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Where is there evidence of intrinsic racial equality between whites and Negros? I keep asking that question. You keep evading it.
The evidence is that each of your claims stating otherwise is refuted. If you are unable to show an inherent inequality (that takes into account relevant variables) than we are left with the baseline assumption of equality until proven otherwise.

Defining equality is difficult and often subjective.
 
In 2019, law enforcement arrested a total of 6,816,975 people (out of the 329.5 million people who then lived in the U.S.) for serious crimes such as murder, nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, motor vehicle theft, arson, forgery, fraud, embezzlement, vandalism, drug abuse, driving under the influence and disorderly conduct, according to the FBI’s racialized data. That’s umber included 2% of the U.S. population arrested for committing a crime, including violent crimes
There are not 330 million ADULTS in the USA. That number includes babies, infants, toddlers and other children under 18.

Blacks are responsible for well over 50% of crime yet they are about 10% of the population. You can't get around that fact.

And you seem comfortable with your "fact" that TWO out of 100 Americans are arrested EACH YEAR. I'm not. But the truth is that is more like 5 out of 100!

Your manipulated numbers just don't add up.

 
There are not 330 million ADULTS in the USA. That number includes babies, infants, toddlers and other children under 18.

Blacks are responsible for well over 50% of crime yet they are about 10% of the population. You can't get around that fact.

Well over 50% of all crime? Where did you pull that from?

These are the FBI arrest stats for 2019, that is arrests only, not convictions.


For all crimes, Blacks were arrested for 26.6%.

For violent crime (murder, homicide, rape, aggravated assault):

298,939 arrests.
99,669 were Black

That’s 33.34%.


And you seem comfortable with your "fact" that TWO out of 100 Americans are arrested EACH YEAR. I'm not. But the truth is that is more like 5 out of 100!
Nothing to do with “comfortable”, I’m sticking to the facts as presented by the data.


Your manipulated numbers just don't add up.

They are the 2019 data from the FBI of arrests. Nothing to do with manipulated.
 
We need to stop going easy on blacks while making examples of whites.

When those two rednecks killed the black jogger, they televised the trial so all could see that this type of crime by white boys would get the maximum punishment. They even gave a life sentence to the third guy for filming it.

Compare that to the ex-con black thug who had been released on minimal bail for domestic violence a couple days before he went on to mow down 50 whites in a parade, killing eight of them - including a young child. Why wasn’t HIS trial televised? It dropped off the news completely.
The facts expressed by Charles Murray, Professor J. Philippe Rushton, Jared Taylor and others mean that blacks do not deserve affirmative action programs and racial reparations. and raise questions about whether the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty should have been passed into law.
 
The evidence is that each of your claims stating otherwise is refuted. If you are unable to show an inherent inequality (that takes into account relevant variables) than we are left with the baseline assumption of equality until proven otherwise.

Defining equality is difficult and often subjective.
They have been denounced. They have never been refuted, and they are thoroughly documented. The only reason thee is any controversy about them at all is because the discussion of intrinsic average racial differences is coerced.

There is no evidence at all that Negroes on the average are as intelligent as whites or Orientals on the average.
 
What Coyote doesn’t understand is what racism actually is, a failing shared by most liberals.

You can recognize that blacks have a significantly higher violent crime rate and lower IQ on average without being racist. These are just facts.

What IS racist is attributing these negative attributes to blacks on an individual basis. So if a black man were to apply for a job and the hiring manager rejects him - or is unwilling to even interview him - because he assumes he’s going to be a violent criminal or have a lower IQ than white applicants, THAT is what’s racist.

Similarly, rejecting a more academically accomplished Asian student and accepting a less accomplished black student is grouping individuals according to their race - and making a decision based on that, rather than on the individual. That too is racist.
 
What Coyote doesn’t understand is what racism actually is, a failing shared by most liberals.

You can recognize that blacks have a significantly higher violent crime rate and lower IQ on average without being racist. These are just facts.
What Lisa doesn’t understand is that those canards, in and of themselves, are racist. Racism, like it’s twin, anti-semitism, takes individual traits and applies them to an entire group.

Example 1:

When a person takes violent crime rates, and strips away all the other variables looking only at race, and then takes that and applies it as a general characteristic of that group, allowing for some exceptions….is that racist?

When a person ignores the the fact that despite a higher crime rate (going by arrest records) the overwhelming majority of African Americans are not involved in any violent crime, and still applies this as a racial characteristic…is this racist?


Example 2:

When someone makes broad derogatory claims about IQ, and applies it as an average characteristic of a race…ignoring the many issues in assessing IQ (see below)… is that racist?

IQ tests are fallible, the IQ that is measured is heavily influenced by factors such as education, environment, culture, economic level, social advantages and can vary over time or when those factors change. They are one of many useful tools for assessment but not for defining a persons overall intelligence much less that of an entire worldwide population.

IQ tests also have a sordid history of being misused by those promoting a racial heriditarian view of intelligence ( rooted in earlier attempts to races into human and subhuman levels of development).

The influences of hereditarian beliefs and the power of the racial worldview had conditioned Americans to believe that intelligence was inherited and permanent and that no external influences could affect it. Indeed, heredity was thought to determine a person’s or a people’s place in life and success or failure. Americans came to employ IQ tests more than any other nation. A major reason for this was that the tests tended to confirm the expectations of white Americans; on average, Blacks did less well than whites on IQ tests. But the tests also revealed that the disadvantaged people of all races do worse on IQ tests than do the privileged. Such findings were compatible with the beliefs of large numbers of Americans who had come to accept unqualified biological determinism.”

What Lisa does not realize here is that both these examples are, at their core, two of the most despicable racist tropes we have and that continue to be perpetrated today through pseudo-science.

1. The Black Man as a Savage Brute

The brute caricature portrays black men as innately savage, animalistic, destructive, and criminal -- deserving punishment, maybe death. This brute is a fiend, a sociopath, an anti-social menace.

From Brutes to Thugs. The synonymy of Blackness with criminality is not a new phenomenon in America. Documented historical accounts have shown how myths, stereotypes, and racist ideologies led to discriminatory policies and court rulings that fueled racial violence in a post-Reconstruction era and has culminated in the exponential increase of Black male incarceration today. Misconceptions and prejudices manufactured and disseminated through various channels such as the media included references to a “brute” image of Black males. In the 21st century, this negative imagery of Black males has frequently utilized the negative connotation of the terminology “thug.”

2. Subnormal Intelligence (“Morons in Africa”)
This particular racist trope is well described here: Race - Genetics, Anthropology, Socialization

What IS racist is attributing these negative attributes to blacks on an individual basis. So if a black man were to apply for a job and the hiring manager rejects him - or is unwilling to even interview him - because he assumes he’s going to be a violent criminal or have a lower IQ than white applicants, THAT is what’s racist.
BOTH are actually racist.

Attributing derogatory stereotypes to entire race is racist.

Making judgements on an individual based on racist stereotypes of a group is racist.



Similarly, rejecting a more academically accomplished Asian student and accepting a less accomplished black student is grouping individuals according to their race - and making a decision based on that, rather than on the individual. That too is racist.
Depends.

If an applicant is rejected solely because of race, it is racist.

If the criteria for selection is accomplishment measured through test scores, and a higher ranking student is rejected because of race, then that is racist.

But opting to widen the selection process (for example Texas granting admissions to the top percent of each highschool instead of the top percent overall) is not racist.

If the selection process includes a mix of academic qualifications, personal experience reflected in essays, non-academic achievements and a personal interview and a student with lower academic gets admitted over a student with higher academic scores, that is not necessarily racist because you do not know how the other criteria were factored into the decision.
 
What Lisa doesn’t understand is that those canards, in and of themselves, are racist. Racism, like it’s twin, anti-semitism, takes individual traits and applies them to an entire group.

Example 1:

When a person takes violent crime rates, and strips away all the other variables looking only at race, and then takes that and applies it as a general characteristic of that group, allowing for some exceptions….is that racist?

When a person ignores the the fact that despite a higher crime rate (going by arrest records) the overwhelming majority of African Americans are not involved in any violent crime, and still applies this as a racial characteristic…is this racist?


Example 2:

When someone makes broad derogatory claims about IQ, and applies it as an average characteristic of a race…ignoring the many issues in assessing IQ (see below)… is that racist?

IQ tests are fallible, the IQ that is measured is heavily influenced by factors such as education, environment, culture, economic level, social advantages and can vary over time or when those factors change. They are one of many useful tools for assessment but not for defining a persons overall intelligence much less that of an entire worldwide population.

IQ tests also have a sordid history of being misused by those promoting a racial heriditarian view of intelligence ( rooted in earlier attempts to races into human and subhuman levels of development).

The influences of hereditarian beliefs and the power of the racial worldview had conditioned Americans to believe that intelligence was inherited and permanent and that no external influences could affect it. Indeed, heredity was thought to determine a person’s or a people’s place in life and success or failure. Americans came to employ IQ tests more than any other nation. A major reason for this was that the tests tended to confirm the expectations of white Americans; on average, Blacks did less well than whites on IQ tests. But the tests also revealed that the disadvantaged people of all races do worse on IQ tests than do the privileged. Such findings were compatible with the beliefs of large numbers of Americans who had come to accept unqualified biological determinism.”

What Lisa does not realize here is that both these examples are, at their core, two of the most despicable racist tropes we have and that continue to be perpetrated today through pseudo-science.

1. The Black Man as a Savage Brute

The brute caricature portrays black men as innately savage, animalistic, destructive, and criminal -- deserving punishment, maybe death. This brute is a fiend, a sociopath, an anti-social menace.

From Brutes to Thugs. The synonymy of Blackness with criminality is not a new phenomenon in America. Documented historical accounts have shown how myths, stereotypes, and racist ideologies led to discriminatory policies and court rulings that fueled racial violence in a post-Reconstruction era and has culminated in the exponential increase of Black male incarceration today. Misconceptions and prejudices manufactured and disseminated through various channels such as the media included references to a “brute” image of Black males. In the 21st century, this negative imagery of Black males has frequently utilized the negative connotation of the terminology “thug.”

2. Subnormal Intelligence (“Morons in Africa”)
This particular racist trope is well described here: Race - Genetics, Anthropology, Socialization


BOTH are actually racist.

Attributing derogatory stereotypes to entire race is racist.

Making judgements on an individual based on racist stereotypes of a group is racist.




Depends.

If an applicant is rejected solely because of race, it is racist.

If the criteria for selection is accomplishment measured through test scores, and a higher ranking student is rejected because of race, then that is racist.

But opting to widen the selection process (for example Texas granting admissions to the top percent of each highschool instead of the top percent overall) is not racist.

If the selection process includes a mix of academic qualifications, personal experience reflected in essays, non-academic achievements and a personal interview and a student with lower academic gets admitted over a student with higher academic scores, that is not necessarily racist because you do not know how the other criteria were factored into the decision.
It is perfectly legitimate to evaluate a group of people by the average characteristics found in the group, as long as one recognizes that there are individuals in the group for whom the average description does not apply.

There are Negroes who behave and perform as well as most whites. These merit our respect, because they were probably ostracized growing up for acting white. Nevertheless, there are not enough of them to out number the Negroes who are criminals, welfare recipients, and/or academic failures.

For over a century IQ's and IQ differences have been studied scientifically. No method has been found that significantly and permanently raises the intelligence of a person who scores poorly on an IQ test at the age of seven. Research is currently underway to determine IQ by a DNA sample.
 
What Coyote still doesn’t understand is the following (among other things):

1) Saying that Jews are greedy (or whatever other things she said) is a nasty stereotype with no data behind it. It is NOT the same as pointing out that blacks have a violent crime rate 5x that of whites.

2) To the admissions aspect, and Coyote’s statement that considering ONLY race is racist but that a student’s race can be part of consideration and that is not racist….is just wrong. The SCOTUS said so.

3) The decision to “widen the selection” for TJ is racist because their goals were to reduce the number of Asians and increase the number of blacks. A change to admissions with the objective to achieve a certain racial result is racist.

I ask: if a prestigious institution changed their admissions policy to intentionally reduce the number of blacks and increase the number of whites or Asians, you wouldn’t have a problem with that?
 
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What Coyote still doesn’t understand is the following (among other things):

1) Saying that Jews are greedy (or whatever other things she said) is a nasty stereotype with no data behind it. It is NOT the same as pointing out that blacks have a violent crime rate 5x that of whites.

2) To the admissions aspect, and Coyote’s statement that considering ONLY race is racist but that a student’s race can be part of consideration and that is not racist….is just wrong. The SCOTUS said so.

3) The decision to “widen the selection” for TJ is racist because their goals were to reduce the number of Asians and increase the number of blacks. A change to admissions with the objective to achieve a certain racial result is racist.

I ask: if a prestigious institution changed their admissions policy to intentionally reduce the number of blacks and increase the number of whites or Asians, you wouldn’t have a problem with that?
Affirmative action does not create opportunities. It takes them from whites and Orientals and gives them to Negroes. It nearly always takes opportunities from better qualified whites and Orientals, and gives them to less well qualified Negroes.

By every objective, measurable criterion Negroes tend to be less intelligent than whites, and even less intelligent than Orientals. That, rather than white racism, is the reason for the average income gap between whites and Orientals on one hand, and Negroes on the other.
 

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