Your 2012 Prez. election/candidates thread....

[JakeStarkey]

Romney's problems: health insurance legislation; abortion; Mormon.

He will finesse the health care issue: arguing that (1) health care costs are slowing, (2) reform some of the parts ~ he will have a majority of Americans with him.

He will land squarely in the centrist majority: Americans as a whole approve of nationally regulated and restrictive abortion. The only way it could be used against him in the national campaign would require join action by the small minorites that believe either all abortion is wrong or abortion on demand is right.

Romney, a Mormon, running against Palin, a far right conservative Christian, out polls her by 22%.

The issue is not at all if he can win the election (he has a good chance) but if he can win the nomination (that is problematic).

 

[Jon]

......I'm sorry but I just CAN'T see myself backing Romney cuz:

-He has no credibility when it comes to repealing Obamacare, which will be one of our biggest assets in 2012, and he's real fishy on this issue from his Governorship.

-He's wishy washy on abortion, a LIFE OR DEATH area where there is ABSOLUTELY no compromise against the genocidal "choicers"

-He's Mormon and I'm sorry but that just turns me off and freaks me out as I believe it'll play a factor with him if he does get the nomination.

For Prez. and not counting Perry, I can SEE myself possibly backing:
Johnson, Christie, and I'll try thinking of some others.

I'm glad most voters aren't as daft as you. Your fringe issues are a waste of political discussion. We have more important things to worry about than abortion or in what way our President prays. Do America a favor and stay home on election day. If Sarah Palin wins the nomination, I WILL be voting for Obama. And that's saying a lot, because I hate that man.

 

[jillian]

Palin's negatives are mostly from folks who stick their fingers in ears and refuse to listen.

I think Reagan's negatives were worse in January of 1980.

no. palin's negatives are the majority of people in the country.... she could win a primary because the rightwingnut loons love her

but the tweeting twit isn't going to get anywhere in the general election if she can't do a credible interview.

personally, i think anyone who says there are "pro america parts of the country" should be laughed out of town.

i don't think you know what reagan's numbers were in january of 1980, but i'd be happy to see them

i DO know they were about where obama's are now at about the same point in his presidency.

the problem is that the right keeps going for stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right has had its own way in the party for far too long. History is marching on, and the far right is increasingly out of step and smaller in importance. They can dominate some state elections and primaries, but their influence is decreasing.

 

[rightwinger]

The far right has had its own way in the party for far too long. History is marching on, and the far right is increasingly out of step and smaller in importance. They can dominate some state elections and primaries, but their influence is decreasing.

The far right benefits from the current red state/blue state distribution with small bible thumping states having disproportionate power.

 

[Missourian]

The far right has had its own way in the party for far too long. History is marching on, and the far right is increasingly out of step and smaller in importance. They can dominate some state elections and primaries, but their influence is decreasing.

The far right benefits from the current red state/blue state distribution with small bible thumping states having disproportionate power.

Which small states are those?

I'm looking at the red/blue map and the small states are all blue.

 

[Missourian]

Romney - too wishy washy

Palin - Quitter

Chistie - too new, not seasoned enough

Johnson - unknown, legalized drugs unpalatable for most

Perry - loose cannon

Gingrich - my favorite, but too much baggage

Jeb Bush - no more Bush's, or Clinton's.

Pawlenty - "T-Pawl"...need I say more? Other than that, I'll put him in Possible.

Jindal - Possible

Huckabee - Probable


I'm hoping someone else throws their hat in the ring, 'cuz I'm not the least bit excited about any of these candidates.

It will be McCain 2010 all over again, I'll hold my nose and vote for one of the possibles against Obama.

 

[Sallow]

I'd love to see Sarah run and treasonous secessionist Perry frog marched to jail.

But..only half of that is going to happen.

 

[Jon]

Romney - too wishy washy

While this may be true on some issues, he is firm where we need it most: the economy. This country needs an executive to lead it.

My only beef with Romney is that he is in deep with the 1%, but what politician isn't? We need someone who will be willing to make tough decisions, such as raising taxes for all Americans, the rich and the poor. We need someone who will cut spending on useless programs that we can't afford right now. Unfortunately, Romney isn't that guy, but none of the candidates from either party are. Romney is just the most likely to focus on the bottom line. He will look at the federal budget as if it were the budget for a company.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

......I'm sorry but I just CAN'T see myself backing Romney cuz:

-He has no credibility when it comes to repealing Obamacare, which will be one of our biggest assets in 2012, and he's real fishy on this issue from his Governorship.

-He's wishy washy on abortion, a LIFE OR DEATH area where there is ABSOLUTELY no compromise against the genocidal "choicers"

-He's Mormon and I'm sorry but that just turns me off and freaks me out as I believe it'll play a factor with him if he does get the nomination.For Prez. and not counting Perry, I can SEE myself possibly backing:
Johnson, Christie, and I'll try thinking of some others.

One might assume you're a Christian based on your stance on Abortion and a Nazi based on you're stance on Mormons.

Every fetus has a right to be born, but none of them have a right to be President if they're born Mormon. Interesting view point.

Anyway, this Social Conservative tripe is just so much baloney. If a guy is a Conservative, then all of the Social area of argument, either Liberal or Conservative, is States Rights after you get past the broad strokes.

There can be an understanding among people of good will that certain ideas are good and others are bad, but when considering the National policies on anything, the powers taken by the Feds should be limited to those of economics, trade, defense and those issues of personal freedoms specifically addressed in the Constitution and its Amendments.

Regarding those understandings, we see that when a state like Arizona developes a law and tests it in the courts, other states can refine it, adopt it or forget it. Right now, reducing expenditures is the main goal of whomever is the Chief Executive.

Everything else needs to be subordintated to that one goal.

Closely following that is a strongly enforced set of priniples to calm down the business jitters and encourage growth of the private sector to grow jobs.

Filtering candidates according to which words they use to pray to whatever diety they have created for themselves seems to me like a poor way to determine which guy knows how to create a good business climate.

The only thing we know for certain is that the current boob is an idiot in this regard and he needs to get gone as quickly as is practical.

Of course he has the RIGHT to be Prez, never said he didn't. Yes Ima Christian, and his religion disturbing me does not a Nazi make, neither does my support for Israel or state's rights.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course he has the RIGHT to be Prez, never said he didn't. Yes Ima Christian, and his religion disturbing me does not a Nazi make, neither does my support for Israel or state's rights.

You are no more a Nazi than BHO is a national socialist. You are a right of center social democrat while is a left of center social democrat. You do need to understand the definitions.,

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

I'd love to see Sarah run and treasonous secessionist Perry frog marched to jail.

But..only half of that is going to happen.

 

[code1211]

The far right has had its own way in the party for far too long. History is marching on, and the far right is increasingly out of step and smaller in importance. They can dominate some state elections and primaries, but their influence is decreasing.

The TEA Party foks really could have gone to either party except for Pelosi and the other leftist loons.

Since they went to the Republicans, they should be calling the tune for the rest of the party. "It's the economy, Stupid" is back, but the Republicans have made that a part of their brand.

As long as the Republican Party elites don't get too concerned about losing the contol of the party, they will find themselves in the positions of power for some to come. ANY referance at all to fiscal responsibility will only call up the spectre of Pelosi and Reid and the Dems will have only the tried and true "Trust Me" to fall back on.

However, the Reps need to show some backbone and that is something that they have not been in the business of doing.

 

[kyzr]

Is the TEA Party over? Or is it just gaining steam for 2012? We'll see how the GOP and Obama cut-up their winnings over the next 2-years, IMHO whichever party shows the most progress on cutting wasteful spending will win in 2012. Obama has way too many issues to back-track on, UHC, Cap+Tax, the Department of Jihad, etc. If the GOP doesn't whore too much for Wall Street they may have an easy time in 2012, with any candidate they put up. (its Romney's turn, but who knows)

 

[ElephantMcDonk]

InTrade has the odds of Obama winning at 56%. I may put my money where my mouth is there. That number is way too low. At this point, based on all knowable factors, Obama is close to a guarantee to win in 2012. I'd say it's well over 70%.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

InTrade has the odds of Obama winning at 56%. I may put my money where my mouth is there. That number is way too low. At this point, based on all knowable factors, Obama is close to a guarantee to win in 2012. I'd say it's well over 70%.

And this why, AGAIN, you people are 20% of the population/electorate TOPS.

Obama is arguably the most hated 1st term Prez. in history, racism, white guilt, and general ignorance won't win him another term, and our commercials for 2012 are already writing themselves.

He's already dipped to 39% approval. Took GWB well into his second term before general public ignorance did that to him, he's also more popular than Obama is right now.

But I welcome your complacency, it'll make this already increasingly easy lookin Prez. cycle even easier....

 

[JakeStarkey]

InTrade has the odds of Obama winning at 56%. I may put my money where my mouth is there. That number is way too low. At this point, based on all knowable factors, Obama is close to a guarantee to win in 2012. I'd say it's well over 70%.

And this why, AGAIN, you people are 20% of the population/electorate TOPS.

Obama is arguably the most hated 1st term Prez. in history, racism, white guilt, and general ignorance won't win him another term, and our commercials for 2012 are already writing themselves.

He's already dipped to 39% approval. Took GWB well into his second term before general public ignorance did that to him, he's also more popular than Obama is right now.

But I welcome your complacency, it'll make this already increasingly easy lookin Prez. cycle even easier....

Your numbers are off and the far right is no larger in % than the far left. Neither groups represent mainstream America. Either the GOP captures the center again, as BHO did last time, or BHO remains in office.

 

[ElephantMcDonk]

Palin needs to do exactly what she's doing. She's good at it. She makes things happen. A windmill don't make a good paddle. Let her do what she's good at and she will continue to be good at it.

Two years is a long time away, but Perry may not have the national legs to keep moving. Another Texas Governor this soon would be a draw back for him no matter how right for the job he might be.

Mitch Danials is a wiz kid. This guy has more smarts in his morning dump than the Big 0 has in his newest postion of today's newest, geatest in history, hyperbolic whatever it is. Sadly, Danials is Bob Newhart to the Big 0's Usher.

Christy is a fire brand. Can a Big Fat Guy, who admittedly doesn't sweat much for a fat guy, win the Presidency? Maybe he can get the weight loss vote and that would include about 98% of the country.

All of the re-treads moderating FOX shows are past their prime.

Pawlenty and Jindahl both look funny. When I look at Pence, I see Arian Supremacy.

The two Republican Congressmen who are both Fiscal Hawks that look alike are my favorites and I can't for the life of me think of their names. I think one is from Wisconsin. Both are very smart and very intense. One of them tore the Big 0 in half during a budget discussion.

Two things are sure: The whole country is pissed off and politicans love to spend my money to buy your vote. I'm looking forward to seeing how this all plays out. It should be a good fight.

Astute! Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan are the two you are not remembering. Thanks, excellent appraisal of potential nominees. I like Daniels, but he's only, what, five feet seven or eight?

Thanks! As the saying goes, I'm indebted to my memory for my jests and my imagination for my facts. I can sing the words of every Beatles song ever recorded and forget the name of the guy I'm Shaking hands with.

I'd love to see either of these guys debate the Big 0 on the economy. It'd be like the Ali-Patterson fight.

Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan have no charisma. Zero. Paul Ryan is impressive. Eric Cantor is a programmable robot.

Christie won't run.

Palin has zero chance.

So you're only viable option from your list is Daniels who has a long hill to climb with his lack of charisma and non-household name.

 

[kyzr]

Astute! Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan are the two you are not remembering. Thanks, excellent appraisal of potential nominees. I like Daniels, but he's only, what, five feet seven or eight?

Thanks! As the saying goes, I'm indebted to my memory for my jests and my imagination for my facts. I can sing the words of every Beatles song ever recorded and forget the name of the guy I'm Shaking hands with.

I'd love to see either of these guys debate the Big 0 on the economy. It'd be like the Ali-Patterson fight.

Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan have no charisma. Zero. Paul Ryan is impressive. Eric Cantor is a programmable robot. Christie won't run. Palin has zero chance.

So you're only viable option from your list is Daniels who has a long hill to climb with his lack of charisma and non-household name.

The leading candidate is Romney. After him its Christie. IMHO Christie need to make a token run in 2012 to get into the GOP mix. Romney is a shoo-in in 2012, and Christie is a can-do rock-star waiting his turn.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Thanks! As the saying goes, I'm indebted to my memory for my jests and my imagination for my facts. I can sing the words of every Beatles song ever recorded and forget the name of the guy I'm Shaking hands with.

I'd love to see either of these guys debate the Big 0 on the economy. It'd be like the Ali-Patterson fight.

Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan have no charisma. Zero. Paul Ryan is impressive. Eric Cantor is a programmable robot. Christie won't run. Palin has zero chance.

So you're only viable option from your list is Daniels who has a long hill to climb with his lack of charisma and non-household name.

The leading candidate is Romney. After him its Christie. IMHO Christie need to make a token run in 2012 to get into the GOP mix. Romney is a shoo-in in 2012, and Christie is a can-do rock-star waiting his turn.

I mostly agree.....but Romney seriously needs to shore himself up on some big positions like health care, abortion, etc. before I can actually be comfortable supporting/voting for em.