12 teens beat man in ‘animalistic’ attack outside gas station, Ohio officials say

[Lisa558]

Why was this white felon free to attempt murder police officer? The officers life was saved by a black man. Previously the white criminal had 2 felony convictions & 3 DWI convictions, yet he was free to crash a vehicle, assault officers, rob weapon & attempt to murder officer.

So what’s one example? Proves nothing.

I go by statistics, and the fact remains that blacks are 5x more likely to be violent criminals than whites.

The first step to correcting a problem is to admit there is one, and blacks have a problem with a much higher crime rate than blacks. I attribute it to their high OOW birthrate and poor parenting.

 

[Coyote]

Oh wow! I didn’t see it. I guess it just didn’t get the hype that comes when a white kills a black.

Oh don’t jump to the “you lied” bit. I never saw it, but that also proves how much less was made of it on the media. And nobody else here responding to me, other than you, apparently saw it either.

You are only triggered by Blacks.

 

[Coyote]

No. I am opposed to racism, and making decisions based on race. That is why I am opposed to the liberals in CA proposing the opposite - that black criminals get can lesser sentences than whites due to race

Why aren’t you opposed to a criminal justice system that does make decisions according to race?

Do you agree with the leftists in CA that judges should be able to factor in the criminal’s race in determining the sentence?

It already happens. You’ve never noticed? I don’t agree with it.

What the black criminal did to at the parade was far worse, wouldn’t you agree?

No. I don’t agree. Both were horrible crimes. Why are you trying minimize one of them?

The question is…..WHY did the judge decide to televise that trial?

There are a lot of reasons and it could be as simp,e as this judge routinely does so. You need ask the judge.

 

[Coyote]

So what’s one example? Proves nothing.

I go by statistics, and the fact remains that blacks are 5x more likely to be violent criminals than whites.

The problem with statistics is they are just numbers, and as such can be easily misused (like your IQ obsession).

For example, crime data as raw numbers, says nothing about the person‘s economic status.

Are upper class Blacks more likely to be violent criminals than upper class Whites?

How about the middle class?

The first step to correcting a problem is to admit there is one, and blacks have a problem with a much higher crime rate than blacks. I attribute it to their high OOW birthrate and poor parenting.

Blacks are not some monolithic group, just as Whites aren’t. The first step in correcting a problem is to consider all the factors.

 

[Lisa558]

The problem with statistics is they are just numbers, and as such can be easily misused (like your IQ obsession).

For example, crime data as raw numbers, says nothing about the person‘s economic status.

Are upper class Blacks more likely to be violent criminals than upper class Whites?

How about the middle class?




Blacks are not some monolithic group, just as Whites aren’t. The first step in correcting a problem is to consider all the factors.

Listen, Coyote…..you do that typical nasty leftist thing of yelling “raaaacist!” at me, in one form or another, in dozens of posts over dozens of weeks, and then expect me to keep engaging with you?!

When you are able to discuss topics in a decent way, then I might reconsider responding to you. Perhaps, as a moderator, you can serve as an example to other leftists that the way for discussion and solutions is NOT to first accuse them of a false and horrible thing, and then batter them with questions.

IOW, the first step in solving a problem is to stop calling kind, fair-minded people racist.

 

[Coyote]

Listen, Coyote…..you do that typical nasty leftist thing of yelling “raaaacist!” at me, in one form or another, in dozens of posts over dozens of weeks, and then expect me to keep engaging with you?!

I respond to what you say Lisa. Seriously, until you and now Hector, I had no idea that the old racist canard about Blacks being less intelligent and more violent (as a race) was still alive and running. Not the average backyard racist who is better ignored, but people who try and “validate“ it with pseudo science. That is just as racist as using the n word.

I’m still astonished that someone still uses the IQ canard. And the validity of it had been refuted.

When you are able to discuss topics in a decent way, then I might reconsider responding to you. Perhaps, as a moderator, you can serve as an example to other leftists that the way for discussion and solutions is NOT to first accuse them of a false and horrible thing, and then batter them with questions.

Your high horse is about to tip….be careful.

When you (who claims to treat people as individuals) lump all leftists into some sort demonic evil construct to blame for every evil)…isn’t this a tad hypocritical?

Asking questions is part of discourse.

IOW, the first step in solving a problem is to stop calling kind, fair-minded people racist.

…best I not say anything….

What do you consider racist Lisa? I’m going to start a thread.

 

[themirrorthief]

The civil rights legislation was forced on whites with extensive experience with Negroes by whites with little experience.

A criminal justice system that is effective for whites and Orientals is insufficiently harsh for Negroes. Before the civil rights movement that was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. That is why blacks were often denied Constitutional safeguards, and why they were usually given quite a bit more punishment than whites for committing the same crimes.

notice you use the word were a lot.....get woke and check out todays reality dude

 

[Failzero]

Carry Everywhere ( and have spare mags )

 

[Failzero]

I respond to what you say Lisa. Seriously, until you and now Hector, I had no idea that the old racist canard about Blacks being less intelligent and more violent (as a race) was still alive and running. Not the average backyard racist who is better ignored, but people who try and “validate“ it with pseudo science. That is just as racist as using the n word.

I’m still astonished that someone still uses the IQ canard. And the validity of it had been refuted.



Your high horse is about to tip….be careful.

When you (who claims to treat people as individuals) lump all leftists into some sort demonic evil construct to blame for every evil)…isn’t this a tad hypocritical?

Asking questions is part of discourse.




…best I not say anything….

What do you consider racist Lisa? I’m going to start a thread.

Arabs & Palestinians and American Far Left & Left are Racis Against Practicing Jews and Israel ( The Tiny Jewish State )

 

[Godboy]

We need to stop going easy on blacks while making examples of whites.

When those two rednecks killed the black jogger, they televised the trial so all could see that this type of crime by white boys would get the maximum punishment. They even gave a life sentence to the third guy for filming it.

Compare that to the ex-con black thug who had been released on minimal bail for domestic violence a couple days before he went on to mow down 50 whites in a parade, killing eight of them - including a young child. Why wasn’t HIS trial televised? It dropped off the news completely.

We need to make mob violence a minimum 10 year sentence. Right now its just normal entertainment for teens in the hood. Lock them away in an adult prison and you watch how quickly these incidents stop happening.

 

[Godboy]

Why was this white felon free to attempt murder police officer?

Because dems started throwing cops in prison, so now they hesitate to shoot.

 

[Hector12]

notice you use the word were a lot.....get woke and check out todays reality dude

The reality is that black social pathology has gotten worse since 1963. The better we treat them, the worse many of them behave.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Unless you live in a remote, redneck town, you're going to experience the new and improved "diverse" and "Equitable" America personally soon enough.
And even if you do live in such a place, it's just a matter of time.

We are IN FACT transitioning to a Communist authoritarian state like it or not.
If you live in any of the areas they control, they can get away with ANYTHING and you have no recourse. Their courts are all fixed in their favor now.
They are slowly seizing control of every town, county and city in America and implementing their Socialist pre-Communist agendas very successfully.
Enjoy the price of doing nothing

Trotsky thought he was all in too...

 

[Hector12]

I respond to what you say Lisa. Seriously, until you and now Hector, I had no idea that the old racist canard about Blacks being less intelligent and more violent (as a race) was still alive and running. Not the average backyard racist who is better ignored, but people who try and “validate“ it with pseudo science. That is just as racist as using the n word.

Coyote,
How is this "pseudo science?" How is this data invalid? Where is there evidence, drawn from credible sources of data that the white race and the Negro race are of comparable intelligence and criminal behavior?

The only reason durable racial differences in average performance and behavior are not more widely known is that it can be dangerous to draw attention to them.

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SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: 2003

In recent years the noted pattern of test scores has reflected similar numbers--
Editor, 2005

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)

• American Indian---482/480 (962)
• Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
• African American-----426/431 (857)
• Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)

Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)

• White-----534/529 (1063)
• Other ----513/501 (1014)

Source: www.collegeboard.com

Average ACT Composite Score by Race/Ethnicity, 2003
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• African American ----16.9
• American Indian---18.7
• Caucasian---- 21.7
• Mexican American----18.3
• Asian American---- 21.8
• Hispanic----19.0
• Other ----19.3
• Multiracial-----20.9
• Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
• No Response-----20.1

Source: www.act.org

Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

"Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra.

SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity

SAT and ACT Scores broken down by Race/Ethnicity.

www.blackexcel.org

Crime in the U.S. • 2011 • Crime in the U.S. 2011 • Offenses Known to Law Enforcement

Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races.
Expanded Homicide Data

U.S. Department of JusticeOffi ce of Justice ProgramsBureau of Justice Statistics November 2011

Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008Annual Rates for 2009 and 2010Alexia Cooper and Erica L. Smith, BJS Statisticians
Based on available data from 1980 to 2008— Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per100,000). The off ending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

 

[Hector12]

The problem with statistics is they are just numbers, and as such can be easily misused (like your IQ obsession).

For example, crime data as raw numbers, says nothing about the person‘s economic status.

Are upper class Blacks more likely to be violent criminals than upper class Whites?

How about the middle class?




Blacks are not some monolithic group, just as Whites aren’t. The first step in correcting a problem is to consider all the factors.

How is IQ data manipulated? Where is there credible data that whites and Negroes are of comparable average intelligence?

Jews and Orientals have low crime rates even when they are poor. Even Jesse Jackson knows that his upper middle class black neighborhood is dangerous.

 

[Failzero]

Truth over Facts : Joe Biden

 

[TheParser]

1. This is a very sensitive topic.

2. We should discuss it in a very civil manner.

3. Segregation in the South WAS cruel.

4. I learned, for example, that African Americans on trains were not allowed to look out the window, lest they be accused of "looking down" on passing Caucasians who were walking outside the train.

5. On the other hand, I will never forget reading about two young African American men who ordered Chinese food. When the food deliverer arrived, those two young men killed the food deliverer, took the food, and enjoyed their meal.

6. We all know that there are many nice African American people. One meets them in many different situations.

7. But for some reason, an unusually large percentage of the younger ones are very violent. Before the liberation movements of the 1960s (and before drugs and rap music), most of them were simply not so violent.

8. I can understand why Caucasians in the South just felt that it would be better for the two ethnicities to live separately. Even Senator Biden once said that integrated schools would become a [rain forest].

9. Of course, there is no going back to segregation, either de jure or de facto.

10. I am 86. For you younger folks, I hope that the coming decades will result in a solution to this sad situation.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote,
How is this "pseudo science?" How is this data invalid? Where is there evidence, drawn from credible sources of data that the white race and the Negro race are of comparable intelligence and criminal behavior?

The only reason durable racial differences in average performance and behavior are not more widely known is that it can be dangerous to draw attention to them.




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2006 College & University
Guidance, Scholarships, Money and Info Gateways
(For Students, Parents, College Advisors, Mentors,
and Cultural Groups)
==========================

​

SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: 2003

In recent years the noted pattern of test scores has reflected similar numbers--
Editor, 2005

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)

• American Indian---482/480 (962)
• Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
• African American-----426/431 (857)
• Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)

Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)

• White-----534/529 (1063)
• Other ----513/501 (1014)

Source: www.collegeboard.com

Average ACT Composite Score by Race/Ethnicity, 2003
----------------------------------------------------

• African American ----16.9
• American Indian---18.7
• Caucasian---- 21.7
• Mexican American----18.3
• Asian American---- 21.8
• Hispanic----19.0
• Other ----19.3
• Multiracial-----20.9
• Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
• No Response-----20.1

Source: www.act.org

Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

"Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra.

SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity

SAT and ACT Scores broken down by Race/Ethnicity.

www.blackexcel.org

Crime in the U.S. • 2011 • Crime in the U.S. 2011 • Offenses Known to Law Enforcement

Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races.
Expanded Homicide Data

U.S. Department of JusticeOffi ce of Justice ProgramsBureau of Justice Statistics November 2011

Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008Annual Rates for 2009 and 2010Alexia Cooper and Erica L. Smith, BJS Statisticians
Based on available data from 1980 to 2008— Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per100,000). The off ending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

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You keep regurgitating the same pap that has been debunked so many times. Test scores are not indicative of IQ, far too many factors influence them.

Your reliance on IQ tests to make sweeping assumptions about racial intelligence is pseudo science. IQ is fluid and changeable, influenced by education, environment and economic circumstances more than it is by heredity.

Example: Morons in Africa | History News Network

More recently, a French study summarized by David Kirp in 2006 looked at poor French kids who were adopted between age 4 and 6. Their IQs had been tested in the orphanage and found to be in, shall we say, Herrnstein's "African range": they averaged 77, "nearly retarded." To the researchers, this reflects the abuse and neglect they had suffered as infants, then being "shunted from one foster home or institution to the next" as toddlers. I don't know what Murray would say. Nine years later, after being adopted by farmers and laborers, they averaged 88.5 -- real improvement. If adopted by middle-class families, they averaged 92. And if adopted by upper-class, the children averaged 98, a 21-point gain. Kirp concludes, "that is a huge difference... and it can only be explained by pointing to variations in family circumstances."


As far as criminal behavior, there are many factors influencing it that you CHOOSE to ignore in order to push a racist canard. You also use US statistics to make sweeping world wide claims.

What influences crime? Here is what the FBI states:

It is incumbent upon all data users to become as well educated as possible about how to understand and quantify the nature and extent of crime in the United States and in any of the more than 18,000 jurisdictions represented by law enforcement contributors to the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program. Valid assessments are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various unique conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction.

Historically, the causes and origins of crime have been the subjects of investigation by many disciplines. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place are:

• Population density and degree of urbanization.
• Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration.
• Stability of the population with respect to residents’ mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors.
• Modes of transportation and highway system.
• Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability.
• Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.
• Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness.
• Climate.
• Effective strength of law enforcement agencies.
• Administrative and investigative emphases of law enforcement.
• Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational).
• Citizens’ attitudes toward crime.
• Crime reporting practices of the citizenry.

Here is a simple test. What do crime rates look like when you account for some of these differences?

Do upper class Blacks commit more crime than upper class Whites? How about middle class? Can you answer this?

Then there is the urban issue. Accounting for economic differences, do rural Blacks commit more crimes than rural Whites. Blacks are much more likely to live in urban areas than Whites, and how Do account for that?


The fact that you do not or cannot account for these variables renders your conclusions questionable.

 

[Failzero]

1. This is a very sensitive topic.

2. We should discuss it in a very civil manner.

3. Segregation in the South WAS cruel.

4. I learned, for example, that African Americans on trains were not allowed to look out the window, lest they be accused of "looking down" on passing Caucasians who were walking outside the train.

5. On the other hand, I will never forget reading about two young African American men who ordered Chinese food. When the food deliverer arrived, those two young men killed the food deliverer, took the food, and enjoyed their meal.

6. We all know that there are many nice African American people. One meets them in many different situations.

7. But for some reason, an unusually large percentage of the younger ones are very violent. Before the liberation movements of the 1960s (and before drugs and rap music), most of them were simply not so violent.

8. I can understand why Caucasians in the South just felt that it would be better for the two ethnicities to live separately. Even Senator Biden once said that integrated schools would become a [rain forest].

9. Of course, there is no going back to segregation, either de jure or de facto.

10. I am 86. For you younger folks, I hope that the coming decades will result in a solution to this sad situation.

Segregation was a Democrat thing ( Or if that offends you , a Dixiecrat Thing )

 

[Resnic]

Unless you live in a remote, redneck town, you're going to experience the new and improved "diverse" and "Equitable" America personally soon enough.
And even if you do live in such a place, it's just a matter of time.

We are IN FACT transitioning to a Communist authoritarian state like it or not.
If you live in any of the areas they control, they can get away with ANYTHING and you have no recourse. Their courts are all fixed in their favor now.
They are slowly seizing control of every town, county and city in America and implementing their Socialist pre-Communist agendas very successfully.
Enjoy the price of doing nothing

Your last statement is way too closed ended and circumstantial.

There is nothing I as a individual can do to stop it. I live in a red state, I vote for the right conservative politicians and so on. Not much I can do beyond that.

But the past year I have seen a rise in blacks in my area where once they were the minority. Since blacks started showing up in my area I'm seeing some homeless in a city near me when I saw none the past 47 years. I was approached by a black guy at the hardware store yesterday wanting donations for people in the community with drug addiction and I'd never seen that in 47 years and we never had people with drug problems. See on local Facebook pages people talking about their cars broken into when it never happened much 5 years ago.

This used to be a 3/4 country and 1/4 suburban area with almost all white people. Now that blacks are moving in I'm seeing issues increase and issues we never really had before.

So really, I can't stand around and tell blacks to leave and tell them not to move here. I can't stop them from living here.