12 Experts on What Might End the War

[Rigby5]

Clearly, the way to end the war, as opposed to merely rescheduling it with a ceasefire, is to remove the cause of the war, and the cause of the war is the Palestinians complete commitment to destroy Israel. The Palestinian cause is the destruction of Israel. There is no evidence they have any ambitions beyond that. This is not going to change, so the closest we can come to peace is to take away their ability to make war against Israel, and that is what Israel is in the process of doing.

In order to maintain this state of near-peace Israel must gain and maintain complete control over Gaza in order to prevent the Palestinians from rearming, but this is a very disagreeable prospect for everyone, so the emigration of the so called Palestinians from Gaza is the only path to long term peace.

Obvious lie.

If the Palestinian natives were the problem, then how come the Palestinian native were the ones who invited the Polish and Russian Zionists in 1920, to come to Palestine?
How come the Polish and Russian Zionists came if they thought there was hostility?

And where is the evidence of native Arab hostility, when all the evidence points to the Zionists as being the only problem.
Like Menachim Begin blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.
If the Zionists wanted peace, then they would be glad the British peacekeepers were there.

You speak of preventing Palestinians from "rearming" and that obviously is a lie because the Palestinians were never armed, and the UN prevented that.
So they were easily slaughtered by Israelis who were illegally armed by the US.

The only legal, moral, ethical, and just solution is the dissolution of Israel.
It clearly is an illegal invasion by Polish and Russian Turkic Europeans who do not even belong anywhere in the Mideast.

 

[Shusha]

Except the Jews are not the native people...

Jews were never native to the Land...

Where are the Jewish people native to?

 

[Rigby5]

Me? Brainwashed? I'm not the one posting photos of Yemeni children and trying to pass them off as Gazan in order to throw blood libels at Jews.

That is foolish since the illegal Israelis blockade make is difficult to even get any news from the genocide attack against the native Palestinians in Gaza.

Israelis have never been legal owners or residents of the Land of Canaan.

 

[rosends]

Israelis have never been legal owners or residents of the Land of Canaan.

were the Ottomans?

 

[Rigby5]

Do you have proof of starvation and/or famine in Gaza for these decades?

Of course everyone has always seen the proof, since there have been flotillas of civilians trying to break the illegal starvation blockade for more than 20 years.

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Six civilian ships of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla were raided by Israel on 31 May 2010 in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea. Nine of the flotilla passengers were killed during the raid, with thirty wounded (including one who later died of his wounds).
...}

 

[Rigby5]

Since this thread is intended to be about solutions, and not history, I'll ignore the many falsehoods in your posts and instead ask this:

In this proposed "solution", what happens to all of the Jewish people currently living in Israel?

Same thing that happens to the 30,000 Jews living currently in Tehran.
Nothing.
There have never been any problems with Jews and Moslems living together.
The problem is only and entirely Israel, that is trying to steal land without paying for it, by murdering the legal owners.

 

[rosends]

Of course everyone has always seen the proof, since there have been flotillas of civilians trying to break the illegal starvation blockade for more than 20 years.

{...
Six civilian ships of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla were raided by Israel on 31 May 2010 in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea. Nine of the flotilla passengers were killed during the raid, with thirty wounded (including one who later died of his wounds).
...}

The claim of a blockade is not proof of starvation.

 

[Shusha]

Of course everyone has always seen the proof, since there have been flotillas of civilians trying to break the illegal starvation blockade for more than 20 years.

So, no. You don't have proof of starvation and/or famine in Gaza. (The fact that some white-saviour useful idiots take virtue-signaling cruises in the Mediterranean posting their precious little selfies does NOT prove starvation or famine.)

 

[Rigby5]

Where are the Jewish people native to?

Since the original Hebrew went to Egypt to escape a drought, and the only known drought in that time period was in the Sinai, that is most likely where the nomadic Hebrew were shepherds.
The Hebrew never constructed anything and left no history, because they were nomadic.

They clearly are not native to the Land of Canaan, or else it would not have been the Land of Canaan, and Joshua would not have invaded and massacred the Canaanites at Jericho.

 

[Shusha]

Same thing that happens to the 30,000 Jews living currently in Tehran.
Nothing.
There have never been any problems with Jews and Moslems living together.
The problem is only and entirely Israel, that is trying to steal land without paying for it, by murdering the legal owners.

Ah. Okay. So you are just calling for a one-state solution with a different government. Equal rights for Jews and Arabs?

 

[Rigby5]

were the Ottomans?

Not really, because the Ottoman Turks never claimed property ownership or interfered with property ownership of the natives.

In contrast, the Zionists are constantly murdering Palestinians in order to steal their homes.
Israel has obviously stolen over 90% of Palestine, forcing 13 million natives to starve on 10% of their own land.

 

[Rigby5]

The claim of a blockade is not proof of starvation.

Of course it is.
An blockade is an illegal war crime.
Its purpose is always starvation.
And clearly Israel has never allowed hardly any food shipments in, or any commercial trade out at all.
There has never been such a flagrant violation of international law in the history of the Geneva Conventions.

 

[Rigby5]

So, no. You don't have proof of starvation and/or famine in Gaza. (The fact that some white-saviour useful idiots take virtue-signaling cruises in the Mediterranean posting their precious little selfies does NOT prove starvation or famine.)

WRONG!
A blockade is not only an illegal war crime but its purpose can always only deliberate starvation.
Not only are very few food supplies allowed in, but no commerce is allowed out that would allow the native to be able to afford food.

The existence of an illegal blockade is obvious proof deliberate intent of starvation.

 

[Rigby5]

Ah. Okay. So you are just calling for a one-state solution with a different government. Equal rights for Jews and Arabs?

I was all prepared to disagree since you seemed aligned with the insane Zionists, but actually I think that a one-state solution with equal rights for all likely would be best at this point.

What needs to end are not just things like the starvation blockade and illegal land confiscations, but native Arabs should not be prevented from using the same hospitals, schools, and roads, like they are now.
It is the Zionists who have to stop their discriminatory segregation.

 

[Rigby5]

There is no razor thin edge here. The so called Palestinians have started five wars in the twenty years since Israel withdrew from Gaza and the only way to prevent them from starting a sixth war is for Israel to take control of Gaza. The Palestinians are not suffering because of anything Ben-Gvir has said but because they consistently refuse to live in peace with Israel. If they choose to leave now it is because they find the conditions they, themselves, have created intolerable, not because of any conspiracy by Israeli politicians to drive them out.

That is a lie.
Israel started every single war.
The starvation blockade is totally illegal and a war crime.
Israel has no jurisdiction on the open international waters on the coast of Palestine.

It is Israel that prevent peace.
The Zionists not only started it by blowing up the British peace keepers in the King David Hotel, but massacred hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin, and forced millions of Palestinian native to flee the violence.
Israel has since then never allowed the RIGHT OF RETURN of these Palestinian natives.
The Geneva Conventions require allowing the right of return, so Israel is the guilty party committing war crimes, by illegally confiscating the homes and properties of these natives that Israel has illegally exiled.

So clearly Israel is the guilty party and has been since its origin in 1948.

 

[Shusha]

WRONG!
A blockade is not only an illegal war crime but its purpose can always only deliberate starvation.
Not only are very few food supplies allowed in, but no commerce is allowed out that would allow the native to be able to afford food.

The existence of an illegal blockade is obvious proof deliberate intent of starvation.

Blockades are legal. Blockades can have other purposes, such as reducing or eliminating weapons imports. Gaza exports agricultural products (valued at $40 million in 2022).

 

[rosends]

Not really, because the Ottoman Turks never claimed property ownership or interfered with property ownership of the natives.

In contrast, the Zionists are constantly murdering Palestinians in order to steal their homes.
Israel has obviously stolen over 90% of Palestine, forcing 13 million natives to starve on 10% of their own land.

so then the Mamluks? Or the Ayyubids? Or the Byzantines? Or the Romans? None of them was a legal owner or resident of the region?

 

[rosends]

Of course it is.
An blockade is an illegal war crime.

are you sure about that?

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https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e252

Its purpose is always starvation.

where are you getting that from? International law doesn't agree with you.

And clearly Israel has never allowed hardly any food shipments in, or any commercial trade out at all.

do you really believe that?

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There has never been such a flagrant violation of international law in the history of the Geneva Conventions.

So you don't consider using human shields to be such a bad thing?

 

[rosends]

native Arabs should not be prevented from using the same hospitals, schools, and roads, like they are now.

they are? Can you show evidence of that?