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[Hector12]

As long as lefty&libs, falsely propagate that ALL human beings are the same, and that there are no racial/cultural and moral differences amongst humans - this issue will never be solved in a constructive manner.

Purposely and ignorantly denying the FACT, that Africans in general are far more racist, tribal minded/obsessed and behold a very different interpretation towards morals, and are therefore extremely destructive towards their own societies, even within their own countries, then non-Africans - makes these issues even more precarious.

To resort towards defaming those people who point out these facts as being racists, right up to terming them Nazis is the well known Lefty&Lib exercised procedure.
It is therefore futile and a pure wast of time to discuss such matters with Lefty&Libs.

Lefty&Libs have successfully and utterly destroyed previous rich and thriving societies in former Rhodesia and today's South-Africa, right down to e.g. Libya and Syria - whilst propagating their faked version of racial equality and freedom. Just as Africans they also do not refrain from destroying their immediate neighborhood and others livelihood - see Chicago or any other major city they control or are able to manipulate the respective government administrations and undermine the existing Law&Order principles.

A criminal justice system that is effective for whites is insufficiently harsh for Negroes. Before the civil rights movement that was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. That is why, when a black man and a white man committed the same crime, the black men was given much more punishment.

 

[Coyote]

Oye. But I do NOT assign a characteristic to an entire group. If you could be open-minded, without your bias against me, you might see that. I gave a perfect example upthread.

Assigning a characteristic to an entire group would mean thinking each person in that group has it. If a black applied for a job, a racist would think “nope….don’t want him because blacks commit crimes.” You still need to take each individual as an individual.

That doesn’t mean that stating data that blacks, as a group, commit violent crime at 5x the rate as whites is racist. It’s just a fact.

Ok. This is where the issue of statistics can get misleading and also misused.

”Blacks as a group commit violent crime at 5x the rate of Whites”

By itself, that means nothing.

You could have a million Blacks, and 5 commit a violent crime and a million Whites and 1 commits a violent crime.

or

You could have a hundred Blacks, and 5 commit a violent crime and a hundred Whites and 1 commits a violent crime.

The same statistic is true in both cases, but the implications are very different.

The statistic itself is neutral but how it is used or misused is where it can become racist.


Would you agree that Blacks have long had (and continue to have) very ugly dehumanizing stereotypes applied to them, as a group? And that one of those stereotypes is of the Black man as a violent brute?

Given that, how this neutral statistic is used to define a group is what makes it racist.

Here are some statements involving Blacks and crime that have been made here in this thread and elsewhere on USMB. They are applied to Blacks as a group. Would you consider any of these racist? Do any of them play to racist tropes?

• Negroes have always been characterized by high crime rates, Characteristics that enabled their ancestors to thrive in sub Saharan Africa cause many of them to earn felony convictions in civilized countries.

• Stereotypes are based on what is really true. Jews and Orientals are not considered to be stupid, criminal, and sexually irresponsible.

• Blacks fail because of their inadequacies. Human evolution has not prepared most Negroes for the demands of civilization. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy.

Now, to continue, you bring up that Jews commit more white-collar crimes. Let’s assume that is true. Would that be 1 in 10,000 Jews?? It’s still exceedingly rare.

Right there you make my point for me. The vast majority do not commit those crimes, yet the statistic itself remains true.

You can use the same statistic to support two very different arguments.

With blacks, your attempt to say that 98% of them have not committed crimes, that’s just a lie: 28% of black men have been incarcerated at one point in their lives.

I specifically said violent crimes, because those tend to be less ambiguous.

When talking about all crimes and being incarcerated you are dealing with too many mitigating factors involving race, class and inequalities in our justice system that would need it’s own thread.

 

[Coyote]

A criminal justice system that is effective for whites is insufficiently harsh for Negroes. Before the civil rights movement that was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. That is why, when a black man and a white man committed the same crime, the black men was given much more punishment.

Well…this is a good example of a racist statement Lisa558

 

[Coyote]

Purposely and ignorantly denying the FACT, that Africans in general are far more racist, tribal minded/obsessed and behold a very different interpretation towards morals, and are therefore extremely destructive towards their own societies, even within their own countries, then non-Africans - makes these issues even more precarious.

I don’t know what could be more ironic then this given ”non-Africans” were responsible for several centuries of constant bickering warfare culminating in two devastating world wars, one of the largest genocides ever, a couple of atom bomb strikes and an authoritarian regime responsible some 20 million deaths. How civilized.

 

[Hector12]

Well…this is a good example of a racist statement Lisa558

It is a racist statement and a true statement.

 

[Hector12]

I don’t know what could be more ironic then this given ”non-Africans” were responsible for several centuries of constant bickering warfare culminating in two devastating world wars, one of the largest genocides ever, a couple of atom bomb strikes and an authoritarian regime responsible some 20 million deaths. How civilized.

Whites are skilled at war, because skill in warfare requires intelligence.

What bothers me is violent street crimes. These require no intelligence, only brutality.

 

[Coyote]

It is a racist statement and a true statement.

No. It is your opinion. Or are you segueing onto yet another racist canard with this?

 

[Coyote]

Whites are skilled at war, because skill in warfare requires intelligence.

What bothers me is violent street crimes. These require no intelligence, only brutality.

Intelligence is not necessarily a prerequisite for warfare, but it often is for forging real peace.

Most of those drafted into a conflict aren’t any more intelligent than anyone else. They’re bodies at the command of higher ups. And don’t forget warfare over the past few centuries too often entails the equivalent of “violent street crimes” committed on civilians. We see it playing out in Ukraine. This is not unique to any one group, but whites have managed to take to a scale unheard of not once, but twice. WW1 was little more than a butcher Shop. Not intelligence

 

[Hector12]

It is a racist statement and a true statement.

Intelligence is not necessarily a prerequisite for warfare, but it often is for forging real peace.

Most of those drafted into a conflict aren’t any more intelligent than anyone else. They’re bodies at the command of higher ups. And don’t forget warfare over the past few centuries too often entails the equivalent of “violent street crimes” committed on civilians. We see it playing out in Ukraine. This is not unique to any one group, but whites have managed to take to a scale unheard of not once, but twice. WW1 was little more than a butcher Shop. Not intelligence

Intelligence matters for military leaders. Increasingly it matters for enlisted men too, because weapons are becoming increasingly complex. That is why the U.S. military rejects anyone with an IQ below 80.

 

[Coyote]

Intelligence matters for military leaders. Increasingly it matters for enlisted men too, because weapons are becoming increasingly complex. That is why the U.S. military rejects anyone with an IQ below 80.

Not sure how relevant that is given the scale of what has been perpetrated across Europe.

 

[Kruska]

I don’t know what could be more ironic then this given ”non-Africans” were responsible for several centuries of constant bickering warfare culminating in two devastating world wars, one of the largest genocides ever, a couple of atom bomb strikes and an authoritarian regime responsible some 20 million deaths. How civilized.

We are discussing about the behavior of civilians in peacetime and not about military in wartime. And we are discussing about TODAY or about what has been happening in the USA and worldwide since the 1970'ies, and not what happened 80 or 300 years ago - are you related with IM2?

Africans have been killing off each other for centuries and millennia via wars just as well. Due to having missed out on evolution - aka miserably having failed at getting a civilization standard such as e.g. Asians or Europeans - they still relied on spears and knives to massacre each other - see e.g. the conquest of Southern Africa by Zulu and Zulu related tribes in the 17th to 19th century.
If they and other Africans would have possessed Western or Far-Eastern, weapons-technology - half and more of today's Africans wouldn't be alive.

As for genocide - those Jewish people that were murdered, were not from a single Jewish country - but Jewish people living in countries occupied or conquered by the Wehrmacht under Nazi rule - totaling around 12 million out of a total population of around 300 million people. Of which around 6 million were murdered.
That would represent around 2% of the total population. And it took the Nazi apparatus around 5 years to "achieve" that number. How many Germans or other European civilians where actively/physically involved in the murder of these 6 million Jewish people?

The total population of Rwanda in 1994 was around 8 million - it took them (civilians) 100 days to murder off 1.2 million people. That is 15% of the total population in 100 days. !!!! and that does not include the mass-killings of 1959, 1961, 1963, 1967, and 1973 - I will leave it up to you to check onto all the other mass killings of civilians by civilians in Africa - and those killings have nothing to do with war amongst countries - but plain internal tribal/ethnicity motivated genocide amongst Africans themselves in their own countries.

South-Africa has a population of around 60 million and a murder crime rate (homicide 24,900 in 2022) exceeding the number of the USA with 340 million people. In other words, the murder crime rate in SA is 7 times higher then that of the USA. And that is according to SA own "polished" police stats - according to MRC (SA Medical Research Council) the figure is given at 36,700 and Interpol even places the figure at 52,000.

From 1970 - 1991, incl. Namibia - the average homicide rate per annum in SA was 7400, of those around 340 amongst Asians and Whites. Whereby the latter two, constituted around 15% of the total population.

To bring in wars and the two Atom bombs into this discussion/topic - shows only how far off from reality and comprehension towards the actual topic, you factually are, whilst providing the classic example of a Lefty&Lib trying to divert and disown facts that don't fit his agenda.

 

[Kruska]

A criminal justice system that is effective for whites is insufficiently harsh for Negroes. Before the civil rights movement that was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. That is why, when a black man and a white man committed the same crime, the black men was given much more punishment.

That would be unconstitutional and also unnecessary in functioning countries IMO.

The issue lies with Lefty&Libs having dismantled a law & justice system that used to behold a moral, educational and personal responsibility attitude towards ones wrong doings.

Therefore minor delicts, e.g. shoplifting or physical attacks amongst the youth are not hindered, prosecuted and punished. This in turn has emboldened social lowlifes (regardless of race or ethnicity) to take advantage of that situation and to push the boundaries of their antisocial behavior even further - ending with gunning people down - aka why study, work and be decent, if shoplifting, petty crimes and beating up others is so much easier and more fun.

Why respect a teacher, if one can get away with physically attacking or threatening a teacher. Right down to parents that can be sued and made liable for slapping a recalcitrant 8 year old bugger. And foremost African social lowlifes immediately resorting to being victims of racial victimization (see BLM) or (I can't breath) once law and order is applied towards them.

That Africans are % wise far more represented in the violent social lowlifes group then those of other ethnicity is known - therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that crimes, especially serious crimes committed by African outweigh those of others by far. (As any crime statistic will proof).

Therefore to get social lowlifes and an existing society (regardless of race) up to speed - a radical reformation of the law&order and education system is needed.
Something that naturally Lefty&Libs will utterly refuse and obstruct, since they can only thrive in a chaotic society.

 

[Hector12]

That would be unconstitutional and also unnecessary in functioning countries IMO.

That is the way it was from the end of Reconstruction in 1876 to the beginning of the civil rights movement. The Fourteenth Amendment extended citizenship rights to Negroes. The Fifteenth Amendment extended voting rights to Negroes. Southern states choose to ignore these amendments. The Supreme Court choose to let them.

During the Great Depression and the Second World War the United States was 90% white. Most Negroes were effectively restricted to second class citizenship. I doubt that we could have successfully met those challenges otherwise.

Diversity is not our strength. It is the underlying reason for the political polarization that makes it difficult for the government to solve serious problems.

 

[Coyote]

We are discussing about the behavior of civilians in peacetime and not about military in wartime. And we are discussing about TODAY or about what has been happening in the USA and worldwide since the 1970'ies, and not what happened 80 or 300 years ago - are you related with IM2?

Africans have been killing off each other for centuries and millennia via wars just as well. Due to having missed out on evolution - aka miserably having failed at getting a civilization standard such as e.g. Asians or Europeans - they still relied on spears and knives to massacre each other - see e.g. the conquest of Southern Africa by Zulu and Zulu related tribes in the 17th to 19th century.
If they and other Africans would have possessed Western or Far-Eastern, weapons-technology - half and more of today's Africans wouldn't be alive.

As for genocide - those Jewish people that were murdered, were not from a single Jewish country - but Jewish people living in countries occupied or conquered by the Wehrmacht under Nazi rule - totaling around 12 million out of a total population of around 300 million people. Of which around 6 million were murdered.
That would represent around 2% of the total population. And it took the Nazi apparatus around 5 years to "achieve" that number. How many Germans or other European civilians where actively/physically involved in the murder of these 6 million Jewish people?

The total population of Rwanda in 1994 was around 8 million - it took them (civilians) 100 days to murder off 1.2 million people. That is 15% of the total population in 100 days. !!!! and that does not include the mass-killings of 1959, 1961, 1963, 1967, and 1973 - I will leave it up to you to check onto all the other mass killings of civilians by civilians in Africa - and those killings have nothing to do with war amongst countries - but plain internal tribal/ethnicity motivated genocide amongst Africans themselves in their own countries.

South-Africa has a population of around 60 million and a murder crime rate (homicide 24,900 in 2022) exceeding the number of the USA with 340 million people. In other words, the murder crime rate in SA is 7 times higher then that of the USA. And that is according to SA own "polished" police stats - according to MRC (SA Medical Research Council) the figure is given at 36,700 and Interpol even places the figure at 52,000.

From 1970 - 1991, incl. Namibia - the average homicide rate per annum in SA was 7400, of those around 340 amongst Asians and Whites. Whereby the latter two, constituted around 15% of the total population.

To bring in wars and the two Atom bombs into this discussion/topic - shows only how far off from reality and comprehension towards the actual topic, you factually are, whilst providing the classic example of a Lefty&Lib trying to divert and disown facts that don't fit his agenda.

I disagree. The difference between a gang of thugs attacking a person and a rogue country initiating wars or genocide is ultimately a matter of scale. Neither is conducive to a civil society, both reflect a breakdown in our social systems and both reflect the violence and tribalism within our species exclusive of race.

You are also attempting to boil situations down to simply race. That’s a common logical fallacy:

What Are Oversimplification and Exaggeration Fallacies?

Postulating too few causes results in oversimplification; too many causes in exaggeration. These causation fallacies mask the true causes of an event.

www.thoughtco.com

 

[Kruska]

I disagree.

Off course you do, since you can't even differentiate between a persons individual action and motivation - in regards to his social background, education and ethnicity - and a governments action in regards to e.g. national security.

You are also attempting to boil situations down to simply race. That’s a common logical fallacy:

Your faulty accusation is also no surprise - since you can't differentiate between being a social lowlife (independent of race/ethnicity) and the reasons as to why certain ethnicities are stronger represented within social lowlifes then others.

 

[Coyote]

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Off course you do, since you can't even differentiate between a persons individual action and motivation - in regards to his social background, education and ethnicity - and a governments action in regards to e.g. national security.

Most wars are not started over national security. In the end it comes down to tribalism. No one race holds the card there.

Your faulty accusation is also no surprise - since you can't differentiate between being a social lowlife (independent of race/ethnicity) and the reasons as to why certain ethnicities are stronger represented within social lowlifes then others.

Your reasoning is fallacious.

 

[Kruska]

That is the way it was from the end of Reconstruction in 1876 to the beginning of the civil rights movement. The Fourteenth Amendment extended citizenship rights to Negroes. The Fifteenth Amendment extended voting rights to Negroes. Southern states choose to ignore these amendments. The Supreme Court choose to let them.

During the Great Depression and the Second World War the United States was 90% white. Most Negroes were effectively restricted to second class citizenship. I doubt that we could have successfully met those challenges otherwise.

Diversity is not our strength. It is the underlying reason for the political polarization that makes it difficult for the government to solve serious problems.

I know what you mean - but on this part we won't agree.

I am in favor of integration (those of different ethnicity having been invited or residing legally to work and live in my country - therefore contribute to that country)
Therefore I am not in favor of segregation or apartheid. It was SA cardinal mistake to allow millions of illegal migrants to settle there and even allowing them to erect illegal settlements aka townships. - ruled by criminal tribal gangs.
E.g. there was no apartheid in Rhodesia, migrants were evicted aka turned back, and everything was running well (and way better then now) until some communist inspired and lefty&Lib supported gangsters and genocidal-tribal minded terrorists came forcefully to power.

The issue to me is the implementation of a feasible integration policy - that might very well take decades to evolve. And not simply via law's implemented by a respective government to promote a pseudo equality and dis-functioning previous education, law&order principles to promote the interests of minorities that simply lack the basics to integrate meaningful into an existing society, which in vast majority beholds and thrives due to adhering to certain principles.

If however proven principles are neglected or even eradicated (by Lefty&Libs) resulting into a lowlife mentality across the board - e.g. Europeans turning more and more into lowlifes, aka starting to behave in the same manner as those minorities - e.g. verbally or physically attacking a teacher, well then integration becomes part of an automatism, simply due to everyone adopting towards lowlife standards - aka everyone eventually becoming an e.g. African.

Therefore if as happening in Germany right now - a Syrian migrant (no formal education) was granted a stay and work permit two weeks ago - one week later the remaining family (11 people) were also given residential status. All are naturally living of the social welfare and benefits granted by German law (actually meant for Germans who also paid their taxes to enable this).
Now the Media found out that the Syrian fellows wife was 14 when she got married and gave birth to the first child.

As such the majority of Germans now rightfully points out that the German government allowed a pedophile to live and collect social welfare in Germany, whilst imprisoning pedophiles that hold a German passport. Off course lefty&Libs will now fight for "equal rights" amongst pedophiles - meaning not the Syrian gets kicked out - but the age for sexual consent in Germany needs to be dropped.

As such the enemies or factual problem of a State are not it's racial/ethnic minorities, but those people that behold and propagate lefty&Lib garbage.

Thank God my family and me are living in China. Where e.g. Muslim extremists/fundamentalists are being reeducated and therefore reintegrated into a society that consists to 90% of Chinese citizens that adhere and are clearly in favor of existing moral principles.

 

[Kruska]

Most wars are not started over national security. In the end it comes down to tribalism. No one race holds the card there.

In Europe? name me just one - aside from religious motivated wars, that basically refer to national security or deemed as such by the respective ruling government. And again you are wandering off into the past centuries - I am still referring to the timeline 1970 - today.

In the USA? name me just one in the timeline 1970 till today - was there a war of Colorado US residents against Kansas US residents? or a war of Denver US residents against Boulder US residents?, what European-American tribes are you even blabbering about?

Your statements and accusations are becoming more and more insane.