shame on me!Sir Evil said:You dumbass!
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shame on me!Sir Evil said:You dumbass!
Kathianne said:
, although for me it would be 'trust one side of the political spectrum or the other.sagegirl said:I am getting a little set in my ways to switch horses. I have too much skepticism, and enough experience to back it up, to trust the system.
I must ask you, who doesn't? Why the need to see yourself as 'special', 'different', or darest I say it, 'above' the rest of us?sagegirl said:what sets me apart from most of you is that I tend to take issues on one at a time.
Kathianne said:Sagegirl, that was the most thought out response you have given, with a least a hint that you might not always be 'listening', which can equally be said for me:
, although for me it would be 'trust one side of the political spectrum or the other.
Here is where I'm sorry to say, you tend to get my dander up:
I must ask you, who doesn't? Why the need to see yourself as 'special', 'different', or darest I say it, 'above' the rest of us?
Speaking for myself, I have many disagreements with either side of the political spectrum, if you've missed those posts, well you shouldn't be making assumptions and post in a condescending manner or eventually someone is going to come back at you.
You will post however you like, I will too. It would be nice if we could discuss the issue, without putting down or making assumptions about those that disagree with us.
Thank you, it would be pretty boring without some differing thoughts about!sagegirl said:I promise to stick around so you/me can keep having so much fun.
Well do as you like, but I doubt that you will have a lot of response to: What do you disagree with GW about...tell all!sagegirl said:I am thinking about a thread on the very issues you have raised, what if any policies of the current administration do you disagree with ...mostly directed at those who support and voted for GW.
Eightball said:Do you agree with Thomas Naughton? :nine:
No yellow ribbons here
By Thomas Naughton, Collegian columnist
http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/23/421beb6d96af4
February 23, 2005
Guilt can only weigh on a person's mind for so long before they crave the act of purgation; to get the weighty feelings of shame and responsibility out of the mind - or at least the guilty parties attempt to find some kind of peace if they cannot rid themselves of a screaming conscience that implicates and indicts its possessor.
That said, perhaps some readers will understand why my friends and I rip yellow ribbon "support the troops" magnets off of cars or wherever people have affixed them. By ripping off these ribbons, we find a way to deal with our guilt, as though with each ribbon swiped we take back a life that was taken by this senseless war started by our senseless president and those who support him.
I guess this is as good a rationalization for criminal behavior as any other. It is however, a crock.
I will never say, "support the troops." I don't believe in the validity of that statement. People say, "I don't support the war, I support the troops" as though you can actually separate the two. You cannot; the troops are a part of the war, they have become the war and there is no valid dissection of the two. Other people shout with glaring eyes that we should give up our politics, give up our political affiliations in favor of "just supporting the troops." I wish everything were that easy.
Notice that he only quotes "support the troops". It is obvious that he neither supports the troops or anything else for that matter...What makes him think he has to give up his politics?
What they really mean is that we should just give up our will, give up our identities, give up our voices to those in power. Perhaps that's just the way people aligned with the right wing choose to get rid of their guilt: blindness and ignorance.
Horse puckey. He sounds like he would rather subvert his will, identity and anything else to the first entity that comes along opposing the United States. I guess he means he would fight to retain his will and identity and the voice. Maybe there is something he believes in fighting for. The disturbing thing is, he looks down on those who fight for what THEY believe in because it is not what HE believes in.
I listen to talk radio very often. It's important to know who your enemies are. The pundits on the radio are the pinnacles of guiltless, shameless wonders, and I am jealous. It must feel good to believe without question, to benefit from the blind belief of young men and women who chose to join the armed forces, to sit in a radio studio in New York and admonish the public to give in like the troops, to just follow orders, to live as just a number that will soon be etched into a gravestone that no one will ever see.
So the troops have "given in" and are blind, live as just a number, and follow orders like numberless robots. Obviously, this person has no frikkin idea what the hell he is talking about. His first sentence says it all; those who do not think as he does are "the enemy." So much for freedom, eh?
I look into the cars of people with "support the troops" ribbons as I speed past, trying to find some trace of recognition on their face, recognition of their guilt and the fact that they have given up. I usually see nothing; just a mouth moving robotically, singing the pop hits of today or the contemporary country wine of fake cowboys who share a lot with George Bush: no shame.
Those who support the troops are also mindless idiots. What arrogance!
We say, "support the troops" so that we won't feel guilty about saying "no" to war. We reason that if we say that we support the troops, somehow we aren't monsters for not saying a word when the death tolls of U.S. soldiers climbed above 1,000. Those ribbons are yellow for a reason, they are not the mark of armed forces support, they are the mark of cowards.
I would love to have this guy meet THIS coward....anywhere... anytime. Of course he would always be unarmed as he has no brain.
Pundits on the radio advise their cowardly listeners to approach men and women in army uniforms and say "thank you." I cannot do that. Every time I pass a person in uniform I look long and hard at them and all I can think inside to say is "I'm so sorry." I want to apologize to them, to their families and to their friends. I feel sorry that we, the people, couldn't control our own government at the outset of this conflict when most of us knew deep inside that it was a mistake.
We the people can't control our own government??? It sure looks like this guy doesn't understand that we live in a democratic republic and that the people have choices. What he really means is that HE could not control the government and that HE cannot make everyone think as he does.
Where are we now? Are we in a better place? Is the world safer for democracy? No, it is not safer and we are not in a better place. In this war that we are fighting to somehow avenge the deaths of the Sept. 11 tragedy, we have amassed a field of body bags, the number of which almost matches the number killed in the terrorist attacks four years ago. Now, we stare at yet another request for barrels of money for this war by President Bush, while people in our own country search fruitlessly for jobs to feed their starving families, while every public school gets left behind, while our elderly are ensured an uncertain future of unpaid medical bills.
Of course we have to have the bit about the poor starving children and the elderly. He forget the millions of homeless. His math skills suck as well.
I guess we shouldn't think about those things though, right? We should just buy a yellow magnet and slap it on the butt of our car so we can sleep at night and just let our government do whatever they want. That's supporting the troops, right?
Yep.
Two years ago my friend Eric called me out of the blue after almost five years of silence between us. We were in a band together when we were teenagers and he had joined the army around the time I was graduating from high school. He had to join the army; he had a son to provide for in the grand tradition of many young members of the armed forces. He called me to tell me that he was going back to Iraq, against his will. He was so sad and angry and scared. He didn't say it, but I know he was calling to tell me that he might die. I didn't say it to him then, but I felt such overwhelming guilt that I couldn't do anything to keep him from going back.
He can read minds over the telephone...amazing. Maybe the reason he hasn't heard from Eric is because Eric realized what a jerk this guy was and CHOSE not to have anything further to do with this idiot.
I haven't heard from him since. I don't know if he's dead, and my guilt is alive and well. I hope that all of our family members in harm's way return alive. Until then, I can really honor their sacrifice by demanding that it finally comes to an end.
IControlThePast said:It's pretty funny that this guy really goes and steals those magnets. He's probably fueling the magnet industry as those who lost them go and buy more.
If the troops assumed that they would serve under the conditions that they would only fight necessary wars, dumb assumption on their part. I don't like how 18 year olds are having to register though.
I do find it funnier though when those condemn people for sticking up for their opinions and thoughts and considering that there is only "one" line of thought that America thinks, that the thoughts never change, and if you aren't in step with that line you're un-American. I thought this country was based on diversity, silly me.