You go back in time and become a delegate at the Constitutional Convention

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    The concept 'big government' is your god.
     
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    So you have nothing as pertaining to the invisible superbeing that leftists worship. Got it. Now shut the fuck up, you fucking zipperhead.
     
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    You've been schooled, and reacted exactly the way a Liberal would be expected to.
     
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    Big government isn't an actual god. Do you need me to explain to you what this thread is about?
     
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    I don’t. Do you really think a store owner who posts such a sign, will be successful? If so, you need to evaluate your thinking.

    I have NEVER seen such a sign, and I have been around awhile.
     
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    Ben Franklin was a very smart man. Yet he had to know the natural inclination of a politician, is criminality. I suspect he knew our system wouldn’t work due to this huge flaw.
     
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    There is just as much possibility for abiogenesis as there is for creation.

    I would think that to give abiogenesis some credibility, scientists would at least have to create the kind of conditions they think produced life and create a living cell, but they cannot.

    Again, the mystery of where matter came from and life came from are two unexplainable problems science faces and there is no evidence as to how these two phenomenon occurred.

     
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    This is perhaps the greatest commentary on the Constitution ever given by Franklin

    I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men indeed as well as most sects in Religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error. Steele a Protestant in a Dedication tells the Pope, that the only difference between our Churches in their opinions of the certainty of their doctrines is, the Church of Rome is infallible and the Church of England is never in the wrong. But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain french lady, who in a dispute with her sister, said "I don't know how it happens, Sister but I meet with no body but myself, that's always in the right — Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison."

    In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded like those of the Builders of Babel; and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. I have never whispered a syllable of them abroad. Within these walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the objections he has had to it, and endeavor to gain partizans in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary effects & great advantages resulting naturally in our favor among foreign Nations as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent unanimity. Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and securing happiness to the people, depends, on opinion, on the general opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as of the wisdom and integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having it well administred.

    On the whole, Sir, I can not help expressing a wish that every member of the Convention who may still have objections to it, would with me, on this occasion doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument.

    Franklin correctly surmised that the key to individual freedom was individual morality.
     
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    There is no possibility for creation, it simply hasn't been proven at all. With abiogenesis, scientists are at least looking and will likely eventually get it to happen in a lab. We can't yet do fusion either, but that doesn't mean that that isn't how the sun works.
     

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