14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

[JakeStarkey]

Uncensored says he has taught in night school at community school. Mebbe so. But that does not make him acceptable as a critic on public education issues.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Uncensored just blew himself up as a critic of anything.

You need to think before you write.

what are your qualifications to teach in any school much less have an informed opinion on what happens in one?

What relevance does the educational instruction credentials of someone you met on the internet have to do with the viability of educational choice in America?

You seem bitterly confused by the subject.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uncensored says he has taught in night school at community school. Mebbe so. But that does not make him acceptable as a critic on public education issues.

You have a hard time keeping simple facts straight.

Of course then, you can't keep it straight that you're a far left demagoguecrat, and not a Republican....

 

[squeeze berry]

Come on, Uncensored, you are the queen of ad hom on the board, second only to your king, Mr. Nick.

I'll keep that in mind, fakey.

gotta love it

Jerky and Cankersore going at it

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uncensored just blew himself up as a critic of anything.

You need to think before you write.

ROFL

Hitting the bottle pretty heavy today, eh fakey?

 

[Uncensored2008]

gotta love it

Jerky and Cankersore going at it

I would have figured you and the fraud for best buds....

 

[squeeze berry]

what are your qualifications to teach in any school much less have an informed opinion on what happens in one?

What relevance does the educational instruction credentials of someone you met on the internet have to do with the viability of educational choice in America?

You seem bitterly confused by the subject.

you seem unable to read and comprehend Blimpo's posts

that's all anyone needs to know.

 

[Uncensored2008]

you seem unable to read and comprehend Blimpo's posts

that's all anyone needs to know.

I understand that you can't defend your position. Opposition to educational choice is indefensible. Those like you, flaccidly spewing nonsense, do so to protect the positions of public employees without regard to the detriment to the students involved.

 

[squeeze berry]

you seem unable to read and comprehend Blimpo's posts

that's all anyone needs to know.

I understand that you can't defend your position. Opposition to educational choice is indefensible. Those like you, flaccidly spewing nonsense, do so to protect the positions of public employees without regard to the detriment to the students involved.

I'm not opposed to educational choice at all and neither is any educator that posts at USMB as far as I know. You just ASSume that since we are public school teachers we are radical left-wing union members. A number of us are right of center republicans.

the difference between us is that we have seen the elephant and recognize it for what it is. We have informed opinions and don't recite G.G. Liddy garbage from rote.

People can send their little angels to private schools as far as I'm concerned. but when they get to private school they are not necessarily getting the best teachers.
What private schools avoid is the far left end of the bell curve students and parents as well as the "element". Private schools have that advantage.


There will always be public schools for one reason or another. I'm a special ed teacher. I'll always be employed. We don't grow on trees.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm not opposed to educational choice at all and neither is any educator that posts at USMB as far as I know.

Son, this thread is an attack on the use of vouchers to provide educational choice in Louisianan schools. Further, your buddy, whom you decided to pinch hit for, was directly attacking educational choice.

You just ASSume that since we are public school teachers we are radical left-wing union members. A number of us are right of center republicans.

No, what I observe is that you fear competition and fight to keep a government supported monopoly. I also agree with you, that you're right to fear. If choice is offered to parents, you will not be the choice.

You're like AT&T in the 80's - once choice was available, they were doomed. Paying $4 a minute to talk to the next state didn't appeal to customers who could pay pennies on the dollar by switching to Sprint or Alltel.

You offer an extremely expensive product of marginal quality. You know it, and you know that the moment people have a choice, the whole thing is over.

the difference between us is that we have seen the elephant and recognize it for what it is. We have informed opinions and don't recite G.G. Liddy garbage from rote.

Liddy?

Is it 1975?

People can send their little angels to private schools as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, as long as they continue to pay for public school as well as private.

It's as if McDonalds proclaimed "We don't mind if people go to Taco Bell, but they have to PAY for a Big Mac along with that burrito."

but when they get to private school they are not necessarily getting the best teachers.

Then they have the option of taking their educational dollars elsewhere.

What private schools avoid is the far left end of the bell curve students and parents as well as the "element". Private schools have that advantage.

The bell curve works from top to bottom, not left to right, hence the name. The concept is that the sample group widens as performance declines, with several dramatic points, ergo a plot in the shape of a bell.

There will always be public schools for one reason or another. I'm a special ed teacher. I'll always be employed. We don't grow on trees.

Then you have nothing to worry about. Oh, and I agree, special ed will probably be the domain of public schools for the foreseeable future.

BTW, what Fakey Jake was bumbling to say is that I do teach. I am a working professional who teaches a 300 level economics class for the largest private University system in the nation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I see you project as much as Uncensored.

Two fools dueling. . .

what are your qualifications to teach in any school much less have an informed opinion on what happens in one?

What relevance does the educational instruction credentials of someone you met on the internet have to do with the viability of educational choice in America?

You seem bitterly confused by the subject.

you seem unable to read and comprehend Blimpo's posts

that's all anyone needs to know.

 

[squeeze berry]

I'm not opposed to educational choice at all and neither is any educator that posts at USMB as far as I know.

Son, this thread is an attack on the use of vouchers to provide educational choice in Louisianan schools. Further, your buddy, whom you decided to pinch hit for, was directly attacking educational choice.

You just ASSume that since we are public school teachers we are radical left-wing union members. A number of us are right of center republicans.

No, what I observe is that you fear competition and fight to keep a government supported monopoly. I also agree with you, that you're right to fear. If choice is offered to parents, you will not be the choice.

You're like AT&T in the 80's - once choice was available, they were doomed. Paying $4 a minute to talk to the next state didn't appeal to customers who could pay pennies on the dollar by switching to Sprint or Alltel.

You offer an extremely expensive product of marginal quality. You know it, and you know that the moment people have a choice, the whole thing is over.



Liddy?

Is it 1975?



Sure, as long as they continue to pay for public school as well as private.

It's as if McDonalds proclaimed "We don't mind if people go to Taco Bell, but they have to PAY for a Big Mac along with that burrito."



Then they have the option of taking their educational dollars elsewhere.

What private schools avoid is the far left end of the bell curve students and parents as well as the "element". Private schools have that advantage.

The bell curve works from top to bottom, not left to right, hence the name. The concept is that the sample group widens as performance declines, with several dramatic points, ergo a plot in the shape of a bell.

There will always be public schools for one reason or another. I'm a special ed teacher. I'll always be employed. We don't grow on trees.

Then you have nothing to worry about. Oh, and I agree, special ed will probably be the domain of public schools for the foreseeable future.

BTW, what Fakey Jake was bumbling to say is that I do teach. I am a working professional who teaches a 300 level economics class for the largest private University system in the nation.

stating that a bell curve works from top to bottom proves that you are at the left side of the bell curve

 

[JakeStarkey]

Strange folks the both of you. Oh, anyone with a brain could teach econ. Teaching spec ed is something else. You might be a dork, otherwise, but hats off to you for that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

How is the temperature on Mars?

Is the equipment functional?

I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess that you collect a government paycheck.....

I taught at one time and I'm flabergasted at all the misinformation out there about what goes on in a classroom on a day to day basis.

if you haven't been there you have no idea...

Oh? Which misinformation is THAT?
In my family there are over 35 years of public education experience. As students and as volunteers.
So don't go thinking that we do not know just because we do not posses a teaching certificate.
Public education fails for two main reasons.
One, lack of parental input/involvement/guidance.
Two, out of touch educrats who are more interested in justifying their sometimes unnecessary paychecks.
Notice how no blame is in my post regarding teachers.
Now, I do have a 100 objection to unionized teachers who claim to be there for the kids but when the taxpayers who have spoken loudly about out of control wages and benefits packages with little additional apparent value, these very same unionized teachers suddenly forget the kids and and protest about how tough it is to make a living. Bullshit.
In most states where teachers have unions and tenure to protect them, it is almost impossible to fire them and even if they are fired, the taxpayers are STILL stuck paying these people for as long as they live.
Now what kind of shit is THAT?
Each year, more states see increasing numbers of school districts with falling percentages of graduating seniors. People are generally results oriented. And people are tired of hearing the "horse to water" analogy excuse from teacher's unions and other teacher's organizations.
Eventually teachers are going to be held to pay for performance. Whether that is fair or not is a question that may never be answered.
I think the teachers must be held accountable for the performance of their students, but not to the point where one size fits all.

 

[squeeze berry]

teachers to be held accountable but not students and parents ^


gotcha

35 years as students and volunteers?

but not one lesson planned or delivered

 

[Uncensored2008]

stating that a bell curve works from top to bottom proves that you are at the left side of the bell curve

In all fairness, I have to post that you are correct and I was wrong on the plot pattern of this chart.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So says demagogue boy.

Your econ class must not be given learner surveys, or you have suppressed or altered them, if you are still teaching.

Uncensored says he has taught in night school at community school. Mebbe so. But that does not make him acceptable as a critic on public education issues.

You have a hard time keeping simple facts straight.

Of course then, you can't keep it straight that you're a far left demagoguecrat, and not a Republican....

 

[Uncensored2008]

So says demagogue boy.

Your econ class must not be given learner surveys, or you have suppressed or altered them, if you are still teaching.

Aren't you supposed to be out stumping for Obama, fakey? Maybe telling lies about Paul Ryan?

 

[thereisnospoon]

teachers to be held accountable but not students and parents ^


gotcha

35 years as students and volunteers?

but not one lesson planned or delivered

Doesn't matter. We are well versed on how the process works. Especially in light of the fact that since we became homeowners 15 years ago, we think it is our job to keep the fire lit under the asses of the school board as well as the administration and faculty of this county's school district. They are spending OUR money.
Based on that fact, yes by all means we demand accountability on the part of the very people who are with our kids and spending our money. We want results. We demand return on our investment.
Oh, I never intended to imply there is no accountability on the part of the parents/guardians and students. Quite the contrary. I have stated in the past and as a matter of fact in this thread that parental involvement in their child's education or lack of it, is a main reason for success or failure.
The " horse to water" excuse used by mainly teacher's union reps and many teachers themselves does not wash any longer. As previously stated, taxpayers are now demanding results. They are tired of having more of their earnings confiscated based on the cries of school boards and administrations with their tired mantra of "if we just had this next budget( tax) increase, we could improve (fill in the blank)...Guess what? It never happens.
Tell me, would you keep pouring your hard earned money into something with little or no return on investment or few positive results?
"We're trying" doesn't cut it any longer. There is no "try". There is only "do".

 

[thereisnospoon]

you seem unable to read and comprehend Blimpo's posts

that's all anyone needs to know.

I understand that you can't defend your position. Opposition to educational choice is indefensible. Those like you, flaccidly spewing nonsense, do so to protect the positions of public employees without regard to the detriment to the students involved.

I'm not opposed to educational choice at all and neither is any educator that posts at USMB as far as I know. You just ASSume that since we are public school teachers we are radical left-wing union members. A number of us are right of center republicans.

the difference between us is that we have seen the elephant and recognize it for what it is. We have informed opinions and don't recite G.G. Liddy garbage from rote.

People can send their little angels to private schools as far as I'm concerned. but when they get to private school they are not necessarily getting the best teachers.
What private schools avoid is the far left end of the bell curve students and parents as well as the "element". Private schools have that advantage.


There will always be public schools for one reason or another. I'm a special ed teacher. I'll always be employed. We don't grow on trees.

Private schools do not "avoid" anything. Those schools have the freedom to accept those students which they believe would meet their standards. And of course who's parents have the means to afford the tuition.
Many private schools offer scholarships to bright and/or talented students who otherwise would not due to financial issues be able to attend.
THe far left end of the bell curve? Please explain.
"Element"...Please clarify in detail.
"Not necessarily getting the best teachers.".....I have heard/read this nonsense before. It comes from teacher's union reps, unionized teachers and pro labor politicians.
The union mantra that has been part of the narrative. That narrative is that only those who are members of unions can provide skilled workers.
92% of US workers say different.