"You didn't get there on your own"

[Bfgrn]

Yes, I keep trying to drive that point home. It is because peoplke are willing to take the considerable risks to start up a new business or expand an existing one that allows people to have jobs. And it is because there are jobs that new housing developments go in to provide homes for the workers of those jobs. And that increases the tax base which allows infrastructure to be installed or improved where these new businesses and homes are going in.

Nobody goes out and installs a water system, sewer lines, and other infrastructure whereno people are. The government receives the funds and mandate to install or increase the infrastructure where people already are.

So yes, Mr. President, if I have a business I DID buld that infrastructure with my productivity and with my taxes. And I also built my business.

No one goes out and starts a business where there is no water system, sewer lines, and other infrastructure. Unless they are growing pot.

Location, location, location.

You miss the point. Probably out of ignorance of the facts.
First, most businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. The fact that there is a road in place is happenstance of development which takes place in the natural progress of growth.
Water and sewer are easily replaced by wells and septic tanks. No need for government utilities. Electricity? Most power is supplied by private entities. Same with natural gas for heat. There are lots of ways to marginalize government involvement in the development of business and infrastructure. So much so that government sets up regulations where it can collect fees for "business permits"...This is a money grab.
In nearby Charlotte, NC it is illegal for private property owners to use wells and/or septic tanks. Instead the law states they MUST connect to the city water and sewer system. IMO that is unjust.
In any event, government pays for nothing. Constructs nothing. Maintains nothing WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.
You libs will NEVER convince the majority of the people here of your idea that government should be worshiped as you worship it.
Without the private sector, NOTHING GETS DONE....
Lately it appears that the job of government is not to serve, but to grow the size of government. We're quite sick of it. And this election should we become successful, will send that message to Washington.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

 

[Foxfyre]

No one goes out and starts a business where there is no water system, sewer lines, and other infrastructure. Unless they are growing pot.

Location, location, location.

You miss the point. Probably out of ignorance of the facts.
First, most businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. The fact that there is a road in place is happenstance of development which takes place in the natural progress of growth.
Water and sewer are easily replaced by wells and septic tanks. No need for government utilities. Electricity? Most power is supplied by private entities. Same with natural gas for heat. There are lots of ways to marginalize government involvement in the development of business and infrastructure. So much so that government sets up regulations where it can collect fees for "business permits"...This is a money grab.
In nearby Charlotte, NC it is illegal for private property owners to use wells and/or septic tanks. Instead the law states they MUST connect to the city water and sewer system. IMO that is unjust.
In any event, government pays for nothing. Constructs nothing. Maintains nothing WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.
You libs will NEVER convince the majority of the people here of your idea that government should be worshiped as you worship it.
Without the private sector, NOTHING GETS DONE....
Lately it appears that the job of government is not to serve, but to grow the size of government. We're quite sick of it. And this election should we become successful, will send that message to Washington.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

Nobody is arguing that infrastructure is not useful or even necessary for business to function these days. What many of us ARE arguing is that infrastructure exists because people have been willing to take the risk to invest in commerce and industry and have paid taxes that fund the infrastructure. And the more people who take the risk to invest in commerce and industry, the more resources are available to expand and improve existing infrastructure as well as develop new infrastructure.

Business and commerce make infrastructure possible and precede infrastructure. It is not the other way around.

 

[GuyPinestra]

No one goes out and starts a business where there is no water system, sewer lines, and other infrastructure. Unless they are growing pot.

Location, location, location.

You miss the point. Probably out of ignorance of the facts.
First, most businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. The fact that there is a road in place is happenstance of development which takes place in the natural progress of growth.
Water and sewer are easily replaced by wells and septic tanks. No need for government utilities. Electricity? Most power is supplied by private entities. Same with natural gas for heat. There are lots of ways to marginalize government involvement in the development of business and infrastructure. So much so that government sets up regulations where it can collect fees for "business permits"...This is a money grab.
In nearby Charlotte, NC it is illegal for private property owners to use wells and/or septic tanks. Instead the law states they MUST connect to the city water and sewer system. IMO that is unjust.
In any event, government pays for nothing. Constructs nothing. Maintains nothing WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.
You libs will NEVER convince the majority of the people here of your idea that government should be worshiped as you worship it.
Without the private sector, NOTHING GETS DONE....
Lately it appears that the job of government is not to serve, but to grow the size of government. We're quite sick of it. And this election should we become successful, will send that message to Washington.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

Adding 30 million illegals to the population has really helped with that congestion problem across the US, too. Continuing to allow unfettered immigration will go a long way to making things better, don't you think?
/sarcasm

 

[Bfgrn]

You miss the point. Probably out of ignorance of the facts.
First, most businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. The fact that there is a road in place is happenstance of development which takes place in the natural progress of growth.
Water and sewer are easily replaced by wells and septic tanks. No need for government utilities. Electricity? Most power is supplied by private entities. Same with natural gas for heat. There are lots of ways to marginalize government involvement in the development of business and infrastructure. So much so that government sets up regulations where it can collect fees for "business permits"...This is a money grab.
In nearby Charlotte, NC it is illegal for private property owners to use wells and/or septic tanks. Instead the law states they MUST connect to the city water and sewer system. IMO that is unjust.
In any event, government pays for nothing. Constructs nothing. Maintains nothing WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.
You libs will NEVER convince the majority of the people here of your idea that government should be worshiped as you worship it.
Without the private sector, NOTHING GETS DONE....
Lately it appears that the job of government is not to serve, but to grow the size of government. We're quite sick of it. And this election should we become successful, will send that message to Washington.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

Nobody is arguing that infrastructure is not useful or even necessary for business to function these days. What many of us ARE arguing is that infrastructure exists because people have been willing to take the risk to invest in commerce and industry and have paid taxes that fund the infrastructure. And the more people who take the risk to invest in commerce and industry, the more resources are available to expand and improve existing infrastructure as well as develop new infrastructure.

Business and commerce make infrastructure possible and precede infrastructure. It is not the other way around.

Actually YOU are and have been, along with the rest of the butt hurt conservatives on this thread. The President stated facts. But they don't jive with your Ayn Rand dogmatic contempt for anything that is Public or the commons.

I know a lot about how infrastructure because I sold the equipment that builds the roads and bridges for 20 years. I talked to thousands of contractors, businessmen and women, and politicians.

It is a joint enterprise between government, the people and business. If you remove any of the 3, it will collapse. Those are just facts.

 

[thereisnospoon]

No one goes out and starts a business where there is no water system, sewer lines, and other infrastructure. Unless they are growing pot.

Location, location, location.

You miss the point. Probably out of ignorance of the facts.
First, most businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. The fact that there is a road in place is happenstance of development which takes place in the natural progress of growth.
Water and sewer are easily replaced by wells and septic tanks. No need for government utilities. Electricity? Most power is supplied by private entities. Same with natural gas for heat. There are lots of ways to marginalize government involvement in the development of business and infrastructure. So much so that government sets up regulations where it can collect fees for "business permits"...This is a money grab.
In nearby Charlotte, NC it is illegal for private property owners to use wells and/or septic tanks. Instead the law states they MUST connect to the city water and sewer system. IMO that is unjust.
In any event, government pays for nothing. Constructs nothing. Maintains nothing WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.
You libs will NEVER convince the majority of the people here of your idea that government should be worshiped as you worship it.
Without the private sector, NOTHING GETS DONE....
Lately it appears that the job of government is not to serve, but to grow the size of government. We're quite sick of it. And this election should we become successful, will send that message to Washington.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

Typical of you to deftly evade the FACT that without the private sector NOTHING gets done.
Traffic studies? Another lib deflection. Don't change the subject.
However, since you opened the door.
NC has these issues despite the fact that we pay the fifth highest per gallon fuel tax in the nation. 39.6 CPG. http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-gasoline-tax-rates-january-1-2012...To illustrate the falsehood of Obama's point, the inefficiency and waste of NC's state government over the last four decades has left NC with one of the worst road systems in the nation. How is this possible with all that money supposedly earmarked for road construction and maintenance? They STEAL from the road fund. Then those bastards have the gall to tell us "there's no money for that". Then they raise the tax.
So please spare me the "government is my hero" shit.
Note..Under NC law, fuel taxes are recalculated each Jan 1st and July 1st. A formula is used to determine the amount of increase. The increase is relative to the average retail price around the state. Ironically, if fuel prices rise, so does the tax. We get a double whammy.
Again, if government is the sole source of infrastructure then why is it the state government can't build a 68 mile loop around Charlotte in under 30 years?
The best thing government does is fuck up everything it gets it's grubby paws on.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

Nobody is arguing that infrastructure is not useful or even necessary for business to function these days. What many of us ARE arguing is that infrastructure exists because people have been willing to take the risk to invest in commerce and industry and have paid taxes that fund the infrastructure. And the more people who take the risk to invest in commerce and industry, the more resources are available to expand and improve existing infrastructure as well as develop new infrastructure.

Business and commerce make infrastructure possible and precede infrastructure. It is not the other way around.

Actually YOU are and have been, along with the rest of the butt hurt conservatives on this thread. The President stated facts. But they don't jive with your Ayn Rand dogmatic contempt for anything that is Public or the commons.

I know a lot about how infrastructure because I sold the equipment that builds the roads and bridges for 20 years. I talked to thousands of contractors, businessmen and women, and politicians.

It is a joint enterprise between government, the people and business. If you remove any of the 3, it will collapse. Those are just facts.

You sold....Were you an employee of government? Or did you work in the private sector? Where are the federal and state employees that build the roads?
It is in no way a "joint enterprise"...The government is simply the vessel by which money is collected and spent.
The private sector is wholly responsible for building the country.
Stop insisting your correct. You are not.
Joint enterprise my ass. Christ.
Obama is WRONG...No entrepreneurs, no business. Period.

Oh, can you point out the government delicatessen, government restaurant, government landscape company, government home builder?
This should be fun.

 

[Bfgrn]

Nobody is arguing that infrastructure is not useful or even necessary for business to function these days. What many of us ARE arguing is that infrastructure exists because people have been willing to take the risk to invest in commerce and industry and have paid taxes that fund the infrastructure. And the more people who take the risk to invest in commerce and industry, the more resources are available to expand and improve existing infrastructure as well as develop new infrastructure.

Business and commerce make infrastructure possible and precede infrastructure. It is not the other way around.

Actually YOU are and have been, along with the rest of the butt hurt conservatives on this thread. The President stated facts. But they don't jive with your Ayn Rand dogmatic contempt for anything that is Public or the commons.

I know a lot about how infrastructure because I sold the equipment that builds the roads and bridges for 20 years. I talked to thousands of contractors, businessmen and women, and politicians.

It is a joint enterprise between government, the people and business. If you remove any of the 3, it will collapse. Those are just facts.

You sold....Were you an employee of government? Or did you work in the private sector? Where are the federal and state employees that build the roads?
It is in no way a "joint enterprise"...The government is simply the vessel by which money is collected and spent.
The private sector is wholly responsible for building the country.
Stop insisting your correct. You are not.
Joint enterprise my ass. Christ.
Obama is WRONG...No entrepreneurs, no business. Period.

Oh, can you point out the government delicatessen, government restaurant, government landscape company, government home builder?
This should be fun.

I suggest you start with a Civics course, because you really don't have a clue how anything is built, and you certainly don't have a clue how infrastructure is built. The steps required from the drawing board to the paving mostly involve government. Private contractors only get involved if the road construction is put out to bid. And if ABC Construction is the successful bidder, he has government inspectors on the job that have to inspect and approve every step of the construction.

Some government agencies do all the work themselves. Mostly towns and some counties. And most roads are maintained by government highway departments, and public works departments.

 

[flacaltenn]

No one goes out and starts a business where there is no water system, sewer lines, and other infrastructure. Unless they are growing pot.

Location, location, location.

You miss the point. Probably out of ignorance of the facts.
First, most businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. The fact that there is a road in place is happenstance of development which takes place in the natural progress of growth.
Water and sewer are easily replaced by wells and septic tanks. No need for government utilities. Electricity? Most power is supplied by private entities. Same with natural gas for heat. There are lots of ways to marginalize government involvement in the development of business and infrastructure. So much so that government sets up regulations where it can collect fees for "business permits"...This is a money grab.
In nearby Charlotte, NC it is illegal for private property owners to use wells and/or septic tanks. Instead the law states they MUST connect to the city water and sewer system. IMO that is unjust.
In any event, government pays for nothing. Constructs nothing. Maintains nothing WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.
You libs will NEVER convince the majority of the people here of your idea that government should be worshiped as you worship it.
Without the private sector, NOTHING GETS DONE....
Lately it appears that the job of government is not to serve, but to grow the size of government. We're quite sick of it. And this election should we become successful, will send that message to Washington.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde

First, SOME businesses do not require a fixed location such as a store front or other commercial building. And that is a very recent development. BUT, even an internet only business would not be able to deliver goods to customers without infrastructure. And the efficiency or lack of efficiency of that infrastructure factors in the costs we ALL pay for goods and services. You folks on the right take for granted what We, the People have built, maintained and improved.

Ironic you mention Charlotte, because a recent national assessment of the 50 states ranked North Carolina 48th nationwide on urban interstate congestion, at 75.6 percent
congested.

Traffic congestion is a pervasive and growing problem. Congestion is caused by urban growth, rising private mobility and longer-distance commuting, along with limited expansion of road capacity and competition for road space. Although the state’s largest regions (Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham) have the highest current congestion, other cities are likely to show more rapid growth in congestion. Congestion will more than double over the next 25 years, threatening the economic future of the state. ref.

You just watch what happens in North Dakota over the next 5 years. Folks there are riding ATVs to work and the Shale Oil/Gas folks are building SCHOOLS because the govt is still gonna be trying to get it's pants on --- LONG AFTER this boom is out and succeeding. This whole CONCEPT of all that Collective Preparation for success as being INDISPENSABLE is a complete trailer load of manure...

 

[Foxfyre]

Bfgm's resume seems to be expanding all the time. It is amazing how much personal experience he has in just about every facet of big government.

The bottom line is that commerce and industry got started just fine in this country with NO government help and NO government infrastructure of any kind. It was only because people were willing to risk their own resources to create commerce and industry that it became practical to form government and begin sharing some services.

When business and commerce comes to town, the tax base broadens, and government has more resources to utilize in shared services WHEN the people vote the bonds to create those shared services. Shared services keeps each of us from having to reinvent the wheel in everything we do. The more people and commerce and industry there is in a place, the more infrastructure there will be.

When people are out of work, business and commerce suffers, and if the people start moving away so that business and commerce can no longer make a profit, businesses close. And when that happens, the infrastructure begins to deteriorate and crumble.

Business and commerce precedes infrastructure every single time. Rather than a civics class, I think some here would benefit from a basic economics course.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bfgm's resume seems to be expanding all the time. It is amazing how much personal experience he has in just about every facet of big government.

The bottom line is that commerce and industry got startted just fine in this country with NO government help and NO government infrastructure of any kind. It was only because people were willing to risk their own resources to create commerce and industry that it became practical to form government and begin sharing some services.

When business and commerce comes to town, the tax base broadens, and government has more resources to utilize in shared services WHEN the people vote the bonds to create those shared services. Shared services keeps each of us from having to reinvent the wheel in everything we do. The more people and commerce and industry there is in a place, the more infrastructure there will be.

When people are out of work, business and commerce suffers, and if the people start moving away so that business and commerce can no longer make a profit, businesses close. And when that happens, the infrastructure begins to deteriorate and crumble.

Business and commerce precedes infrastructure every single time. Rather than a civics class, I think some here would benefit from a basic economics course.

I think you could learn from what you just said...Business can't survive without consumers.

There is no single entity that can do it alone. Not business, not government and not consumers. They all play a vital role. But you want to put ideology before logic.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well Ford was smart enough to know that conumers, and Ford employees were consumers, needed enough money to buy a Ford so Ford gave his employees a raise to five dollars a day so they could buy Fords.

Ford did a hell of a lot more than that.

Yes, Ford raised wages, the $5 is a myth, he wasn't a Communist who set a fixed wage for all, but rather an entry wage. The Ford worker would START at $5 a day.

What is ironic is that Ford did this largely to block unionization of the Ford plants.

But what Ford mostly did was drive the cost out of automobile production. Ford demanded that the Model T sell for $500; the Chevrolet Brothers were selling their car for $4,000.

Ford missed his goal and the Model T originally sold for $825 - but still a fraction of what the competition charged. By 1916 the price had dropped to $360.

What Ford did was to make the automobile affordable. He did something you of the left cannot fathom, he offered consumers VALUE. He traded not wants, or needs, but value.

But Ford also received a lot of criticism from other business owners that called Ford's raise social welfare, and that Ford had wrongfully brought biblical and spiritual principles into a field where they do not belong.

Far less, in fact very little was said about wages. The controversy was about the low sales price, which R.E. Olds (of Oldsmobile) stated was "unfair competition, undercutting the price to corner the market."

 

[lukelk]

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Obama is taking an interesting and dangerous approach on the campaign trail, telling successful business owners that they "didn't get there on their own", that their success is predicated in part on the labor and efforts (and taxes) of others. This gives the GOP an opening to say, "see, he hates business owners, we told you so."

On the other hand, it opens up a national conversation that I've never seen before, building on Elizabeth Warren's comments as she runs for office.

This tactic is flying right into the teeth of the GOP's strength, that business and employers are the key to economic success. He's betting that the GOP, so controlled by absolutists right now, is going to look anti-ALL workers, not just union.

Pretty brave, and I think it's a good conversation to have.

Obama Mocks Rich: 'You Didn't Get There On Your Own'

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Better yet. taking that out of context and spinning it as the truth is awefull, everyone who has half a brain knows exactly what he meant by it. its simple, the infasrtucture of the united states, roads, schools, dams, the military, local and federal police agencies and first responders.......that is what makes it possible for our country to thrive. Now pick a product, any product and I will show you a little magic trick......

 

[Uncensored2008]

And with that the kid's arm gets set for $6,000 instead of 8, but Granny's hip replacement get cancelled...

Helluva tradeoff, right?

Granny doesn't need a hip replacement; the death panel ruled that she is a burden on the system and will be put to rest.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution - Press Release

Next...

You DO realize that your cite confirms Bripat's contention, doncha?

Did you even read it before posting it?

 

[lukelk]

And with that the kid's arm gets set for $6,000 instead of 8, but Granny's hip replacement get cancelled...

Helluva tradeoff, right?

Granny doesn't need a hip replacement; the death panel ruled that she is a burden on the system and will be put to rest.

You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?

 

[Katzndogz]

Unfortunately we understand it all too well. obama understands how it works. That's why he said that a woman who needs a pacemaker should just get a pill instead, and given the pill until she died because she needed a pacemaker.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?

Obama's fascist care is over 2,700 pages in length. It is a law with no defined parameters. As governments who seek to avoid accountability are wont to do, fascist care is written in a way that it means whatever the government wants it to mean at any given moment.

 

[bripat9643]

Well Ford was smart enough to know that conumers, and Ford employees were consumers, needed enough money to buy a Ford so Ford gave his employees a raise to five dollars a day so they could buy Fords.
But Ford also received a lot of criticism from other business owners that called Ford's raise social welfare, and that Ford had wrongfully brought biblical and spiritual principles into a field where they do not belong.

Actually, that's not smart. It's stupid. Any company that thinks it's going to make a profit by selling its products to its employees is certifiably insane. they can never be more than a small fraction of the customer base.

Do you think Rolls Royce would make a profit if it raised wages to the point where its employees could afford to buy one? How about Lear Jet?

The theory you enunciated above is a liberal myth. It simply isn't true.

 

[lukelk]

You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?

Obama's fascist care is over 2,700 pages in length. It is a law with no defined parameters. As governments who seek to avoid accountability are wont to do, fascist care is written in a way that it means whatever the government wants it to mean at any given moment.

Well to start you say fascist, and then I have seen your posts where you call it communist, which one is it, CAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT! more importantly, you are then calling romney a fascist cause Romney care is Obama care, just on a state level, and you are calling Regan a fascist cause both Romney&Obama care are modeled after what the Regan admin. proposed doing which was the mandate. so I doubt you have read the whole thing, and from what you have been saying you dont understand pretty much anything about it.

 

[bripat9643]

Well Ford was smart enough to know that conumers, and Ford employees were consumers, needed enough money to buy a Ford so Ford gave his employees a raise to five dollars a day so they could buy Fords.

of course perfectly stupid and 100% liberal.

if that made sense I'd go into the car business or somebody else would, pay the workers more or even million and get rich!! A liberal will lack the IQ to understand capitalism so should not comment here.

Do you understand???

Who can ever understand what you're trying to say? But you can start by trying to tell us what is liberal about Ford's reasoning? Ford could make a million cars but if there were no consumers what happens? A number of auto manufacturers, Hudson, Reo, Studebaker, Nash, Rambler, Essex, and many others might give you a clue.

It's not Ford's reasoning. It's a myth liberals invented as an argument to support their "living wage" idiocy.

If Ford has 10,000 employees and makes a million cars in a year, how is it going to make a profit by doubling the wages of its employees? If every employee buys one, Ford is only going to increase sales by 1%. Meanwhile, Fords costs of production will have increased by 50% or 100%.

Vast wage increases only make sense if production increases by an equal amount. It has nothing to do with the ability of workers to buy the product.