boots for just this type of situation.

Laws from the bench. . . .

Hmmmm.

Did you support the Roe vs Wade decision?

 

[jc456]

Laws from the bench. . . . |

Hmmmm.

Did you support the Roe vs Wade decision?

talk about someone who doesn't care about the constitution huh?

 

[MisterBeale]

Lol. You got duped for the 100th time.
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[dblack]

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