More on the Toyota aluminum battery

[The Duke]

They make great beer can. So they should be good for everything.

I heard aluminum beer cans give men titties.

 

[toobfreak]

I heard aluminum beer cans give men titties.

That is why I drink beer in glass bottles. I like my titties on my jean ads where they belong.

 

[frackapisa]

You might be right, but I'm trained to assume the worst, so, I have to figure that most people will keep their cars charged by recharging long before the "tank is empty" because they never know when they will have another chance or pass another convenient working charging station.

Only California has a fair number of Tesla EV charging stations, many are always famously not working, so what are the odds of finding an aluminum battery charging station? And what about charging at home? How will that be done, what will it cost and how long will that take?

Then there are the brownouts where the city orders you to conserve electricity by not charging your cars.

So that 10,000 charges might only be 5,000 charges and instead of 1000 miles or even 500 miles, they might be every 100 miles, about what most people drive per week. It still looks good on paper, but what will it cost? And the ultimate determinator will be in real world independent testing.

What I really wonder if that if these aluminum batteries are so promising, and aluminum is so cheap and plentiful, why did we waste so much time and money chasing after lithium?

My experience in the R&D field is that it was deliberate, what they call designed obsolescence--- basically, milking the consumer along to maximize the amount of profits made at the user's expense.

This could be a revolutionary technology.
I just hope cuts to university research doesn't prevent independent research into optimizing the technology.

 

[toobfreak]

This could be a revolutionary technology.

I assume it must be.

I just hope cuts to university research doesn't prevent independent research into optimizing the technology.

It'll be fine. University research will go on, they will find new ways of funding it, while independent research will go on unabated.

I just have to laugh how, after pursuing rare, expensive, exotic metals that are difficult to mine for years, they suddenly discover that they can do much better with a common, abundant metal that is all around them.

Science marches on.

 

[ding]

No such thing as a free lunch.

 

[frackapisa]

I assume it must be.


It'll be fine. University research will go on, they will find new ways of funding it, while independent research will go on unabated.

I just have to laugh how, after pursuing rare, expensive, exotic metals that are difficult to mine for years, they suddenly discover that they can do much better with a common, abundant metal that is all around them.

Science marches on.

The advantage of government grant research, which is currently being cut at an astonishing rate, is who owns the patent rights.
Just think about what pharmaceutical companies do with patented medications.

Mylan and Pfizer have conspired to increase EpiPen's price by more than 600% in order to continue to profit from EpiPen prescriptions and prevent other similar products from coming to market and being available to consumers.

Government grant patents are co-owned by the government, so they can't monopolize the technology.

 

[toobfreak]

No such thing as a free lunch.

That simple statement conceals a wealth of wisdom. There are no perfect solutions--- whether in optics, chemistry, electronics or physics, when you gain in one area, it always comes at the expense of giving something else up somewhere else.

 

[toobfreak]

The advantage of government grant research, which is currently being cut at an astonishing rate,

Little is being cut. All that is being done is requiring institutions to hold to actually meeting the terms and conditions necessary to continue qualifying for it. The same terms and conditions which they agreed to when they signed aboard, just that they never actually met those terms and the government previously never bothered to check nor care.

 

[frackapisa]

Little is being cut. All that is being done is requiring institutions to hold to actually meeting the terms and conditions necessary to continue qualifying for it. The same terms and conditions which they agreed to when they signed aboard, just that they never actually met those terms and the government previously never bothered to check nor care.

The loss of an estimated $2.6 billion in federal funding at Harvard has meant that some of the world's most prominent researchers are laying off young researchers.

Is $2.6 billion your definition of "little is being cut"?

 

[toobfreak]

The loss of an estimated $2.6 billion in federal funding at Harvard has meant that some of the world's most prominent researchers are laying off young researchers. Is $2.6 billion your definition of "little is being cut"?

I'll say it one last time:

1. Harvard would be losing nothing if they weren't so damned shitfaced arrogant and obstinate about clamping down on antisemitism on campus and a few other small things you would think they would already willingly be on top of without urging. But they can't see past their own TDS nose to see the bigger picture.
2. Last I heard, Harvard had 50 billion in the bank anyway. Time they start spending some of it instead of my money.
3. I find it hard to be sympathetic to an institution which charges between 200% to 400% (or more) for an education compared to the rest of the world so that a few administration at the top can sit back collecting huge six-figure (7-figure?) incomes.

 

[frackapisa]

I'll say it one last time:

1. Harvard would be losing nothing if they weren't so damned shitfaced arrogant and obstinate about clamping down on antisemitism on campus and a few other small things you would think they would already willingly be on top of without urging. But they can't see past their own TDS nose to see the bigger picture.
2. Last I heard, Harvard had 50 billion in the bank anyway. Time they start spending some of it instead of my money.
3. I find it hard to be sympathetic to an institution which charges between 200% to 400% (or more) for an education compared to the rest of the world so that a few administration at the top can sit back collecting huge six-figure (7-figure?) incomes.

First off Harvard is in no way anti-semetic.
Just ask Harvard professors like Alan Dershowitz
Or Lawrence Summers

Summers became a professor of economics at Harvard University in 1983.
Summers served as the 27th president of Harvard University from 2001 to 2006.

 

[frackapisa]

I'll say it one last time:

1. Harvard would be losing nothing if they weren't so damned shitfaced arrogant and obstinate about clamping down on antisemitism on campus and a few other small things you would think they would already willingly be on top of without urging. But they can't see past their own TDS nose to see the bigger picture.
2. Last I heard, Harvard had 50 billion in the bank anyway. Time they start spending some of it instead of my money.
3. I find it hard to be sympathetic to an institution which charges between 200% to 400% (or more) for an education compared to the rest of the world so that a few administration at the top can sit back collecting huge six-figure (7-figure?) incomes.

And the $50 billion Harvard has in the bank are mostly "targeted " endowments.
The best way to illustrate, the US has $1,047,930,000,000 in the social security bank. But it can't spend that money on national defense.

 

[jc456]

pretty much every house in the USA with 100amp or bigger has aluminum coming into the house,,

so where's your link?

 

[frackapisa]

so where's your link?

Types of Conductors Used in Overhead Power Lines - Peak Demand Inc

A technical article on conductors by the expert at Peak Demand Inc, a global manufacturer of transmission and distribution products.

peakdemand.com

Types of Conductors Used in Overhead Power Lines

Copper was the preferred material for overhead conductors in earlier days, but, aluminum has replaced copper because of the much lower cost and lighter weight of the aluminum conductor compared with a copper conductor of the same resistance.

Aluminum conductors have completely replaced copper conductors in overhead power lines because of their lower cost and lower weight.

 

[toobfreak]

First off Harvard is in no way anti-semetic.
Just ask Harvard professors like Alan Dershowitz

Ahha. You mean the Prof. Dershowitz who used to teach there who has never once been invited back to speak there because he now goes on news programs attacking leftwing policies? And that comes straight out of HIS mouth.

 

[toobfreak]

And the $50 billion Harvard has in the bank are mostly "targeted " endowments.

I guess they better start targeting some of that money to pay for actual research.

 

[frackapisa]

Ahha. You mean the Prof. Dershowitz who used to teach there who has never once been invited back to speak there because he now goes on news programs attacking leftwing policies? And that comes straight out of HIS mouth.

He was appointed as the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law in 1993. Dershowitz retired from teaching at Harvard Law in 2013.

What about when you had a jewish Harvard president.

If they were anti-semetic, that would be akin to the KKK putting Malcolm-X in charge.

 

[toobfreak]

He was appointed as the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law in 1993. Dershowitz retired from teaching at Harvard Law in 2013.
What about when you had a jewish Harvard president.
If they were anti-semetic, that would be akin to the KKK putting Malcolm-X in charge.

Look Ace, I know you have a hard-on for Harvard, but this has nothing to do with aluminum batteries, and you are getting boring.

Harvard is fucked, Harvard will lose, and I can't think of anyone better because they brought it all on themselves. And no, I don't give a rats ass how many Jewish professors they had there 10-20 years ago, I was talking about the Jewish students getting assaulted on campus there a few weeks ago that apparently, they are rife to lift a finger about.

End of story.

Whatever Harvard doesn't research and develop, I'm confident there are 50 other universities out there who will.

 

[frackapisa]

Look Ace, I know you have a hard-on for Harvard, but this has nothing to do with aluminum batteries, and you are getting boring.

Harvard is fucked, Harvard will lose, and I can't think of anyone better because they brought it all on themselves. And no, I don't give a rats ass how many Jewish professors they had there 10-20 years ago, I was talking about the Jewish students getting assaulted on campus there a few weeks ago that apparently, they are rife to lift a finger about.

End of story.

Whatever Harvard doesn't research and develop, I'm confident there are 50 other universities out there who will.

Harvard was just the low hanging fruit example of Trump cutting government grants for research.

If you want cutting edge technology to be used in the public interest, you need public funding of the research.

Otherwise the Aluminum battery could turn into the next epi-pen, with private patents controlling access, and controlling prices.

 

[toobfreak]

Harvard was just the low hanging fruit example of Trump cutting government grants for research.

Harvard was certainly low-hanging.

If you want cutting edge technology to be used in the public interest, you need public funding of the research.
Otherwise the Aluminum battery could turn into the next epi-pen, with private patents controlling access, and controlling prices.

We will just have to take our chances.