0th anniversary of VJ Day: Thank the atomic bomb for saving millions of lives

[Unkotare]

Civilians specifically targeted and slaughtered for revenge against a decimated military opponent?

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[Unkotare]

And saying "we had no choice" is specious. It is a means of avoiding the central moral issue. We had several choices.

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[RetiredGySgt]

The Japanese Government had NO intention of surrendering even after 2 Atomic Bombs the Army which ran the Government attempted a Coup to stop the Emperor from surrendering.

Look poop boy disagreeing with another historical fact.

 

[Unkotare]

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies....

Some brain dead children are STILL soaking up almost 80 year old propaganda that was intended for domestic consumption in Japan during the war. Dumbass.

 

[Unkotare]

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

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[Unkotare]

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

More cultural and historical ignorance on display.

 

[Unkotare]

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

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[Unkotare]

More than you ever will in your life, chump. And if you ever studied any actual Japanese history, you'd find this 'never-ever surrender' thing is an ideal (as it is in the West) rather than a universal reality.

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[Unkotare]

Okinawans decry discrimination by mainland Japanese - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun


Being Okinawan in Japan The Diaspora Experience The Asia-Pacific Journal

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[M14 Shooter]

Look poop boy disagreeing with another historical fact.

Trolls do that.

 

[Unkotare]

It was, of course, fiction. Japan was starving and defeated. It was a matter of time.

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[Unkotare]

It would be pretty hard for "millions" of people to die charging beaches with bamboo. I know that simple minds like to cling to simple notions because they are easy to use like the big crayons, but the fact is that the Japanese population was starving and disillusioned well before Aug. 6. The military was trying to use propaganda to bolster flagging support for an obviously failed war effort. That propaganda from 70 years ago still seems to be working on Barnumites like you.

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[Mushroom]

Some brain dead children are STILL soaking up almost 80 year old propaganda that was intended for domestic consumption in Japan during the war.

The mass suicides of civilians at Saipan who thought throwing their entire families off of cliffs then themselves rather than surrender.

Did that never happen?

 

[Mushroom]

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

And you repeat this yet again.

There were no "mass suicides" on Okinawa like on Saipan. The vast majority were killed by the Japanese soldiers to prevent them from surrendering or being captured.

Culturally, Okinawa is not "Japanese", the Ryukyu had their own culture, and was much more heavily influenced by China than Japan. The soldiers knew that, so "assisted" them in doing their duty.

So not sure what they were "lied to" about. There were no large numbers of civilians taking part in the battle, or killing themselves as that was simply not part of their culture. If you want to see what "Cultural Japanese" would do in an invasion, look no farther than Saipan. That island was given to Japan at the end of WWI, and the German colonists that had been there were expelled and 30,000 colonists moved there from Japan. And the suicides there were just a taste of what would have happened if the mainland itself had been invaded.

And you really think that a nation that does things like that would just up and surrender, without a single soldier setting foot on their home islands?

 

[Mushroom]

It would be pretty hard for "millions" of people to die charging beaches with bamboo.

Which of course they would never do. You obviously have absolutely no idea how the Japanese fought, do you?

Such things as "Bonsai Charges" were only done at the end of a battle, not at the start. Their preferred tactics were to wait inland when at all possible, hidden in bunkers and caves and wait for the invaders to pass them by. Then to attack from the rear when least expected. Other than a few cases where it was simply impossible to fight anywhere other than the beaches (Tarawa), they would hide and let the invaders move inland, then use terrain and the lengthened supply lines and breaks in communication to their advantage.

They were also known to set up elaborate ambushes. One of which was the Goettge Patrol. Where the Marines got word that a unit of Japanese wanted to surrender. However, it was a trap and the platoon was ambushed by at least a Battalion of Japanese troops. The entire platoon was wiped out other than 4 survivors who escaped, their bodies mutilated (some while they were still alive).

Wow, you know as little about how the Japanese fought as you do anything else.

 

[AZrailwhale]

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The Japanese military junta running the country disagreed with you,

 

[Mushroom]

And you repeat this yet again.

There were no "mass suicides" on Okinawa like on Saipan. The vast majority were killed by the Japanese soldiers to prevent them from surrendering or being captured.

Culturally, Okinawa is not "Japanese", the Ryukyu had their own culture, and was much more heavily influenced by China than Japan. The soldiers knew that, so "assisted" them in doing their duty.

So not sure what they were "lied to" about. There were no large numbers of civilians taking part in the battle, or killing themselves as that was simply not part of their culture. If you want to see what "Cultural Japanese" would do in an invasion, look no farther than Saipan. That island was given to Japan at the end of WWI, and the German colonists that had been there were expelled and 30,000 colonists moved there from Japan. And the suicides there were just a taste of what would have happened if the mainland itself had been invaded.

And you really think that a nation that does things like that would just up and surrender, without a single soldier setting foot on their home islands?

Once again, a dislike from Poop Head.

Tell me, what about anything I said was wrong? Just saying you dislike without being able to refute anything is basically you admitting that you do not like facts.

Kind of like the fact that your name literally means "poop head".

 

[Unkotare]

Civilians specifically targeted and slaughtered for revenge against a decimated military opponent?

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[Unkotare]

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

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[Jarlaxle]

Both were functioning military bases both had shipyards that were busy building kamikaze mini subs, boats and other weapons. Yamato was built in Hiroshima and Musashi was built in Nagasaki

Nagasaki was also the site of the largest torpedo factory in Japan.

And the actual number was over 20,000. So that means it was over 10%.

Notice, he can not actually refute any of the actual facts. So he just repeats himself and spam posts meaningless quotes over and over again.

He has essentially devolved into a human spambot.