10 Yr Old Rape Victim: A Terrible Tale of Illegal Immigration

We can fix that, we just have to convince enough hateful bigots, like you, to stop being so hateful, and the rest can stew in their hate.

They are human beings, they are alive, they should be given legal personhood like every other living human being.

Denying personhood is how you get the worst human rights abuses in history: slavery, genocide, and abortion.

Oh, bullshit, and frankly, it's insulting to the victims of actual genocide to compare abortion to it.

A couple of points I always need to make to anti-abortion fanatics.

1) If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, SHE WILL FIND A WAY TO END HER PREGNANCY. It's her body, and unless you are going to put her under house arrest for nine months, you are pissing up a rope.

2) The main reason I don't take you people seriously about your concern for "THE BABIES" is because you don't give a crap about them after they are born. If the right wing spent money on paid family leave, head start, education, aid to dependent families, school lunches, instead of constantly trying to slash those programs to give tax breaks to billionaires, I might take you all seriously on this issue.

3) Granting personhood status to fetuses/embryos/zygotes has a whole lot of legal implications beyond abortion, most of which mean taking rights away from women. For instance, can you charge a woman with assault for smoking a cigarette during pregnancy, or having a sip of wine at dinner? Can you fire a woman from her job because she is pregnant and her job involves exposure to chemicals that might be harmful to a fetus. Are all the frozen embryos in fertility clinics having their rights violated by not being implanted inside a woman (even if the woman who sanctioned their creation already has the baby they wanted.) Do we start counting fetuses in the Census and allowing families to take them as tax deductions?

But wait, there's more! Do we treat every miscarriage (some 200,000 of them) as a homicide investigation? Just having a OB/GYN sign off on it wouldn't be enough. You guys didn't take an OB/GYN's word for it in the case of a 10 year old who was raped, I don't think you are going to take their word for it on other issues.



You're the one spewing this nonsense that there are "advantages for being white" and your bigoted "anti-racism" is doing an excellent job creating actual systemic racism.

I'm just acknowledging reality.

I know when I am pulled over for a traffic violation, because I am white, that will not be a pretext to search my car.

Because the name on my resume is "Joseph" and not "Jamal", I know that I have a 50% greater change of getting a callback for an interview.

I know when I go into a store, the clerk will not be watching me like I am going to steal something.
 
Oh, bullshit, and frankly, it's insulting to the victims of actual genocide to compare abortion to it.
It's insulting to the victims of abortion to fail to recognize that their slaughter is 1:1 the same. You are targeting them for their age. That is no less arbitrary than targeting for ethnicity or anything else, and this slaughter's death toll dwarfs even the Holocaust.


1) If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, SHE WILL FIND A WAY TO END HER PREGNANCY. It's her body, and unless you are going to put her under house arrest for nine months, you are pissing up a rope.
Well if she finds that way, then she belongs in prison for murder.

Ideally the way she found on the black market was horrifically unsafe and she will never have the opportunity to hurt anyone else.

2) The main reason I don't take you people seriously about your concern for "THE BABIES" is because you don't give a crap about them after they are born.
The main reason your comment is bullshit is that we give exactly the same amount of "crap about them after they are born."

Could you please stop saying dumb things because you happen to be a socialist who is also a pro-abort? Some pro-aborts are capitalists, some capitalists are pro-abort. Your combination is not the only one. Most Republicans are at least moderately capitalist / rightist and moderately pro-life, but there are other people in the world besides cookie cutter Republicans and Democrats.

Republicans / conservatives do not generally believe in the welfare state. The most milquetoast versions of such do not want to EXPAND it, at least.

We conservatives do, in fact, happen to believe in law and order, especially for violent crimes.

And here we are with you telling us that you "don't take us seriously" because we want to ban killing the unborn because we "don't give a crap about the born" when it is already very, very illegal to kill the born.




3) Granting personhood status to fetuses/embryos/zygotes has a whole lot of legal implications beyond abortion
Oh heavens no, let's not update the bureaucracy to protect human rights.

most of which mean taking rights away from women
No. Not at all, not in the least, not in any way, no.

For instance, can you charge a woman with assault for smoking a cigarette during pregnancy, or having a sip of wine at dinner?
There should be legal penalties for forcing your child, born or unborn, to consume harmful materials. If you don't agree, you're kind of awful.

Can you fire a woman from her job because she is pregnant and her job involves exposure to chemicals that might be harmful to a fetus.
I believe in the free market, so my answer to "Can you fire" is always going to be "well, you should be able to, yes," but if you want authoritarian government intervention type laws and regulations... let me put on the essentially-always-fictional hat of benevolent authoritarian for a moment: then she should be put on leave from that job or given alternative tasks so as not to hurt the kid.

Again, if you don't agree, and I don't mean about the economic part at the moment, just the part about not giving kids harmful chemical exposures when possible, you're kind of awful.


Are all the frozen embryos in fertility clinics having their rights violated by not being implanted inside a woman
YES. The way IVF is conducted now is horrifically immoral and should be illegal.

They each deserve a chance at implantation, if that fails, then they have a natural death.


Do we start counting fetuses in the Census and allowing families to take them as tax deductions?
More bureaucratic appeals to the status quo. I don't care. End the IRS, end the income tax, and thus end all "tax deductions" and solve the problem for everyone forever.

But wait, there's more! Do we treat every miscarriage (some 200,000 of them) as a homicide investigation?
Do we treat every death as a homicide investigation now? No, we don't. Same thing. If foul play is suspected, then yes.

I'm just acknowledging reality.
No, you're not. You're indulging in "progressive" "intersectional feminist" "anti-racist" delusion, which is regressive, sexist, and racist.
 
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That's the point. I'm successful because I didn't sign away half my earnings to a gold-digger to please an imaginary sky man.

I can think of few greater failures in life than to deny God, and to deny one's self the benefit of a good marriage. There is no amount of financial success that can come anywhere close to making up for that.

In any event, I cannot even begin to grasp your insane view of marriage as a financial burden, or as a wife as nothing better than a “gold digger”. What successes I have, in every possible aspect of my life, I owe greatly to the support of my wife..
 
It's insulting to the victims of abortion to fail to recognize that their slaughter is 1:1 the same. You are targeting them for their age. That is no less arbitrary than targeting for ethnicity or anything else, and this slaughter's death toll dwarfs even the Holocaust.

Well, no, completely different because a fetus isn't viable, and can't live outside of it's host for even a few seconds.

Well if she finds that way, then she belongs in prison for murder.

Ideally the way she found on the black market was horrifically unsafe and she will never have the opportunity to hurt anyone else.

Uh, wow. The misogyny of the anti-abortionists...

You should look up Abortion in the Philippines... they have the kinds of laws you want and they are failing miserably.

Could you please stop saying dumb things because you happen to be a socialist who is also a pro-abort? Some pro-aborts are capitalists, some capitalists are pro-abort. Your combination is not the only one. Most Republicans are at least moderately capitalist / rightist and moderately pro-life, but there are other people in the world besides cookie cutter Republicans and Democrats.

Republicans / conservatives do not generally believe in the welfare state. The most milquetoast versions of such do not want to EXPAND it, at least.

As a practical matter, you can't call for the creation of thousands of additional babies and then NOT make provisions to take care of them. This isn't a socialist or capitalist thing, and frankly, I really don't want to pay the 18 years or more these kids will be on the dole. I'm not sure why you do, but I doubt you give it that much thought. Proving you aren't "pro-life" in so much as you are "Pro-birth".


There should be legal penalties for forcing your child, born or unborn, to consume harmful materials. If you don't agree, you're kind of awful.

WHy just children (Not that fetuses are children). You kind of make my point for me. ONce you'd declared the fetus to be a person, you've given it more rights than the person it is inside. If you are going to say that cigarettes and alcohol are legal for people to use, then you've made a woman a second class citizen by penalizing her.

I believe in the free market, so my answer to "Can you fire" is always going to be "well, you should be able to, yes," but if you want authoritarian government intervention type laws and regulations... let me put on the essentially-always-fictional hat of benevolent authoritarian for a moment: then she should be put on leave from that job or given alternative tasks so as not to hurt the kid.

Again, if you don't agree, and I don't mean about the economic part at the moment, just the part about not giving kids harmful chemical exposures when possible, you're kind of awful.

Whenever a right winger talks about "Freedom", it's usually the "Freedom" of the rich to abuse the rest of us. No, you should NOT be able to fire a person because they are pregnant. That's absurd.

YES. The way IVF is conducted now is horrifically immoral and should be illegal.

They each deserve a chance at implantation, if that fails, then they have a natural death.

Uh, guy, you really can't do IVF any other way. You have to create dozens of embryoes at a time.

More bureaucratic appeals to the status quo. I don't care. End the IRS, end the income tax, and thus end all "tax deductions" and solve the problem for everyone forever.

yes, screw over working families!!! And we can fund the government by magic wishful thinking.

Um, how are you going to stop abortions without a government to arrest people? Asking for a friend.

Do we treat every death as a homicide investigation now? No, we don't. Same thing. If foul play is suspected, then yes.

Okay, let's look at that. How would they know that miscarriage wasn't an abortion, without doing a physical exam of the fetal remains and the woman? That's a bit different than your 70 year old Uncle Mike who keeled over and died in front of the whole family. But even then, they do an autopsy. Are we going to send every fetus to the morgue to check it?

No, you're not. You're indulging in "progressive" "intersectional feminist" "anti-racist" delusion, which is regressive, sexist, and racist.

Wow, did you throw in all the scary words that Talk Radio told you to be afraid of?

I can think of few greater failures in life than to deny God,
There is no God, Mormon Bob.

There are a whole shitloads of Gods you don't believe in. You don't believe in Krishna or Allah or Zeus or Odin or Amaterasu...

I just believe in one less than you do.
 
Then you haven't met some of the women I met when I was in the service... the ones who just completely screwed their husband five minutes after they got their citizenship.
Knew a guy that committed suicide in Iraq because his wife left him.
 
I saw everything from senior NCO's who got completely taken to the cleaner in divorces to young enlisted men I've had to counsel because their wives were cheating on them back home.

Marriage and military life just don't mix.
We have drifted way off the topic

This is about 3 hispanic illegal aliens who were fucking each other and making babies
 
We have drifted way off the topic

This is about 3 hispanic illegal aliens who were fucking each other and making babies

Nope. This is about religious fanatics forcing a child to have her rapist's baby.

That you want to dehumanize the people involved by bringing up their race or immigration status is kind of contemptable.
 
Well, no, completely different because a fetus isn't viable, and can't live outside of it's host for even a few seconds.
Mothers are not "hosts." That is exceedingly dehumanizing and hateful language.

The unborn are living human beings.

They don't need to have lungs full of surfactant yet - which determines "viability" - for that to be true.

Uh, wow. The misogyny of the anti-abortionists...
Where? Fun fact, I don't like men OR women who attack and kill innocent human beings. They need to go to prison and stay there.


As a practical matter, you can't call for the creation of thousands of additional babies and then NOT make provisions to take care of them. This isn't a socialist or capitalist thing..
False. You want social welfare for the born, and you want the unborn to just be subhuman and killed on a whim. You are the one with a double standard.

I don't want social welfare programs for anyone. Same standard across the board.

I want murder laws to apply to any premeditated and aggressive homicide of all living human beings. Same standard across the board.

This is why your talking point about "pro-birth" is pure unmitigated nonsense. We want it to be illegal to kill them - it is already very illegal to kill the born outside of self-defense, and this is not self-defense, this is an attack.


ONce you'd declared the fetus to be a person, you've given it more rights than the person it is inside.
No. Not at all.

If you are going to say that cigarettes and alcohol are legal for people to use, then you've made a woman a second class citizen by penalizing her.
Yeah, you can consume them. You just can't force them on your kid.

That isn't "second class" just because if pregnant, you biologically can't consume them without assaulting your kid. The same standard for everyone is not "second class." If anyone else were to force someone else to consume something harmful, they would deserve charges too.




Whenever a right winger talks about "Freedom", it's usually the "Freedom" of the rich to abuse the rest of us. No, you should NOT be able to fire a person because they are pregnant. That's absurd.
No, companies SHOULD be able to fire anyone for almost any reason - your association with your employer is voluntary and occurs because both parties believe to be mutually beneficial. The exceptions I suppose would be if firing you is a breach of contract

Uh, guy, you really can't do IVF any other way. You have to create dozens of embryoes at a time.
Two moral and just options:
1) reform the methodology
2) ban the practice

yes, screw over working families!
By supporting repealing the stupidity of the 16th amendment and getting rid of the IRS, I would be "screwing over families?"

Y'ok. Not sure how that mental gymnastics routine works, but if it does work, that would be an Olympian feat, gold medal contender.


But even then, they do an autopsy.
They don't, actually, always do an autopsy.
 
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I saw everything from senior NCO's who got completely taken to the cleaner in divorces to young enlisted men I've had to counsel because their wives were cheating on them back home.

Marriage and military life just don't mix.
I agree for the most part. If the relationship is mature enough then it's a non issue but that requires an older demographic in most cases. Younger enlisted or officers need to avoid it. It's a tough occupation.
 
Mothers are not "hosts." That is exceedingly dehumanizing and hateful language.

The unborn are living human beings.

They don't need to have lungs full of surfactant yet - which determines "viability" - for that to be true.

Of course they are hosts... The fetus cannot survive without attaching itself to the woman, and the woman has to accept health changes because of that pregnancy--- which is fine if you are into that sort of thing, but some women aren't. They just want to have sex.

Where? Fun fact, I don't like men OR women who attack and kill innocent human beings. They need to go to prison and stay there.

Fun fact, even when abortion was illegal, people never went to jail for having them and rarely went to jail for performing them.

False. You want social welfare for the born, and you want the unborn to just be subhuman and killed on a whim. You are the one with a double standard.

Well, no, born people actually exist, legally. The unborn do not.

I want murder laws to apply to any premeditated and aggressive homicide of all living human beings. Same standard across the board.

Except that we don't give the same sentence to a domestic homicide that we give to a serial killer. Across the board is silly. We have to consider all facts. And treating the removal of a kidney bean sized fetus as being the same as shooting a stranger in cold blood is... crazy.

This is why your talking point about "pro-birth" is pure unmitigated nonsense. We want it to be illegal to kill them - it is already very illegal to kill the born outside of self-defense, and this is not self-defense, this is an attack.

eah, you can consume them. You just can't force them on your kid.

That isn't "second class" just because if pregnant, you biologically can't consume them without assaulting your kid. The same standard for everyone is not "second class." If anyone else were to force someone else to consume something harmful, they would deserve charges too.

Why stop there. We should COMPLETELY regulate and control the diets of pregnant women to make sure they are giving their fetuses best possible care, because the fetus has more rights than they do.. And we should give them all nice dresses so they can easily be identified...

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All I wanted was a damned Cheeseburger!!!!

No, companies SHOULD be able to fire anyone for almost any reason - your association with your employer is voluntary and occurs because both parties believe to be mutually beneficial. The exceptions I suppose would be if firing you is a breach of contract

Wow, Conservatism is a form of Stockholm syndrome. No, workers should have rights and protections. I mean, why stop there. Should a boss be able to fire his secretary for not giving him head? Grovel, peasants!!!

Two moral and just options:
1) reform the methodology
2) ban the practice

3) Mind your own fucking business.



By supporting repealing the stupidity of the 16th amendment and getting rid of the IRS, I would be "screwing over families?"

Y'ok. Not sure how that mental gymnastics routine works, but if it does work, that would be an Olympian feat, gold medal contender.

Let's look at that.. I know you guys have fantasies about making government smaller, but get real. Republicans run up spending worse than Democrats. White people hate welfare, but they want their social security check. We all hate government, except the parts that benefit us.

The alternative to an income tax would be a Value Added Tax, and that would screw over young families far worse than our current system does.

Again, you aren't pro-life or pro-family, you are pro-birth.
 
Except it wasn't. This girl had to go to Indiana because the doctors in Ohio wouldn't perform the procedure.
Where or why the illegal alien girl got her abortion is NOT the topic of this thread
 
So you are upset we are talking about your misogyny rather than pandering to your racism?
Those are empty words

This thread is about the immigration status of of the two illegal alien pregnant females and the illegal alien male who got them pregnant
 
Nope, it's about a bunch of racists trying to justify an inhumane policy by saying that their immigration status makes them less than human.
I see you are determined to have the last words even though those words are a lie
 

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