You go back in time and become a delegate at the Constitutional Convention

[Taz]

I didn't say you can't have religion, but religion shouldn't be allowed to dictate anything to us, like creation "science". Or possibly turning over Roe vs Wade for religious reasons. ...

I think the Constitution says pretty much what you just did.

The Constitution is giving people the authority to openly hate gays by claiming religious freedom.

So now I can’t have the freedom to hate?

Not sure, gip, if your post was tongue-in-cheek, but the truth is that opinions, even ones called 'hate' by the Leftists, is a right to think what you will....

We on the Right endorse same, and don't believe in thought crime.

How sick is it to see the Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, endorse punishment for thinking other than what they endorse.

Not tongue in cheek. Freedom is freedom. If one wants to hate, so be it. The poster seems to think hate should be outlawed. That is not freedom. That is mind control Orwellian BS. It is the foundation of political correctness.

If one acts on their hate and harms others, then the law should punish them.

You just said that you didn't want to live in a society where stores had signs like "we don't serve fags". Make up your mind.

 

[Taz]

Not what I said, I used the word "superhuman", as in an invisible superbeing in another dimension.

So your main beef is belief in a super natural being?

So tell us, who has enslaved men over the centuries? Who has created war after war?

Is it this super natural being whom you hate so much?

IF God exists, did we not come into this world free, that is, unless man takes our freedom from us?

"So tell us, who has enslaved men over the centuries? Who has created war after war?" Religion, i.e, Crusades, Jihad, attacking abortion doctors...

Not Stalin, Mao, Chavez?

Man will use whatever tool available to him to subdue and conquer people. Religion is but one of many tools.

To use religion as a statist tool, man once convinced us that he was God, but then when that no longer worked, man convinced us that he spoke for God, but when that no longer worked, man claimed that God did not exist, making himself a god and the ultimate authority.

In all these scenarios, the statist has the ultimate authority.

Nothing has held a grip over humans as long as as tightly as religion. What you're trying to say is that other things have been bad, so why not let religion rule also? You're a scapegoater.

Perhaps you're too stupid to recognize Leftism as a religion....the one you've subscribed to.

A revealing comparison of the two religions…the Judeo-Christian basis of Western Civilization, and the new one, Leftism.

“Leftism’s guiding principles — notwithstanding the principles of those Christians and Jews who claim to be religious yet hold leftist views — are the antitheses of Judaism and Christianity’s guiding principles.


Judaism and Christianity hold that people are not basically good. Leftism holds that people are basically good. Therefore, Judaism and Christianity believe evil comes from human nature, and leftism believes evil comes from capitalism, religion, the nation-state (i.e. nationalism), corporations, the patriarchy and virtually every other traditional value.



Judaism and Christianity hold that utopia on Earth is impossible — it will only come in God’s good time as a Messianic age or in the afterlife. Leftism holds that utopia is to be created here on Earth — and as soon as possible. That is why leftists find America so contemptible. They do not compare it to other nations but to a utopian ideal — a society with no inequality, no racism, no differences between the sexes (indeed, no sexes) and no greed in which everything important is obtained free.


Judaism and Christianity believe God and the Bible are to instruct us on how to live a good life and how the heart is the last place to look for moral guidance. Leftists have contempt for anyone who is guided by the Bible and its God, and substitute the heart and feelings for divine instruction.


There may be a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam, but the biggest clash of civilizations is between the West and the left.”
Explaining the Left, Part III: Leftism as Secular Religion - The Dennis Prager Show

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

 

[Taz]

I would make sure that we have freedom FROM religion.

We do.

No, we are one nation under god, and our money says in god we trust. And every Prez puts his hand on a bible to be sworn in...

How does that hurt you? If we are free then they are free to honor a religion or not. That's why it's called freedom OF religion.

So then if Muslims have freedom of religion, you should be allowing sharia law into the US. So the facts are that we don't have freedom of religion anyways. And imho, we should have freedom FROM sharia law.

 

[miketx]

I would make sure that we have freedom FROM religion.

We do.

No, we are one nation under god, and our money says in god we trust. And every Prez puts his hand on a bible to be sworn in...

How does that hurt you? If we are free then they are free to honor a religion or not. That's why it's called freedom OF religion.

So then if Muslims have freedom of religion, you should be allowing sharia law into the US. So the facts are that we don't have freedom of religion anyways. And imho, we should have freedom FROM sharia law.

Nice try, but you loose. Now you gone off on a tangent like most libnuts. We already have laws in this country. Now I have wasted enough time with your America hating hide.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So your main beef is belief in a super natural being?

So tell us, who has enslaved men over the centuries? Who has created war after war?

Is it this super natural being whom you hate so much?

IF God exists, did we not come into this world free, that is, unless man takes our freedom from us?

"So tell us, who has enslaved men over the centuries? Who has created war after war?" Religion, i.e, Crusades, Jihad, attacking abortion doctors...

Not Stalin, Mao, Chavez?

Man will use whatever tool available to him to subdue and conquer people. Religion is but one of many tools.

To use religion as a statist tool, man once convinced us that he was God, but then when that no longer worked, man convinced us that he spoke for God, but when that no longer worked, man claimed that God did not exist, making himself a god and the ultimate authority.

In all these scenarios, the statist has the ultimate authority.

Nothing has held a grip over humans as long as as tightly as religion. What you're trying to say is that other things have been bad, so why not let religion rule also? You're a scapegoater.

Perhaps you're too stupid to recognize Leftism as a religion....the one you've subscribed to.

A revealing comparison of the two religions…the Judeo-Christian basis of Western Civilization, and the new one, Leftism.

“Leftism’s guiding principles — notwithstanding the principles of those Christians and Jews who claim to be religious yet hold leftist views — are the antitheses of Judaism and Christianity’s guiding principles.


Judaism and Christianity hold that people are not basically good. Leftism holds that people are basically good. Therefore, Judaism and Christianity believe evil comes from human nature, and leftism believes evil comes from capitalism, religion, the nation-state (i.e. nationalism), corporations, the patriarchy and virtually every other traditional value.



Judaism and Christianity hold that utopia on Earth is impossible — it will only come in God’s good time as a Messianic age or in the afterlife. Leftism holds that utopia is to be created here on Earth — and as soon as possible. That is why leftists find America so contemptible. They do not compare it to other nations but to a utopian ideal — a society with no inequality, no racism, no differences between the sexes (indeed, no sexes) and no greed in which everything important is obtained free.


Judaism and Christianity believe God and the Bible are to instruct us on how to live a good life and how the heart is the last place to look for moral guidance. Leftists have contempt for anyone who is guided by the Bible and its God, and substitute the heart and feelings for divine instruction.


There may be a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam, but the biggest clash of civilizations is between the West and the left.”
Explaining the Left, Part III: Leftism as Secular Religion - The Dennis Prager Show

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

Must I teach you everything??????


Have you ever read a book, or questioned the orthodoxy????



The abandonment of religion was the ‘gift’ of The Enlightenment, and of the French Revolution.

The Enlightenment gave the view that through science and reason, man could make himself replace God. People seem to have missed the greatest difference: science can tell us what we can do, but not what we should do.

And, people seem not to have noticed that the reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

Three days after the completion of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, the mob stormed the Bastille, and marched around with the head of the prison’s commander, Marquis de Launay, on a pike. Shortly, the greatest nation in continental Europe became a human abattoir.


France’s revolution-by-mob has become an inspiration to be imitated in Germany, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, in short, for liberals everywhere.

The characteristics of the French Revolution that most clearly identify it as Liberal are that it was spontaneous, impulsive, passionate, emotional, romantic, utopian, resentful, angry, dreamy- anything and everything except disciplined and reasoned and stable.
See Coulter, “Demonic”


And Western Civilization was changed forever.

 

[Pilot1]

It probably wouldn’t matter how it is written. Politicians being criminals can always find a way around any law.

Dishonest Abe did yet many Americans think him our greatest POTUS, though he clearly was a traitor, solely responsible for the deaths of 850k Americans, and destruction of half the nation.

The courts have destroyed the Constitution, and Abe destroyed state's rights. So yes, the words don't matter when dishonest politicians do things, and dishonest lawyers, and judges "interpret".

 

[Taz]

I would make sure that we have freedom FROM religion.

We do.

No, we are one nation under god, and our money says in god we trust. And every Prez puts his hand on a bible to be sworn in...

How does that hurt you? If we are free then they are free to honor a religion or not. That's why it's called freedom OF religion.

So then if Muslims have freedom of religion, you should be allowing sharia law into the US. So the facts are that we don't have freedom of religion anyways. And imho, we should have freedom FROM sharia law.

Nice try, but you loose. Now you gone off on a tangent like most libnuts. We already have laws in this country. Now I have wasted enough time with your America hating hide.

When you have no proper comeback, resort to the personal attack, that makes you look so intelligent.

Freedom of religion = sharia law in the US.

 

[miketx]

It probably wouldn’t matter how it is written. Politicians being criminals can always find a way around any law.

Dishonest Abe did yet many Americans think him our greatest POTUS, though he clearly was a traitor, solely responsible for the deaths of 850k Americans, and destruction of half the nation.

The courts have destroyed the Constitution, and Abe destroyed state's rights. So yes, the words don't matter when dishonest politicians do things, and dishonest lawyers, and judges "interpret".

And this is one of the things Trump is attacking and trying to fix.

 

[Taz]

"So tell us, who has enslaved men over the centuries? Who has created war after war?" Religion, i.e, Crusades, Jihad, attacking abortion doctors...

Not Stalin, Mao, Chavez?

Man will use whatever tool available to him to subdue and conquer people. Religion is but one of many tools.

To use religion as a statist tool, man once convinced us that he was God, but then when that no longer worked, man convinced us that he spoke for God, but when that no longer worked, man claimed that God did not exist, making himself a god and the ultimate authority.

In all these scenarios, the statist has the ultimate authority.

Nothing has held a grip over humans as long as as tightly as religion. What you're trying to say is that other things have been bad, so why not let religion rule also? You're a scapegoater.

Perhaps you're too stupid to recognize Leftism as a religion....the one you've subscribed to.

A revealing comparison of the two religions…the Judeo-Christian basis of Western Civilization, and the new one, Leftism.

“Leftism’s guiding principles — notwithstanding the principles of those Christians and Jews who claim to be religious yet hold leftist views — are the antitheses of Judaism and Christianity’s guiding principles.


Judaism and Christianity hold that people are not basically good. Leftism holds that people are basically good. Therefore, Judaism and Christianity believe evil comes from human nature, and leftism believes evil comes from capitalism, religion, the nation-state (i.e. nationalism), corporations, the patriarchy and virtually every other traditional value.



Judaism and Christianity hold that utopia on Earth is impossible — it will only come in God’s good time as a Messianic age or in the afterlife. Leftism holds that utopia is to be created here on Earth — and as soon as possible. That is why leftists find America so contemptible. They do not compare it to other nations but to a utopian ideal — a society with no inequality, no racism, no differences between the sexes (indeed, no sexes) and no greed in which everything important is obtained free.


Judaism and Christianity believe God and the Bible are to instruct us on how to live a good life and how the heart is the last place to look for moral guidance. Leftists have contempt for anyone who is guided by the Bible and its God, and substitute the heart and feelings for divine instruction.


There may be a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam, but the biggest clash of civilizations is between the West and the left.”
Explaining the Left, Part III: Leftism as Secular Religion - The Dennis Prager Show

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

Must I teach you everything??????


Have you ever read a book, or questioned the orthodoxy????



The abandonment of religion was the ‘gift’ of The Enlightenment, and of the French Revolution.

The Enlightenment gave the view that through science and reason, man could make himself replace God. People seem to have missed the greatest difference: science can tell us what we can do, but not what we should do.

And, people seem not to have noticed that the reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

Three days after the completion of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, the mob stormed the Bastille, and marched around with the head of the prison’s commander, Marquis de Launay, on a pike. Shortly, the greatest nation in continental Europe became a human abattoir.


France’s revolution-by-mob has become an inspiration to be imitated in Germany, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, in short, for liberals everywhere.

The characteristics of the French Revolution that most clearly identify it as Liberal are that it was spontaneous, impulsive, passionate, emotional, romantic, utopian, resentful, angry, dreamy- anything and everything except disciplined and reasoned and stable.
See Coulter, “Demonic”


And Western Civilization was changed forever.

If leftists don't worship an invisible superbeing in another dimension, then it's not a real religion as we are talking about here.

 

[Taz]

It probably wouldn’t matter how it is written. Politicians being criminals can always find a way around any law.

Dishonest Abe did yet many Americans think him our greatest POTUS, though he clearly was a traitor, solely responsible for the deaths of 850k Americans, and destruction of half the nation.

The courts have destroyed the Constitution, and Abe destroyed state's rights. So yes, the words don't matter when dishonest politicians do things, and dishonest lawyers, and judges "interpret".

And this is one of the things Trump is attacking and trying to fix.

Trump is going to fix dishonesty in government?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not Stalin, Mao, Chavez?

Man will use whatever tool available to him to subdue and conquer people. Religion is but one of many tools.

To use religion as a statist tool, man once convinced us that he was God, but then when that no longer worked, man convinced us that he spoke for God, but when that no longer worked, man claimed that God did not exist, making himself a god and the ultimate authority.

In all these scenarios, the statist has the ultimate authority.

Nothing has held a grip over humans as long as as tightly as religion. What you're trying to say is that other things have been bad, so why not let religion rule also? You're a scapegoater.

Perhaps you're too stupid to recognize Leftism as a religion....the one you've subscribed to.

A revealing comparison of the two religions…the Judeo-Christian basis of Western Civilization, and the new one, Leftism.

“Leftism’s guiding principles — notwithstanding the principles of those Christians and Jews who claim to be religious yet hold leftist views — are the antitheses of Judaism and Christianity’s guiding principles.


Judaism and Christianity hold that people are not basically good. Leftism holds that people are basically good. Therefore, Judaism and Christianity believe evil comes from human nature, and leftism believes evil comes from capitalism, religion, the nation-state (i.e. nationalism), corporations, the patriarchy and virtually every other traditional value.



Judaism and Christianity hold that utopia on Earth is impossible — it will only come in God’s good time as a Messianic age or in the afterlife. Leftism holds that utopia is to be created here on Earth — and as soon as possible. That is why leftists find America so contemptible. They do not compare it to other nations but to a utopian ideal — a society with no inequality, no racism, no differences between the sexes (indeed, no sexes) and no greed in which everything important is obtained free.


Judaism and Christianity believe God and the Bible are to instruct us on how to live a good life and how the heart is the last place to look for moral guidance. Leftists have contempt for anyone who is guided by the Bible and its God, and substitute the heart and feelings for divine instruction.


There may be a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam, but the biggest clash of civilizations is between the West and the left.”
Explaining the Left, Part III: Leftism as Secular Religion - The Dennis Prager Show

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

Must I teach you everything??????


Have you ever read a book, or questioned the orthodoxy????



The abandonment of religion was the ‘gift’ of The Enlightenment, and of the French Revolution.

The Enlightenment gave the view that through science and reason, man could make himself replace God. People seem to have missed the greatest difference: science can tell us what we can do, but not what we should do.

And, people seem not to have noticed that the reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

Three days after the completion of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, the mob stormed the Bastille, and marched around with the head of the prison’s commander, Marquis de Launay, on a pike. Shortly, the greatest nation in continental Europe became a human abattoir.


France’s revolution-by-mob has become an inspiration to be imitated in Germany, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, in short, for liberals everywhere.

The characteristics of the French Revolution that most clearly identify it as Liberal are that it was spontaneous, impulsive, passionate, emotional, romantic, utopian, resentful, angry, dreamy- anything and everything except disciplined and reasoned and stable.
See Coulter, “Demonic”


And Western Civilization was changed forever.

If leftists don't worship an invisible superbeing in another dimension, then it's not a real religion as we are talking about here.

The concept 'big government' is your god.

 

[fncceo]

Guarantee of Happiness

 

[Taz]

Nothing has held a grip over humans as long as as tightly as religion. What you're trying to say is that other things have been bad, so why not let religion rule also? You're a scapegoater.

Perhaps you're too stupid to recognize Leftism as a religion....the one you've subscribed to.

A revealing comparison of the two religions…the Judeo-Christian basis of Western Civilization, and the new one, Leftism.

“Leftism’s guiding principles — notwithstanding the principles of those Christians and Jews who claim to be religious yet hold leftist views — are the antitheses of Judaism and Christianity’s guiding principles.


Judaism and Christianity hold that people are not basically good. Leftism holds that people are basically good. Therefore, Judaism and Christianity believe evil comes from human nature, and leftism believes evil comes from capitalism, religion, the nation-state (i.e. nationalism), corporations, the patriarchy and virtually every other traditional value.



Judaism and Christianity hold that utopia on Earth is impossible — it will only come in God’s good time as a Messianic age or in the afterlife. Leftism holds that utopia is to be created here on Earth — and as soon as possible. That is why leftists find America so contemptible. They do not compare it to other nations but to a utopian ideal — a society with no inequality, no racism, no differences between the sexes (indeed, no sexes) and no greed in which everything important is obtained free.


Judaism and Christianity believe God and the Bible are to instruct us on how to live a good life and how the heart is the last place to look for moral guidance. Leftists have contempt for anyone who is guided by the Bible and its God, and substitute the heart and feelings for divine instruction.


There may be a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam, but the biggest clash of civilizations is between the West and the left.”
Explaining the Left, Part III: Leftism as Secular Religion - The Dennis Prager Show

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

Must I teach you everything??????


Have you ever read a book, or questioned the orthodoxy????



The abandonment of religion was the ‘gift’ of The Enlightenment, and of the French Revolution.

The Enlightenment gave the view that through science and reason, man could make himself replace God. People seem to have missed the greatest difference: science can tell us what we can do, but not what we should do.

And, people seem not to have noticed that the reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

Three days after the completion of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, the mob stormed the Bastille, and marched around with the head of the prison’s commander, Marquis de Launay, on a pike. Shortly, the greatest nation in continental Europe became a human abattoir.


France’s revolution-by-mob has become an inspiration to be imitated in Germany, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, in short, for liberals everywhere.

The characteristics of the French Revolution that most clearly identify it as Liberal are that it was spontaneous, impulsive, passionate, emotional, romantic, utopian, resentful, angry, dreamy- anything and everything except disciplined and reasoned and stable.
See Coulter, “Demonic”


And Western Civilization was changed forever.

If leftists don't worship an invisible superbeing in another dimension, then it's not a real religion as we are talking about here.

The concept 'big government' is your god.

So you have nothing as pertaining to the invisible superbeing that leftists worship. Got it. Now shut the fuck up, you fucking zipperhead.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps you're too stupid to recognize Leftism as a religion....the one you've subscribed to.

A revealing comparison of the two religions…the Judeo-Christian basis of Western Civilization, and the new one, Leftism.

“Leftism’s guiding principles — notwithstanding the principles of those Christians and Jews who claim to be religious yet hold leftist views — are the antitheses of Judaism and Christianity’s guiding principles.


Judaism and Christianity hold that people are not basically good. Leftism holds that people are basically good. Therefore, Judaism and Christianity believe evil comes from human nature, and leftism believes evil comes from capitalism, religion, the nation-state (i.e. nationalism), corporations, the patriarchy and virtually every other traditional value.



Judaism and Christianity hold that utopia on Earth is impossible — it will only come in God’s good time as a Messianic age or in the afterlife. Leftism holds that utopia is to be created here on Earth — and as soon as possible. That is why leftists find America so contemptible. They do not compare it to other nations but to a utopian ideal — a society with no inequality, no racism, no differences between the sexes (indeed, no sexes) and no greed in which everything important is obtained free.


Judaism and Christianity believe God and the Bible are to instruct us on how to live a good life and how the heart is the last place to look for moral guidance. Leftists have contempt for anyone who is guided by the Bible and its God, and substitute the heart and feelings for divine instruction.


There may be a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam, but the biggest clash of civilizations is between the West and the left.”
Explaining the Left, Part III: Leftism as Secular Religion - The Dennis Prager Show

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

Must I teach you everything??????


Have you ever read a book, or questioned the orthodoxy????



The abandonment of religion was the ‘gift’ of The Enlightenment, and of the French Revolution.

The Enlightenment gave the view that through science and reason, man could make himself replace God. People seem to have missed the greatest difference: science can tell us what we can do, but not what we should do.

And, people seem not to have noticed that the reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

Three days after the completion of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, the mob stormed the Bastille, and marched around with the head of the prison’s commander, Marquis de Launay, on a pike. Shortly, the greatest nation in continental Europe became a human abattoir.


France’s revolution-by-mob has become an inspiration to be imitated in Germany, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, in short, for liberals everywhere.

The characteristics of the French Revolution that most clearly identify it as Liberal are that it was spontaneous, impulsive, passionate, emotional, romantic, utopian, resentful, angry, dreamy- anything and everything except disciplined and reasoned and stable.
See Coulter, “Demonic”


And Western Civilization was changed forever.

If leftists don't worship an invisible superbeing in another dimension, then it's not a real religion as we are talking about here.

The concept 'big government' is your god.

So you have nothing as pertaining to the invisible superbeing that leftists worship. Got it. Now shut the fuck up, you fucking zipperhead.

You've been schooled, and reacted exactly the way a Liberal would be expected to.

 

[Taz]

So what invisible superbeing in another dimension do "leftists" worship?

Must I teach you everything??????


Have you ever read a book, or questioned the orthodoxy????



The abandonment of religion was the ‘gift’ of The Enlightenment, and of the French Revolution.

The Enlightenment gave the view that through science and reason, man could make himself replace God. People seem to have missed the greatest difference: science can tell us what we can do, but not what we should do.

And, people seem not to have noticed that the reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

Three days after the completion of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, the mob stormed the Bastille, and marched around with the head of the prison’s commander, Marquis de Launay, on a pike. Shortly, the greatest nation in continental Europe became a human abattoir.


France’s revolution-by-mob has become an inspiration to be imitated in Germany, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, in short, for liberals everywhere.

The characteristics of the French Revolution that most clearly identify it as Liberal are that it was spontaneous, impulsive, passionate, emotional, romantic, utopian, resentful, angry, dreamy- anything and everything except disciplined and reasoned and stable.
See Coulter, “Demonic”


And Western Civilization was changed forever.

If leftists don't worship an invisible superbeing in another dimension, then it's not a real religion as we are talking about here.

The concept 'big government' is your god.

So you have nothing as pertaining to the invisible superbeing that leftists worship. Got it. Now shut the fuck up, you fucking zipperhead.

You've been schooled, and reacted exactly the way a Liberal would be expected to.

Big government isn't an actual god. Do you need me to explain to you what this thread is about?

 

[gipper]

I think the Constitution says pretty much what you just did.

The Constitution is giving people the authority to openly hate gays by claiming religious freedom.

So now I can’t have the freedom to hate?

Not sure, gip, if your post was tongue-in-cheek, but the truth is that opinions, even ones called 'hate' by the Leftists, is a right to think what you will....

We on the Right endorse same, and don't believe in thought crime.

How sick is it to see the Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, endorse punishment for thinking other than what they endorse.

Not tongue in cheek. Freedom is freedom. If one wants to hate, so be it. The poster seems to think hate should be outlawed. That is not freedom. That is mind control Orwellian BS. It is the foundation of political correctness.

If one acts on their hate and harms others, then the law should punish them.

You just said that you didn't want to live in a society where stores had signs like "we don't serve fags". Make up your mind.

I don’t. Do you really think a store owner who posts such a sign, will be successful? If so, you need to evaluate your thinking.

I have NEVER seen such a sign, and I have been around awhile.

 

[gipper]

It probably wouldn’t matter how it is written. Politicians being criminals can always find a way around any law.

Dishonest Abe did yet many Americans think him our greatest POTUS, though he clearly was a traitor, solely responsible for the deaths of 850k Americans, and destruction on half the nation.

And Ben Franklin understood this. He said that he did not entirely agree with everything in the Constitution, and he knew that the Constitution would only be as good as the moral fiber of those who look to it.

Eventually it would all decay into despotism, which is our nature.

Ben Franklin was a very smart man. Yet he had to know the natural inclination of a politician, is criminality. I suspect he knew our system wouldn’t work due to this huge flaw.

 

[Votto]

Why are you against freedom?

I'm FOR freedom, from religion.

So if I want religion, in your world, I don’t have the freedom to do what I want.

I didn't say you can't have religion, but religion shouldn't be allowed to dictate anything to us, like creation "science". Or possibly turning over Roe vs Wade for religious reasons. ...

But you believe that creation should not even be mentioned in education as a possibility, isn't that right?

The issue here is, who writes the laws and based upon what? EVERY law written has a moral teaching behind it as to what is "good" or "bad". So who gets to decide what is good or bad?

Creation isn't a possibility unless you can prove it scientifically. Laws define what is good and bad.

Look, if you want freedom OF religion, then you should be allowing sharia law in the US.

There is just as much possibility for abiogenesis as there is for creation.

I would think that to give abiogenesis some credibility, scientists would at least have to create the kind of conditions they think produced life and create a living cell, but they cannot.

Again, the mystery of where matter came from and life came from are two unexplainable problems science faces and there is no evidence as to how these two phenomenon occurred.

 

[Votto]

It probably wouldn’t matter how it is written. Politicians being criminals can always find a way around any law.

Dishonest Abe did yet many Americans think him our greatest POTUS, though he clearly was a traitor, solely responsible for the deaths of 850k Americans, and destruction on half the nation.

And Ben Franklin understood this. He said that he did not entirely agree with everything in the Constitution, and he knew that the Constitution would only be as good as the moral fiber of those who look to it.

Eventually it would all decay into despotism, which is our nature.

Ben Franklin was a very smart man. Yet he had to know the natural inclination of a politician, is criminality. I suspect he knew our system wouldn’t work due to this huge flaw.

This is perhaps the greatest commentary on the Constitution ever given by Franklin

I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men indeed as well as most sects in Religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error. Steele a Protestant in a Dedication tells the Pope, that the only difference between our Churches in their opinions of the certainty of their doctrines is, the Church of Rome is infallible and the Church of England is never in the wrong. But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain french lady, who in a dispute with her sister, said "I don't know how it happens, Sister but I meet with no body but myself, that's always in the right — Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison."

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded like those of the Builders of Babel; and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. I have never whispered a syllable of them abroad. Within these walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the objections he has had to it, and endeavor to gain partizans in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary effects & great advantages resulting naturally in our favor among foreign Nations as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent unanimity. Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and securing happiness to the people, depends, on opinion, on the general opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as of the wisdom and integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having it well administred.

On the whole, Sir, I can not help expressing a wish that every member of the Convention who may still have objections to it, would with me, on this occasion doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument.

Franklin correctly surmised that the key to individual freedom was individual morality.

 

[Taz]

I'm FOR freedom, from religion.

So if I want religion, in your world, I don’t have the freedom to do what I want.

I didn't say you can't have religion, but religion shouldn't be allowed to dictate anything to us, like creation "science". Or possibly turning over Roe vs Wade for religious reasons. ...

But you believe that creation should not even be mentioned in education as a possibility, isn't that right?

The issue here is, who writes the laws and based upon what? EVERY law written has a moral teaching behind it as to what is "good" or "bad". So who gets to decide what is good or bad?

Creation isn't a possibility unless you can prove it scientifically. Laws define what is good and bad.

Look, if you want freedom OF religion, then you should be allowing sharia law in the US.

There is just as much possibility for abiogenesis as there is for creation.

I would think that to give abiogenesis some credibility, scientists would at least have to create the kind of conditions they think produced life and create a living cell, but they cannot.

Again, the mystery of where matter came from and life came from are two unexplainable problems science faces and there is no evidence as to how these two phenomenon occurred.

There is no possibility for creation, it simply hasn't been proven at all. With abiogenesis, scientists are at least looking and will likely eventually get it to happen in a lab. We can't yet do fusion either, but that doesn't mean that that isn't how the sun works.