14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

[thereisnospoon]

Nonsense, spoon. Those facts are spun opinions. Teachers associations of workers have their place in the system. A slick business model for schools that place cost efficiency at the cost of learning is a greater loss because the students lose.

Umm, they are either facts or opinions. Cannot be both.
You just don't like what you've read. Does not make it any less factual.
And please spare me the "it's for the kids" mantra.
In every contract impasse, teachers strike 100% of the time. They may say they are dedicated to the kids, but when it comes down to their wallets, unionized teachers are business people just like everyone else.
Looking out for number one.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Anyone know why states passed tenure laws?

Go back a few posts and read the links I posted.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Stupidity.

Tenure is a tradition in Universities that was designed to encourage academic freedom, allowing professors to explore topics that may not be popular with the public without fear that they would lose their positions.

Clearly, tenure is absurd when dealing with primary education.

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

Civil Service, as well as tenure, is meant to insulate government employees from political considerations. It's a benefit of the job. Like any benefit, if you want qualified young people to take up the profession, you'll either have to offer the benefit or offer monetary recompense to make up for it.

The biggest issue I see in education right now is why on Earth would anyone go into it at the primary education level? Between required lesson plans, paperwork, grading, and assigned extra curricular activities (which does happen now that teacher unions are weakened), the job is a 60-90 hour a week job. With weakened tenure, there's no real job security. You're vulnerable to lawsuits from parents. The starting pay is a joke. There is literally no community respect for the position and you're a constant bad guy for politicians looking to score points. Who on Earth wants to go into the job?

It's little wonder the burn out rate is so high for teachers.

You are interviewing for the position of teacher union delegate?

 

[thereisnospoon]

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

Civil Service, as well as tenure, is meant to insulate government employees from political considerations. It's a benefit of the job. Like any benefit, if you want qualified young people to take up the profession, you'll either have to offer the benefit or offer monetary recompense to make up for it.

The biggest issue I see in education right now is why on Earth would anyone go into it at the primary education level? Between required lesson plans, paperwork, grading, and assigned extra curricular activities (which does happen now that teacher unions are weakened), the job is a 60-90 hour a week job. With weakened tenure, there's no real job security. You're vulnerable to lawsuits from parents. The starting pay is a joke. There is literally no community respect for the position and you're a constant bad guy for politicians looking to score points. Who on Earth wants to go into the job?

It's little wonder the burn out rate is so high for teachers.

Those are the reasons, plus a couple more-

Assigning grades with tenure separates the teacher from pressure applied by parents or coaches within the system to keep someone elligilbe. That commonly occurs.

Enforcing rules and assigning discipline is no place to be without tenure. The wrong people in a small community can have you axed in a heartbeat.

Without tenure, when a kid says, "I'll have my mom come in and she'll have your job," it no longer is an empty threat. The fact that the kid is right erases any chance of a career in this field.
You are dealing with kids that have hormone spikes and mood swings every 5 minutes. They also don't have enough experience to handle anger.

Sound like your kind of job? I'm sure there'll be plenty of openings in the coming years..

Oh puhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze....Cry me a river.
You make it appear this type of thing is commonplace....Does it happen? Sure does.
Often? No.

 

[blimpo]

Civil Service, as well as tenure, is meant to insulate government employees from political considerations. It's a benefit of the job. Like any benefit, if you want qualified young people to take up the profession, you'll either have to offer the benefit or offer monetary recompense to make up for it.

The biggest issue I see in education right now is why on Earth would anyone go into it at the primary education level? Between required lesson plans, paperwork, grading, and assigned extra curricular activities (which does happen now that teacher unions are weakened), the job is a 60-90 hour a week job. With weakened tenure, there's no real job security. You're vulnerable to lawsuits from parents. The starting pay is a joke. There is literally no community respect for the position and you're a constant bad guy for politicians looking to score points. Who on Earth wants to go into the job?

It's little wonder the burn out rate is so high for teachers.

Those are the reasons, plus a couple more-

Assigning grades with tenure separates the teacher from pressure applied by parents or coaches within the system to keep someone elligilbe. That commonly occurs.

Enforcing rules and assigning discipline is no place to be without tenure. The wrong people in a small community can have you axed in a heartbeat.

Without tenure, when a kid says, "I'll have my mom come in and she'll have your job," it no longer is an empty threat. The fact that the kid is right erases any chance of a career in this field.
You are dealing with kids that have hormone spikes and mood swings every 5 minutes. They also don't have enough experience to handle anger.

Sound like your kind of job? I'm sure there'll be plenty of openings in the coming years..

Oh puhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze....Cry me a river.
You make it appear this type of thing is commonplace....Does it happen? Sure does.
Often? No.

Kids don't go home and tattle stupid untrue stuff?
Parents don't charge in raising hell about something that didn't occur?
Kids don't have hormone spikes and mood swings?
I can name many instances where pressure kept an F off an athlete's report card.
Why do these kids (athletes) pass classes and then bomb on ECAs, SATs, and ACTs?

If it happens at all it's too much...

I'm glad you have probably never taught. You'd have had one hell of a time dealing with reality.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

You are interviewing for the position of teacher union delegate?

You have a meaningful response?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Facts can be spun into one's opinion, and that is what you are doing.

You are right. I value teachers more than you, and I value teachers' associations, who are the bulwark between good learning and the forces of ignorance.

No, teachers do not strike 100% of the time during confronation. That is silly to say that.

Yup, teachers are concerned about their wallets, just like you and me, but the fact remains that too many teachers, in numbers, are more concerned about the kids' education than are the children's parents.

Nonsense, spoon. Those facts are spun opinions. Teachers associations of workers have their place in the system. A slick business model for schools that place cost efficiency at the cost of learning is a greater loss because the students lose.

Umm, they are either facts or opinions. Cannot be both.
You just don't like what you've read. Does not make it any less factual.
And please spare me the "it's for the kids" mantra.
In every contract impasse, teachers strike 100% of the time. They may say they are dedicated to the kids, but when it comes down to their wallets, unionized teachers are business people just like everyone else.
Looking out for number one.

 

[PoliticalChic]

By Deanna Pan

Slave masters were nice, the KKK is A-OK, and the Great Depression is a liberal fantasy. Thanks, Gov. Jindal!

Thanks to a new law privatizing public education in Louisiana, Bible-based curriculum can now indoctrinate young, pliant minds with the good news of the Lord—all on the state taxpayers' dime.

Under Gov. Bobby Jindal's voucher program, considered the most sweeping in the country, Louisiana is poised to spend tens of millions of dollars to help poor and middle-class students from the state's notoriously terrible public schools receive a private education. While the governor's plan sounds great in the glittery parlance of the state's PR machine, the program is rife with accountability problems that actually haven't been solved by the new standards the Louisiana Department of Education adopted two weeks ago.

For one, of the 119 (mostly Christian) participating schools, Zack Kopplin, a gutsy college sophomore who's taken to Change.org to stonewall the program, has identified at least 19 that teach or champion creationist nonscience and will rake in nearly $4 million in public funding from the initial round of voucher designations.

Many of these schools, Kopplin notes, rely on Pensacola-based A Beka Book curriculum or Bob Jones University Press textbooks to teach their pupils Bible-based "facts," such as the existence of Nessie the Loch Ness Monster and all sorts of pseudoscience that researcher Rachel Tabachnick and writer Thomas Vinciguerra have thankfully pored over so the rest of world doesn't have to.

Here are some of my favorite lessons:

1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

More holy shit stuff to make sane people cringe: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?”

But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet: "The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture."

 

[thereisnospoon]

Facts can be spun into one's opinion, and that is what you are doing.

You are right. I value teachers more than you, and I value teachers' associations, who are the bulwark between good learning and the forces of ignorance.

No, teachers do not strike 100% of the time during confronation. That is silly to say that.

Yup, teachers are concerned about their wallets, just like you and me, but the fact remains that too many teachers, in numbers, are more concerned about the kids' education than are the children's parents.

Nonsense, spoon. Those facts are spun opinions. Teachers associations of workers have their place in the system. A slick business model for schools that place cost efficiency at the cost of learning is a greater loss because the students lose.

Umm, they are either facts or opinions. Cannot be both.
You just don't like what you've read. Does not make it any less factual.
And please spare me the "it's for the kids" mantra.
In every contract impasse, teachers strike 100% of the time. They may say they are dedicated to the kids, but when it comes down to their wallets, unionized teachers are business people just like everyone else.
Looking out for number one.

Facts are facts there Sunshine. Deal with it.
As for the rest of your retort. Try reading the entire post the way it was written. Not in the way you interpret it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

Civil Service, as well as tenure, is meant to insulate government employees from political considerations. It's a benefit of the job. Like any benefit, if you want qualified young people to take up the profession, you'll either have to offer the benefit or offer monetary recompense to make up for it.

The biggest issue I see in education right now is why on Earth would anyone go into it at the primary education level? Between required lesson plans, paperwork, grading, and assigned extra curricular activities (which does happen now that teacher unions are weakened), the job is a 60-90 hour a week job. With weakened tenure, there's no real job security. You're vulnerable to lawsuits from parents. The starting pay is a joke. There is literally no community respect for the position and you're a constant bad guy for politicians looking to score points. Who on Earth wants to go into the job?

It's little wonder the burn out rate is so high for teachers.

Those are the reasons, plus a couple more-

Assigning grades with tenure separates the teacher from pressure applied by parents or coaches within the system to keep someone elligilbe. That commonly occurs.

Enforcing rules and assigning discipline is no place to be without tenure. The wrong people in a small community can have you axed in a heartbeat.

Without tenure, when a kid says, "I'll have my mom come in and she'll have your job," it no longer is an empty threat. The fact that the kid is right erases any chance of a career in this field.
You are dealing with kids that have hormone spikes and mood swings every 5 minutes. They also don't have enough experience to handle anger.

Sound like your kind of job? I'm sure there'll be plenty of openings in the coming years..

Earlier in this thread I stated there must be a balance to the one size fits all concept of tenure.
Balance. Understand?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have no facts, sunshine. I wrote to your post, and if you don't like the answer, then look at your post, not my answer, because it was correct.

Facts can be spun into one's opinion, and that is what you are doing.

You are right. I value teachers more than you, and I value teachers' associations, who are the bulwark between good learning and the forces of ignorance.

No, teachers do not strike 100% of the time during confronation. That is silly to say that.

Yup, teachers are concerned about their wallets, just like you and me, but the fact remains that too many teachers, in numbers, are more concerned about the kids' education than are the children's parents.

Umm, they are either facts or opinions. Cannot be both.
You just don't like what you've read. Does not make it any less factual.
And please spare me the "it's for the kids" mantra.
In every contract impasse, teachers strike 100% of the time. They may say they are dedicated to the kids, but when it comes down to their wallets, unionized teachers are business people just like everyone else.
Looking out for number one.

Facts are facts there Sunshine. Deal with it.
As for the rest of your retort. Try reading the entire post the way it was written. Not in the way you interpret it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You have no facts, sunshine. I wrote to your post, and if you don't like the answer, then look at your post, not my answer, because it was correct.

Facts can be spun into one's opinion, and that is what you are doing.

You are right. I value teachers more than you, and I value teachers' associations, who are the bulwark between good learning and the forces of ignorance.

No, teachers do not strike 100% of the time during confronation. That is silly to say that.

Yup, teachers are concerned about their wallets, just like you and me, but the fact remains that too many teachers, in numbers, are more concerned about the kids' education than are the children's parents.

Facts are facts there Sunshine. Deal with it.
As for the rest of your retort. Try reading the entire post the way it was written. Not in the way you interpret it.

Oy vay....First my posts contained facts that are spun into opinions( your words). Now the posts contain no facts at all.
You are grasping at straws.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You are interviewing for the position of teacher union delegate?

You have a meaningful response?

Yeah..Here it is...Stick to studying mathematics. Political debate is not your forte.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your opinionated posts are not facts. Simple, spoon. Right to the subject.

We will do this all day if you wish and you will continue to look stupid.

You have no facts, sunshine. I wrote to your post, and if you don't like the answer, then look at your post, not my answer, because it was correct.

Facts are facts there Sunshine. Deal with it.
As for the rest of your retort. Try reading the entire post the way it was written. Not in the way you interpret it.

Oy vay....First my posts contained facts that are spun into opinions( your words). Now the posts contain no facts at all.
You are grasping at straws.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And not yours, as you quickly found out.

But . . . you keep trying.

But . . . like Billy Beane facing major league pitching . . . you will never succeed.

You are interviewing for the position of teacher union delegate?

You have a meaningful response?

Yeah..Here it is...Stick to studying mathematics. Political debate is not your forte.