19 more days till trump solves Ukraine war.

[TimFitz]

Funny how none of you single digit IQ Dimwingers bleat about the EC when a Dimwinger wins.

Weird.

my point stands.

Name one Democrat that won the electoral college while losing (or barely winning) the popular vote.

 

[Man With A Plan]

The WSJ is one of the few real newspapers in the Murdoch empire.

They do practice journalism, as does the Times and the Post (I subscribe to all three).

of course, their editorial policies wary considerably!

The New York Times? They used to practice journalism, Tim. They used to be the Gold Standard. That ship has sailed however. They don't even pretend to be unbiased.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I already knew that.

I take it that you don’t know that Deutsche Bank was a primary conduit for Russian money laundering.

If you already knew it, Tim...why did you claim that Trump wasn't getting loans from any Western banks? That's a lie.

 

[Nostra]

my point stands.

Name one Democrat that won the electoral college while losing (or barely winning) the popular vote.

Bill Clinton. Twice.

Next?

 

[TimFitz]

You folks will never understand Trump's negotiating method. Because most politicians never negotiate that way. It's how it's done by business men and women, people who have to produce to succeed.

By making his claim of ending the war in 24 hours, Trump disses Zelensky by implying that he can force him to settle with Russia that quickly, or even scare him into settling before Trump takes office.

Now . . . if Zelensky holds out and doesn't settle with Russia until a week after Trump takes office, Zelensky can claim to have shown up the Big Orange Amerikanez and save face. Trump gets what he wants, which is to stop shipping so much money and equipment to Zelensky and be able to use that money to build a big beautiful wall.

If Zelensky isn't crazy, saving face is all he wants at this point, along with keeping enough of Ukraine to be able to hold his head up at the next World Conference of Dictators meeting.

Trump is an appallingly weak negotiator.

No, people in business don’t strut and bluster ineffectively. Trump does. And he usually winds up giving away the store.

He always follows the same pattern.

First, he makes an outlandish and ridiculous claim in public. Which only serves to make him look ridiculous.

Then he doubles down on it, regardless of what the other side does, which drives Trump further into his own corner.

When discussions do start, Trump hops around and refuses to set terms or negotiate in good faith. This usually involves leading participants to think they have a deal, only to have Trump throw the deal over a make new demands.

At this point, Trump’s deal either falls apart, or negotiations resume in a poisoned atmosphere of distrust, since Trump has already demonstrated that he will not conduct himself in good faith.

If a deal seems clear, Trump starts trying to take all sides in public (which is a reflection of his pathological need to win every time),

At this point, the deal usually falls apart, or Trump winds up settling for less, or on;y pyrric victories.

For Trump a pyrric victory, is good enough. Appearances always counted for far more than reality in Trump’s mind.

He knows his political base will cheer, no matter what.

Trump is now between his long time Kremlin benefactors, who won’t settle for anything less than the conquest of Ukraine, and Ukraine, which will settle for nothing less than Russia’s defeat.

Trump is not an honest broker here. His dependence on Russian money and his kowtowing to the people who lent it to him, make him a dishonest broker.

His consistent kowtowing to Putin and his support for the Russian invasion also render him dishonest as a broker as well

Zelinsky knows all of this. His experience with the clown Prince give him no reason to trust Trump or believe any commitment he may make.

And the Russians are now publicly demanding that trump do their bidding.

Of course, if a weak man like Trump allows himself to be bullied by Putin into pushing Moscow’s agenda, and play the modern day Neville Chamberlain, his American base will cheer him as a great diplomat and peacemaker. Thevnoid]se machine is already setting thst table.

The independence of Ukraine, and America’s role as leader of the western alliance hang in the balance.

 

[TimFitz]

Bill Clinton. Twice.

Next?

False, on both counts.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Congress appropriated military aid to Ukraine. Trump sat on the money for over a year, while he was being rope a doped by the Russians and his Ukranian blackmail scheme.

Trump may have sent the arms. But he didn’t want to and did everything he could to hold it up.

But you already knew that.

Reread the question:

What favor did Zelensky do for Trump?

Not “please whine randomly about Trump again.”

 

[Nostra]

False, on both counts.

Popular vote count:

1992: Clinton 43%. Others 57%
1996: Clinton: 47% others 53%

He lost the popular vote both times, Moron.

 

[BULLDOG]

He isnt blatantly lying. He is saying that its his top priority, or at least one of them. There is ZERO expectation from conservatives that it will be done on day 1. We dont take Trumps long unscripted campaign speeches literally word for word. Only an idiot would do that.

You have some nerve to expect nothing less than perfection from Trump after the ******* trainwreck we had with Biden the last 4 years.

On of his main points for wanting votes was how quickly and easily he would end that war. He can do it neither quickly nor easily.

 

[Man With A Plan]

On of his main points for wanting votes was how quickly and easily he would end that war. He can do it neither quickly nor easily.

Gee, Bulldog...would you rather have Sleepy Joe in charge or Kamala? The two of them couldn't find their own asses with a one hand on their butt cheek head start!

 

[Man With A Plan]

On of his main points for wanting votes was how quickly and easily he would end that war. He can do it neither quickly nor easily.

And his main point was that if he was in office that war would have never HAPPENED!

 

[Nostra]

Gee, Bulldog...would you rather have Sleepy Joe in charge or Kamala? The two of them couldn't find their own asses with a one hand on their butt cheek head start!

...and florescent Depends under a black light.

 

[Godboy]

On of his main points for wanting votes was how quickly and easily he would end that war. He can do it neither quickly nor easily.

Why do you think it will be hard? Do you think Zelenski wants to continue the war without our support? Nope. Do you think Putin will accept a deal that lets him keep what he has taken? Yep.

 

[irosie91]

Why do you think it will be hard? Do you think Zelenski wants to continue the war without our support? Nope. Do you think Putin will accept a deal that lets him keep what he has taken? Yep.

I hope that Trump does not try to impose such a "deal"

 

[Godboy]

I hope that Trump does not try to impose such a "deal"

Why wouldnt he propose that deal? Ukraine obviously cant take the land back, even with our support, so why continue the war?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

But what if it is not? 19 days till inauguration. That's not much time.

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17 days is 17 days, unless you use left cult math.












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[irosie91]

Why wouldnt he propose that deal? Ukraine obviously cant take the land back, even with our support, so why continue the war?

it's not entirely clear to me that Ukraine has to give up all the land
that POOTIE expropriated

 

[TimFitz]

Popular vote count:

1992: Clinton 43%. Others 57%
1996: Clinton: 47% others 53%

He lost the popular vote both times, Moron.

Alas for your petty observation, ther never has been a President Others.

 

[Nostra]

Alas for your petty observation, ther never has been a President Others.

Your dumbass comment doesn’t change the fact I just proved you wrong.

 

[BULLDOG]

Gee, Bulldog...would you rather have Sleepy Joe in charge or Kamala? The two of them couldn't find their own asses with a one hand on their butt cheek head start!

If all trump has is unrealized claims of imagined capabilities, he's worthless. Come back if he actually accomplishes what he promised. So far, he's just promised an end to the war on a ridiculous timeline. He hasn't done anything about it but make absurd promises.