1000 mile range, 5 minute charge

[westwall]

Form Energy To Build World's Largest Battery Energy Storage System In Maine - CleanTechnica

From Energy has chosen Maine as the site of its first large-scale grid storage installation with a capacity of 85 MW and 8500 MWh.

cleantechnica.com

"There are a lot of new battery technologies out there vying for a piece of the battery storage pie. Originally, traditional NMC battery cells were used to make battery energy storage systems (BESS), but today LFP batteries have become the preferred choice because they cost less and minimize the risk of thermal runaway events, which is the polite way of saying “fires” if you are a public relations professional. But whichever battery technology is used, it can only supply electricity back to the grid for about four hours. Form Energy, headed by former Tesla engineer Matteo Jaramillo, is making batteries that can keep on supplying the grid for up to 100 hours. Now it says it will build an 85 MW/8500 MWh battery storage system on the site of a former paper mill near Bangor, Maine."

But there is a local iron-air manufacturer here in Oregon.

Long-duration Energy Storage | ESS, Inc.

ESS enables the energy transition and accelerates renewables with long-duration energy storage that is safe and sustainable.

essinc.com

"ESS’ American-made solutions are rapidly deployable, available in months instead of years. Iron flow technology delivers unlimited cycling with zero capacity degradation over a 25-year design life."

Once again, Mr. Westwall, you prove to be a fool.

I'm not seeing any innovation here. I'm seeing the same old technology being used.

So olfraud, where is this new technology you've been bleating about for years and years?

 

[westwall]

Here is a site with information on advantages and disadvantages of present Iron-air batteries. As research and development on these batteries is ongoing even as we post, some of this may be dated. Form and ESS seem to be ahead of some of that statements at that site, as they are claiming much better longevity;

Iron-Air Batteries: The Ultimate Guide | Nanopowder and Nanoparticles, Nanomaterial Powders

Iron-air batteries are an emerging technology that is gaining attention for its potential to provide long-duration energy storage with high efficiency and cost-effectiveness.

nanomaterialpowder.com

So, nothing new. Just more flap yap.

Your specialty.

 

[ReinyDays]

By standard and often by LAW, 240v 200amps is the maximum allowed for the home as my link you ignored points out thus those "energy providers" can't do anything about it.

It is clear you are running on fumes here....

Range circuits can be 50 amps at 220 VAC ... and these are common even in older services ... IIRC 6 gauge cable is used to handle the load ... it would be easy to retrofit a new service if your current service is inadequate ... but for the cost, you might as well replace that old 20th Century anachronism with a modern breaker panel ...

Go ahead and run all four burners, the oven and broiler for six hours ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is a site with information on advantages and disadvantages of present Iron-air batteries. As research and development on these batteries is ongoing even as we post, some of this may be dated. Form and ESS seem to be ahead of some of that statements at that site, as they are claiming much better longevity;

Iron-Air Batteries: The Ultimate Guide | Nanopowder and Nanoparticles, Nanomaterial Powders

Iron-air batteries are an emerging technology that is gaining attention for its potential to provide long-duration energy storage with high efficiency and cost-effectiveness.

nanomaterialpowder.com

Thanks for the link.

What is the efficiency?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Most EV's would be charged at night during off-peak usage hours. Time of use limits can be placed as well.

Charged after sunset?

 

[Robert W]

That's a game changer

Elon Musk is marketing aluminum ion battery cars now.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Yappity-yap yap.

Level 1: Chargers that plug into a regular 120-volt home outlet . Charge time: 10-20+ hours . Level 2: 240-volt chargers (like a dryer outlet) can fully charge an empty battery-only EV (BEV) in 4-10 hours

Can I charge an EV using a Dryer Outlet? - EVchargerReviews.net

If the location of the plug is within cable reach of your vehicle, the dryer outlet can be an inexpensive way to deliver Level 2 charging speeds to your EV.

www.evchargerreviews.net

Seems you have no idea what you are talking about.

It seems you are trying to be dishonest here since I am talking about the Aluminum battery with 1000 mile range, and 5 minutes from post one that one would require far more than standard home recharging capabilities to refill it back up.

It seems you are blowing smoke now as you failed to support post #1 as being real as Neither Toyota and Tesla have this battery mentioned on their websites thus you are the fool who fell for the unverified news.

It seems you are not smart enough to understand your failure.....

 

[Woodznutz]

By standard and often by LAW, 240v 200amps is the maximum allowed for the home as my link you ignored points out thus those "energy providers" can't do anything about it.

It is clear you are running on fumes here....

I'm just spitballing here. They'll have to figure something out within those parameters.

 

[Woodznutz]

Charged after sunset?

Using fossil fuel generated electricity. It's not going away.

 

[ReinyDays]

Using fossil fuel generated electricity. It's not going away.

That's wasteful ... we'll always be better off just burning the fossil fuels in our rigs ... the problem is too many rigs ... ride a bike instead, fatso ... help you lose that extra 50 lbs you're carrying around ...

 

[Woodznutz]

That's wasteful ... we'll always be better off just burning the fossil fuels in our rigs ... the problem is too many rigs ... ride a bike instead, fatso ... help you lose that extra 50 lbs you're carrying around ...

I don't think many "rigs" burn natural gas.

The only extra 50 lbs. I carry would be a bag of topsoil.

 

[ReinyDays]

I don't think many "rigs" burn natural gas.

The only extra 50 lbs. I carry would be a bag of topsoil.

Sure they will ... we can run most any paraffin through a gasoline engine ... natural gas, propane is common, there's a lot of heptane in the gas we get at the pump ... a little bit of conversion might be necessary but I see these rigs around ...

It's ethanol that causes grief in engines designed for gasoline ... the work-around is to manufacture engines that run on ethanol, but not fossil fuels, and use unlimited hydro-electricity to convert unlimited sugar cane into unlimited carbon-neutral fuel ... like in Brazil, say ... works great for any non-marine application ...

That snide remark about people's weight was a more general insult ... I'm about 20 lbs over my youthful weight right now, so I don't complain ... I'm no where near as active so I eat considerably less ... and I don't swill that much beer ... but it certainly wouldn't kill me to ride a bike here and there ...

 

[Woodznutz]

Sure they will ... we can run most any paraffin through a gasoline engine ... natural gas, propane is common, there's a lot of heptane in the gas we get at the pump ... a little bit of conversion might be necessary but I see these rigs around ...

It's ethanol that causes grief in engines designed for gasoline ... the work-around is to manufacture engines that run on ethanol, but not fossil fuels, and use unlimited hydro-electricity to convert unlimited sugar cane into unlimited carbon-neutral fuel ... like in Brazil, say ... works great for any non-marine application ...

That snide remark about people's weight was a more general insult ... I'm about 20 lbs over my youthful weight right now, so I don't complain ... I'm no where near as active so I eat considerably less ... and I don't swill that much beer ... but it certainly wouldn't kill me to ride a bike here and there ...

I was 170 out of high school but I could never carry that much weight now. I've been 145 for the past 50 years.

 

[ReinyDays]

I was 170 out of high school but I could never carry that much weight now. I've been 145 for the past 50 years.

135 when I joined ... 165 after boot camp ... 185 now ... "all the bullet and shrapnel wounds I got in Nicaragua is beginning to slow me down" ... [giggle] ...

 

[Woodznutz]

135 when I joined ... 165 after boot camp ... 185 now ... "all the bullet and shrapnel wounds I got in Nicaragua is beginning to slow me down" ... [giggle] ...

The only wounds I got in the Army were intellectual.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Using fossil fuel generated electricity. It's not going away.

Here in Illinois, that means mostly coal and nuclear.
It's enough to make a green idiot stroke out, eh?

 

[Woodznutz]

Here in Illinois, that means mostly coal and nuclear.
It's enough to make a green idiot stroke out, eh?

Talk about extremes, yikes.

 

[Old Rocks]

I'm not seeing any innovation here. I'm seeing the same old technology being used.

So olfraud, where is this new technology you've been bleating about for years and years?

Again, you prove your stupidity. Is it natural or an artifact of age? We have known of the potential of lithium for over fifty years, but only in the last 25 have we developed the tech to take advantage of the potential. Same goes for aluminum, iron-air, and many other battery technologies. As the tech improves in materials engineering, we will see many different battery technologies used where their particular properties best suite the task.

"The first lithium battery was invented in 1970 by M. Stanley Whittingham, a British chemist. This early lithium battery was not particularly practical or efficient, but it laid the groundwork for future developments in lithium battery technology."

 

[Old Rocks]

Talk about extremes, yikes.

The coal will be shut down due to economics, and the nuclear will either be replaced by far cheaper nuclear, or by wind and solar. Economics, not politics.

 

[westwall]

Again, you prove your stupidity. Is it natural or an artifact of age? We have known of the potential of lithium for over fifty years, but only in the last 25 have we developed the tech to take advantage of the potential. Same goes for aluminum, iron-air, and many other battery technologies. As the tech improves in materials engineering, we will see many different battery technologies used where their particular properties best suite the task.

"The first lithium battery was invented in 1970 by M. Stanley Whittingham, a British chemist. This early lithium battery was not particularly practical or efficient, but it laid the groundwork for future developments in lithium battery technology."

How old do you claim to be now? You lie so much, and have so many socks I lose count.

That being said, ok, where is the new battery tech you've been screeching about for over a decade?

Your links go to the same old battery tech being used.