Would you marry a single mum/dad?

[WinterBorn]

The society I live in is based on numerous cultural influences. The fact that Christianity was the dominant force does not mean it was right. Forcing women into subjugation based solely on genitalia is ridiculous.

We agree on several things. Both parents are responsible for the care & protection of the child. Raise them right and the other issues are taken care of. I raised 3 children in my first marriage. They were teens when their mother and I divorced. Unlike typical divorces, our children still came first after we split. The kids were not subject to the tug-of-war so divorced parents create. And our kids turned out to be well adjusted and productive members of society.

The relationship between my 2nd wife and her ex was the opposite. And it caused a great deal of grief for our daughter. And yes, she acted out because of some of those issues. That did not change the fact that we was loved and protected in our house. Today she is a college graduate with a career. She has done little or no experimenting with drugs (except a little pot, as she told me). She graduated high school with honors. She has had a few long term relationships, but was never a partygirl. She is well adjusted and doing great.

The proof is in the pudding.

As far as the alpha male stuff, whichever is better at a given thing should be the one in charge of it in a marriage. My current partner is very organized. I am not. So she handles the organization and calendar for us. We don't fight over it. I am not less of a man because I recognize her talents.
A couple of questions for you concerning you being the man in charge and the wife being subservient.
1) If you want sex and she doesn't, does your alpha male, head of the household status hold sway?

2) If she works outside the home, is it a problem if she makes more money than you?

3) Is she allowed to have male friends?

I can see you love to argue. The fact that America was founded on Christian principles does not make it wrong. If you look objectively at when this country prospered the most, it was when the nation revered God the most.

1) Forcing your wife to have sex with you is rape. If with-holding sex is a continual thing, it is grounds for divorce

2) Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really. OTOH, my wife and I had an argument that went into yesterday. I have good credit and she doesn't. She wants a new car and I refused to co-sign as doing so reduces my ability to borrow money since I'm responsible for a $500 a month car payment.

I had bought a fixer upper to flip. Without my line of credit, I've got a pig in a poke. Now, had my wife worked with me to get that place on the market, she would have enough today to pay cash for the car. She believes the way you do. In my opinion, it wasn't a sound decision on her part to be half married

3) I think your third question is one that couples should have a discussion about BEFORE they say I do. If you do a little premarital counseling, it might help the couple decide if they really want to be married to each other. Unfortunately, that is only true IF both parties are honest with themselves and their counselor.

I love to make my point.

The fact that something was always done that way does not make it right.

I do not see a connection between when we prospered and belief in God. I certainly do not believe that God cares about nations over people.

Your ignorance does not add up to facts.
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So you believe God blesses individual nations, and ignores the prayers and pleas of individuals?

On this topic I think there are very few verifiable facts. There are beliefs.

I believe God will answer the prayers of many individuals within this nation, and then some!

I know that we all pray for the same thing. True story.

As do residents of many nations.

 

[WinterBorn]

I usually prefer women without children but not because I think they are whores or something but because children who are not your own often end up rebelling against you and not accepting you as their father, they will say "You cant tell me anything you are not my father" but there are exceptions. I would maybe marry a woman with child.

Here is an answer from a minister and I'll not hold back:

There is no way in HELL I'd marry a woman with kids again. Been there done that. As fate would have it, I got in an argument over that very issue tonight and I see divorce on the horizon.

Today, women think their children should come first. I've tried it twice and both times the kids would give me that you ain't my father song and dance. Kids aren't stupid. They play the couple for all it's worth and the man loses every single time. My current wife has a son that has figured out how to drop out of school, live on food stamps and other government aid while mommy handles chauffeuring his sorry ass all over the county and doing his laundry and paying his medical and dental bills.

He's so lazy that I kicked him out of the house because he wouldn't look for a job. He spent 8 months living in a tent a few miles down the road. My wife found him a room and within six months he's gotten kicked out. He's going to be living in a tent at the end of this month... except that mommy would rather join him than have him look for a freaking job. DON'T DO IT.

The mothers SHOULD put their kids first. But the mothers should also be parents not doormats.

The first time I was told "You aren't my real father" I made sure they understood, I am not their father but I am their Dad.

Being a father is biology. Being a Dad is a relationship. There will be times when it is hard. But then, if it is your biological child it will be just as hard.

You are 100 percent WRONG on this issue. Regardless of whether this is your first marriage or your fourth or fifth, a marriage is a very special union. Ephesians, chapter 5 admonishes Christians:

"22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."

The man is the head of a relationship and he must run his house as Christ would run his house. Instead,mothers venerate their children and most of them continue to put their previous familial relationships (mother, father, brother, sisters, etc.) above the husband. Husbands seek gratification in worldly things like weed, ball games, booze, video games, etc., etc. We have absent fathers and mothers who treat their children like infants. It is not uncommon to see men living in mommy's house in their 20s, 30s, 40s and beyond and they have no more education, maturity, skill sets, or initiative than a 14 year old.

There are not many alpha males among the current U.S. population and it is especially true of whites. Because mommy treated her children like they were her world, males become feminine, dependent on mommy, unable to take on healthy relationships themselves. Most marriages in this country end in divorce.

When a child grows up, they need to learn that mommy and daddy are ONE UNIT. That one unit loves them unconditionally and both parents are required to show that. The children are taught proper love and how to respect so that when they are older, they move out and build families of their own. The notion that the children come before that one unit that sustains the children is 100 percent wrong and is one of the leading factors not only in divorce, but in having middle age men living in mommy's basement with no education, no initiative and not a damn clue as how to be in any relationship except the one with mommy.

Oh...one of those....

Bodey, STFU. Can you tie a tie for yourself? No? Well, you're a bitch. A Dyke bitch, but still you're a bitch. You never was to be able to do what I can do in a day, and that's ok, but you're not equal with a man, bitch, as least not as far as working goes.

You wanna lick cooch, that's fine, nothing wrong with with that.

You cannot do many of the jobs that men do because you're simply not physically cut out for it. True story and deal with it.

Know your role. I know mine. You couldn't handle mine, nor could ary a woman. We've been down this road before.
There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has their calling in life.

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

 

[Rambunctious]

Would you marry a single mum/dad?

Baggage........

 

[Marion Morrison]

Here is an answer from a minister and I'll not hold back:

There is no way in HELL I'd marry a woman with kids again. Been there done that. As fate would have it, I got in an argument over that very issue tonight and I see divorce on the horizon.

Today, women think their children should come first. I've tried it twice and both times the kids would give me that you ain't my father song and dance. Kids aren't stupid. They play the couple for all it's worth and the man loses every single time. My current wife has a son that has figured out how to drop out of school, live on food stamps and other government aid while mommy handles chauffeuring his sorry ass all over the county and doing his laundry and paying his medical and dental bills.

He's so lazy that I kicked him out of the house because he wouldn't look for a job. He spent 8 months living in a tent a few miles down the road. My wife found him a room and within six months he's gotten kicked out. He's going to be living in a tent at the end of this month... except that mommy would rather join him than have him look for a freaking job. DON'T DO IT.

The mothers SHOULD put their kids first. But the mothers should also be parents not doormats.

The first time I was told "You aren't my real father" I made sure they understood, I am not their father but I am their Dad.

Being a father is biology. Being a Dad is a relationship. There will be times when it is hard. But then, if it is your biological child it will be just as hard.

You are 100 percent WRONG on this issue. Regardless of whether this is your first marriage or your fourth or fifth, a marriage is a very special union. Ephesians, chapter 5 admonishes Christians:

"22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."

The man is the head of a relationship and he must run his house as Christ would run his house. Instead,mothers venerate their children and most of them continue to put their previous familial relationships (mother, father, brother, sisters, etc.) above the husband. Husbands seek gratification in worldly things like weed, ball games, booze, video games, etc., etc. We have absent fathers and mothers who treat their children like infants. It is not uncommon to see men living in mommy's house in their 20s, 30s, 40s and beyond and they have no more education, maturity, skill sets, or initiative than a 14 year old.

There are not many alpha males among the current U.S. population and it is especially true of whites. Because mommy treated her children like they were her world, males become feminine, dependent on mommy, unable to take on healthy relationships themselves. Most marriages in this country end in divorce.

When a child grows up, they need to learn that mommy and daddy are ONE UNIT. That one unit loves them unconditionally and both parents are required to show that. The children are taught proper love and how to respect so that when they are older, they move out and build families of their own. The notion that the children come before that one unit that sustains the children is 100 percent wrong and is one of the leading factors not only in divorce, but in having middle age men living in mommy's basement with no education, no initiative and not a damn clue as how to be in any relationship except the one with mommy.

Oh...one of those....

Bodey, STFU. Can you tie a tie for yourself? No? Well, you're a bitch. A Dyke bitch, but still you're a bitch. You never was to be able to do what I can do in a day, and that's ok, but you're not equal with a man, bitch, as least not as far as working goes.

You wanna lick cooch, that's fine, nothing wrong with with that.

You cannot do many of the jobs that men do because you're simply not physically cut out for it. True story and deal with it.

Know your role. I know mine. You couldn't handle mine, nor could ary a woman. We've been down this road before.
There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has their calling in life.

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

 

[WinterBorn]

The mothers SHOULD put their kids first. But the mothers should also be parents not doormats.

The first time I was told "You aren't my real father" I made sure they understood, I am not their father but I am their Dad.

Being a father is biology. Being a Dad is a relationship. There will be times when it is hard. But then, if it is your biological child it will be just as hard.

You are 100 percent WRONG on this issue. Regardless of whether this is your first marriage or your fourth or fifth, a marriage is a very special union. Ephesians, chapter 5 admonishes Christians:

"22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."

The man is the head of a relationship and he must run his house as Christ would run his house. Instead,mothers venerate their children and most of them continue to put their previous familial relationships (mother, father, brother, sisters, etc.) above the husband. Husbands seek gratification in worldly things like weed, ball games, booze, video games, etc., etc. We have absent fathers and mothers who treat their children like infants. It is not uncommon to see men living in mommy's house in their 20s, 30s, 40s and beyond and they have no more education, maturity, skill sets, or initiative than a 14 year old.

There are not many alpha males among the current U.S. population and it is especially true of whites. Because mommy treated her children like they were her world, males become feminine, dependent on mommy, unable to take on healthy relationships themselves. Most marriages in this country end in divorce.

When a child grows up, they need to learn that mommy and daddy are ONE UNIT. That one unit loves them unconditionally and both parents are required to show that. The children are taught proper love and how to respect so that when they are older, they move out and build families of their own. The notion that the children come before that one unit that sustains the children is 100 percent wrong and is one of the leading factors not only in divorce, but in having middle age men living in mommy's basement with no education, no initiative and not a damn clue as how to be in any relationship except the one with mommy.

Oh...one of those....

Bodey, STFU. Can you tie a tie for yourself? No? Well, you're a bitch. A Dyke bitch, but still you're a bitch. You never was to be able to do what I can do in a day, and that's ok, but you're not equal with a man, bitch, as least not as far as working goes.

You wanna lick cooch, that's fine, nothing wrong with with that.

You cannot do many of the jobs that men do because you're simply not physically cut out for it. True story and deal with it.

Know your role. I know mine. You couldn't handle mine, nor could ary a woman. We've been down this road before.
There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has their calling in life.

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You are 100 percent WRONG on this issue. Regardless of whether this is your first marriage or your fourth or fifth, a marriage is a very special union. Ephesians, chapter 5 admonishes Christians:

"22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."

The man is the head of a relationship and he must run his house as Christ would run his house. Instead,mothers venerate their children and most of them continue to put their previous familial relationships (mother, father, brother, sisters, etc.) above the husband. Husbands seek gratification in worldly things like weed, ball games, booze, video games, etc., etc. We have absent fathers and mothers who treat their children like infants. It is not uncommon to see men living in mommy's house in their 20s, 30s, 40s and beyond and they have no more education, maturity, skill sets, or initiative than a 14 year old.

There are not many alpha males among the current U.S. population and it is especially true of whites. Because mommy treated her children like they were her world, males become feminine, dependent on mommy, unable to take on healthy relationships themselves. Most marriages in this country end in divorce.

When a child grows up, they need to learn that mommy and daddy are ONE UNIT. That one unit loves them unconditionally and both parents are required to show that. The children are taught proper love and how to respect so that when they are older, they move out and build families of their own. The notion that the children come before that one unit that sustains the children is 100 percent wrong and is one of the leading factors not only in divorce, but in having middle age men living in mommy's basement with no education, no initiative and not a damn clue as how to be in any relationship except the one with mommy.

Oh...one of those....

Bodey, STFU. Can you tie a tie for yourself? No? Well, you're a bitch. A Dyke bitch, but still you're a bitch. You never was to be able to do what I can do in a day, and that's ok, but you're not equal with a man, bitch, as least not as far as working goes.

You wanna lick cooch, that's fine, nothing wrong with with that.

You cannot do many of the jobs that men do because you're simply not physically cut out for it. True story and deal with it.

Know your role. I know mine. You couldn't handle mine, nor could ary a woman. We've been down this road before.
There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has their calling in life.

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

70 is not 110, sorry.

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh...one of those....

Bodey, STFU. Can you tie a tie for yourself? No? Well, you're a bitch. A Dyke bitch, but still you're a bitch. You never was to be able to do what I can do in a day, and that's ok, but you're not equal with a man, bitch, as least not as far as working goes.

You wanna lick cooch, that's fine, nothing wrong with with that.

You cannot do many of the jobs that men do because you're simply not physically cut out for it. True story and deal with it.

Know your role. I know mine. You couldn't handle mine, nor could ary a woman. We've been down this road before.
There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has their calling in life.

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

70 is not 110, sorry.

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I usually prefer women without children but not because I think they are whores or something but because children who are not your own often end up rebelling against you and not accepting you as their father, they will say "You cant tell me anything you are not my father" but there are exceptions. I would maybe marry a woman with child.

Huh? almost every kid does that.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Bodey, STFU. Can you tie a tie for yourself? No? Well, you're a bitch. A Dyke bitch, but still you're a bitch. You never was to be able to do what I can do in a day, and that's ok, but you're not equal with a man, bitch, as least not as far as working goes.

You wanna lick cooch, that's fine, nothing wrong with with that.

You cannot do many of the jobs that men do because you're simply not physically cut out for it. True story and deal with it.

Know your role. I know mine. You couldn't handle mine, nor could ary a woman. We've been down this road before.
There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has their calling in life.

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

70 is not 110, sorry.

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

Climb trees. Professionally.

 

[WinterBorn]

So now this is about the ability to do physical labor?

I could introduce you to a couple of women who can work as hard as men. Two have them have made careers as linemen.

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

70 is not 110, sorry.

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

Climb trees. Professionally.

Kudos. That is hard work.

I don't know if its harder than line work. I've also worked in some of the worst weather imaginable.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Even linemen can't do what I do. I respect them much and deal with them often.

They respect me, too.

PS: If you can't physically do the work, you can't get the job done. Truth is: Not many can.

It takes talent/ability, brawn and brains, in that order.

Bodey couldn't do it, you probably couldn't either. When's the last time you were 110 feet up a tree, more than twice as high as the power lines? No bucket goes that high. Like I said : Know your role.

I do what I do, you do what you do that you're good at.

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

70 is not 110, sorry.

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

Climb trees. Professionally.

Kudos. That is hard work.

I don't know if its harder than line work. I've also worked in some of the worst weather imaginable.

It is. They know it. Some used to do it. I'm kinda hooked up on that tip.

They'll do what I ask, because I'm reasonable about it.

They also know I bust my ass.

 

[Dick Foster]

I met the perfect single mom,
No one could ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb and oversexed,
And owns a liquor store.

Yeah but did she have a boat and motor?

BTW I married into the liquor business the first time I married but we were both greenhorns. Too much travel killed off that marriage.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I met the perfect single mom,
No one could ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb and oversexed,
And owns a liquor store.

Yeah but did she have a boat and motor?

That's not among the things I'd query if she had.

I don't care what she has, it's what she's got and will do for me is my main concern.

 

[WinterBorn]

Its not all bucket work. I worked for 5 years before I ever set foot in a bucket.

I've climbed 70 feet up wood poles. No limbs to help.

I've also hooked (climbed) 40 poles in a day. Much respect for tree work or logging. But don't dismiss linemen. Pulling lashers, rollers, and tools up a pole over and over ain't easy either. And swapping a 50 lbs lasher from one side to the other, when it ends on one side and starts on the other 24" to 30" out.

70 is not 110, sorry.

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

Climb trees. Professionally.

Kudos. That is hard work.

I don't know if its harder than line work. I've also worked in some of the worst weather imaginable.

It is. They know it. Some used to do it. I'm kinda hooked up on that tip.

They'll do what I ask, because I'm reasonable about it.

They also know I bust my ass.

Eh, I think both are pretty damned rough, physically. And yes, there is plenty of intellectual work in the trees. But you aren't working with 30Kv and up. I'm not sure the tools weigh as much. My line belt, with tools, ran in the neighborhood of 40lbs. Plus a handline to drop for parts and tools (like a 50lb lasher). But the utility poles and towers don't move like trees do, so there is that.

Powerline work has some sneaky ways to die too. After I got into safety, the first fatality investigation I did was of a lineman working transmission lines. He was electrocuted. Tricky part was that neither end of his line was energized or connected. That is why the idiot groundhand didn't think it needed to be grounded. It did need to be.

 

[Marion Morrison]

70 is not 110, sorry.

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

Climb trees. Professionally.

Kudos. That is hard work.

I don't know if its harder than line work. I've also worked in some of the worst weather imaginable.

It is. They know it. Some used to do it. I'm kinda hooked up on that tip.

They'll do what I ask, because I'm reasonable about it.

They also know I bust my ass.

Eh, I think both are pretty damned rough, physically. And yes, there is plenty of intellectual work in the trees. But you aren't working with 30Kv and up. I'm not sure the tools weigh as much. My line belt, with tools, ran in the neighborhood of 40lbs. Plus a handline to drop for parts and tools (like a 50lb lasher). But the utility poles and towers don't move like trees do, so there is that.

Powerline work has some sneaky ways to die too. After I got into safety, the first fatality investigation I did was of a lineman working transmission lines. He was electrocuted. Tricky part was that neither end of his line was energized or connected. That is why the idiot groundhand didn't think it needed to be grounded. It did need to be.

Yeahh, I go up above that and avoid it.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Unfortunately you live in a society that was founded on Christian principles. We have different cultural expectations.

Again, the husband and wife act as ONE UNIT. If the father (even if he is not the biological father) is not fully committed to those children, then a marriage does not exist.

In our culture, whether you like it or not, the father is the head of the house. IF he is not doing his job, he deserves NO RESPECT. Furthermore, in my grandfather's day, if a man did not take care of his family, he generally got an unpleasant visit from his neighbors.

When my wife's son moved into my home, I told him that what I say goes. I pay the bills, make sure a roof was over his head, and food in his stomach. In return there were some ground rules: no smoking, drinking, illegal drugs, or unlawful acts permitted. No loud noises after a certain hour of the night. Either go to school or go to work. No laying on your ass playing video games just because mommy can afford it.

If children live in your home - whether you are the biological parent or not, you have a duty to provide for them, nurture them and treat them the way you would want your own biological children treated. If you don't do that, those children don't need to be in your house.

In your society, the absent fathers and the beta males has made for an entire generation of males that are being replaced by foreigners because they lack in every trait I've mentioned to you in my last two posts. One reality you cannot escape: In both Christian and Islamic theology the man IS the head of the house. While America was founded on Christian principles, I see the Muslims changing our culture more and more with each passing year. So, who rules the roost isn't going to change in mine or your lifetimes.

The society I live in is based on numerous cultural influences. The fact that Christianity was the dominant force does not mean it was right. Forcing women into subjugation based solely on genitalia is ridiculous.

We agree on several things. Both parents are responsible for the care & protection of the child. Raise them right and the other issues are taken care of. I raised 3 children in my first marriage. They were teens when their mother and I divorced. Unlike typical divorces, our children still came first after we split. The kids were not subject to the tug-of-war so divorced parents create. And our kids turned out to be well adjusted and productive members of society.

The relationship between my 2nd wife and her ex was the opposite. And it caused a great deal of grief for our daughter. And yes, she acted out because of some of those issues. That did not change the fact that we was loved and protected in our house. Today she is a college graduate with a career. She has done little or no experimenting with drugs (except a little pot, as she told me). She graduated high school with honors. She has had a few long term relationships, but was never a partygirl. She is well adjusted and doing great.

The proof is in the pudding.

As far as the alpha male stuff, whichever is better at a given thing should be the one in charge of it in a marriage. My current partner is very organized. I am not. So she handles the organization and calendar for us. We don't fight over it. I am not less of a man because I recognize her talents.
A couple of questions for you concerning you being the man in charge and the wife being subservient.
1) If you want sex and she doesn't, does your alpha male, head of the household status hold sway?

2) If she works outside the home, is it a problem if she makes more money than you?

3) Is she allowed to have male friends?

I can see you love to argue. The fact that America was founded on Christian principles does not make it wrong. If you look objectively at when this country prospered the most, it was when the nation revered God the most.

1) Forcing your wife to have sex with you is rape. If with-holding sex is a continual thing, it is grounds for divorce

2) Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really. OTOH, my wife and I had an argument that went into yesterday. I have good credit and she doesn't. She wants a new car and I refused to co-sign as doing so reduces my ability to borrow money since I'm responsible for a $500 a month car payment.

I had bought a fixer upper to flip. Without my line of credit, I've got a pig in a poke. Now, had my wife worked with me to get that place on the market, she would have enough today to pay cash for the car. She believes the way you do. In my opinion, it wasn't a sound decision on her part to be half married

3) I think your third question is one that couples should have a discussion about BEFORE they say I do. If you do a little premarital counseling, it might help the couple decide if they really want to be married to each other. Unfortunately, that is only true IF both parties are honest with themselves and their counselor.

I love to make my point.

The fact that something was always done that way does not make it right.

I do not see a connection between when we prospered and belief in God. I certainly do not believe that God cares about nations over people.

Your ignorance does not add up to facts.
.

So you believe God blesses individual nations, and ignores the prayers and pleas of individuals?

On this topic I think there are very few verifiable facts. There are beliefs.

God blesses nations and he deals with individuals directly and indirectly. God answers your prayers - it's just not always the outcome you want.

You and I know that the millennials will be the first generation of Americans to less affluent, have shorter life spans, and be less healthy than their parents generation.

We also know that those who believe in God and attend church has been plummeting:

.Gallup: Number of Americans who belong to a church or house of worship plummets - Religion News Service

To prove that is beyond the scope of this thread, but suffice it to say, it's not the first time I've been confronted with cause and effect possibilities related to this issue. Before Dave Barton went mainstream, he did some credible research:





Amazon.com: Watch Education and the Founding Fathers | Prime Video

Bear this in mind: Politics is nothing more than religion in action. For the first time in our history America is, in reality, ungodly and secular. The statistics speak for themselves - Americans consuming 80 percent of the world's opioid supply, more people in prisons than any nation on the planet...

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Unfortunately you live in a society that was founded on Christian principles. We have different cultural expectations.

Again, the husband and wife act as ONE UNIT. If the father (even if he is not the biological father) is not fully committed to those children, then a marriage does not exist.

In our culture, whether you like it or not, the father is the head of the house. IF he is not doing his job, he deserves NO RESPECT. Furthermore, in my grandfather's day, if a man did not take care of his family, he generally got an unpleasant visit from his neighbors.

When my wife's son moved into my home, I told him that what I say goes. I pay the bills, make sure a roof was over his head, and food in his stomach. In return there were some ground rules: no smoking, drinking, illegal drugs, or unlawful acts permitted. No loud noises after a certain hour of the night. Either go to school or go to work. No laying on your ass playing video games just because mommy can afford it.

If children live in your home - whether you are the biological parent or not, you have a duty to provide for them, nurture them and treat them the way you would want your own biological children treated. If you don't do that, those children don't need to be in your house.

In your society, the absent fathers and the beta males has made for an entire generation of males that are being replaced by foreigners because they lack in every trait I've mentioned to you in my last two posts. One reality you cannot escape: In both Christian and Islamic theology the man IS the head of the house. While America was founded on Christian principles, I see the Muslims changing our culture more and more with each passing year. So, who rules the roost isn't going to change in mine or your lifetimes.

The society I live in is based on numerous cultural influences. The fact that Christianity was the dominant force does not mean it was right. Forcing women into subjugation based solely on genitalia is ridiculous.

We agree on several things. Both parents are responsible for the care & protection of the child. Raise them right and the other issues are taken care of. I raised 3 children in my first marriage. They were teens when their mother and I divorced. Unlike typical divorces, our children still came first after we split. The kids were not subject to the tug-of-war so divorced parents create. And our kids turned out to be well adjusted and productive members of society.

The relationship between my 2nd wife and her ex was the opposite. And it caused a great deal of grief for our daughter. And yes, she acted out because of some of those issues. That did not change the fact that we was loved and protected in our house. Today she is a college graduate with a career. She has done little or no experimenting with drugs (except a little pot, as she told me). She graduated high school with honors. She has had a few long term relationships, but was never a partygirl. She is well adjusted and doing great.

The proof is in the pudding.

As far as the alpha male stuff, whichever is better at a given thing should be the one in charge of it in a marriage. My current partner is very organized. I am not. So she handles the organization and calendar for us. We don't fight over it. I am not less of a man because I recognize her talents.
A couple of questions for you concerning you being the man in charge and the wife being subservient.
1) If you want sex and she doesn't, does your alpha male, head of the household status hold sway?

2) If she works outside the home, is it a problem if she makes more money than you?

3) Is she allowed to have male friends?

I can see you love to argue. The fact that America was founded on Christian principles does not make it wrong. If you look objectively at when this country prospered the most, it was when the nation revered God the most.

1) Forcing your wife to have sex with you is rape. If with-holding sex is a continual thing, it is grounds for divorce

2) Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really. OTOH, my wife and I had an argument that went into yesterday. I have good credit and she doesn't. She wants a new car and I refused to co-sign as doing so reduces my ability to borrow money since I'm responsible for a $500 a month car payment.

I had bought a fixer upper to flip. Without my line of credit, I've got a pig in a poke. Now, had my wife worked with me to get that place on the market, she would have enough today to pay cash for the car. She believes the way you do. In my opinion, it wasn't a sound decision on her part to be half married

3) I think your third question is one that couples should have a discussion about BEFORE they say I do. If you do a little premarital counseling, it might help the couple decide if they really want to be married to each other. Unfortunately, that is only true IF both parties are honest with themselves and their counselor.

If I just wanted to argue, I would point out the inconsistency of you posting "I pay the bills, make sure a roof was over his head, and food in his stomach." and then "Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really.". But I won't. lol

There is no inconsistency. My wife spends her money on what SHE wants to buy. I pay the bills at this house. She said it was mine when we met so it should be my responsibility.

Now, when her son came here to stay, she took him out to movies and stores, etc. but, the mortgage, utilities, insurance, food, etc., etc. are all on me. You should go back and reread the whole thread. My wife actually keeps up two sons. One is about 28, the other over 30. She pays for everything in their lives. Neither has a high school education, has held a job over 90 days, nor lived outside the care of mommy. The youngest, who has autism DID just get his driver's license and a job in a nursing home. I'm proud of him, The other one is a dope smoking POS. He will never look for a job or be independent because mommy does not want him to have a male role model in his life.

Sounds like a complete failure in raising a child to be an independent person.

Wasn't my raising. These were adults when I met them. FWIW, the father sounds like my critics on this thread.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, it is not.

What is it you do?

Climb trees. Professionally.

Kudos. That is hard work.

I don't know if its harder than line work. I've also worked in some of the worst weather imaginable.

It is. They know it. Some used to do it. I'm kinda hooked up on that tip.

They'll do what I ask, because I'm reasonable about it.

They also know I bust my ass.

Eh, I think both are pretty damned rough, physically. And yes, there is plenty of intellectual work in the trees. But you aren't working with 30Kv and up. I'm not sure the tools weigh as much. My line belt, with tools, ran in the neighborhood of 40lbs. Plus a handline to drop for parts and tools (like a 50lb lasher). But the utility poles and towers don't move like trees do, so there is that.

Powerline work has some sneaky ways to die too. After I got into safety, the first fatality investigation I did was of a lineman working transmission lines. He was electrocuted. Tricky part was that neither end of his line was energized or connected. That is why the idiot groundhand didn't think it needed to be grounded. It did need to be.

Yeahh, I go up above that and avoid it.

Good idea. I would have too, except that was why I was there.

 

[WinterBorn]

The society I live in is based on numerous cultural influences. The fact that Christianity was the dominant force does not mean it was right. Forcing women into subjugation based solely on genitalia is ridiculous.

We agree on several things. Both parents are responsible for the care & protection of the child. Raise them right and the other issues are taken care of. I raised 3 children in my first marriage. They were teens when their mother and I divorced. Unlike typical divorces, our children still came first after we split. The kids were not subject to the tug-of-war so divorced parents create. And our kids turned out to be well adjusted and productive members of society.

The relationship between my 2nd wife and her ex was the opposite. And it caused a great deal of grief for our daughter. And yes, she acted out because of some of those issues. That did not change the fact that we was loved and protected in our house. Today she is a college graduate with a career. She has done little or no experimenting with drugs (except a little pot, as she told me). She graduated high school with honors. She has had a few long term relationships, but was never a partygirl. She is well adjusted and doing great.

The proof is in the pudding.

As far as the alpha male stuff, whichever is better at a given thing should be the one in charge of it in a marriage. My current partner is very organized. I am not. So she handles the organization and calendar for us. We don't fight over it. I am not less of a man because I recognize her talents.
A couple of questions for you concerning you being the man in charge and the wife being subservient.
1) If you want sex and she doesn't, does your alpha male, head of the household status hold sway?

2) If she works outside the home, is it a problem if she makes more money than you?

3) Is she allowed to have male friends?

I can see you love to argue. The fact that America was founded on Christian principles does not make it wrong. If you look objectively at when this country prospered the most, it was when the nation revered God the most.

1) Forcing your wife to have sex with you is rape. If with-holding sex is a continual thing, it is grounds for divorce

2) Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really. OTOH, my wife and I had an argument that went into yesterday. I have good credit and she doesn't. She wants a new car and I refused to co-sign as doing so reduces my ability to borrow money since I'm responsible for a $500 a month car payment.

I had bought a fixer upper to flip. Without my line of credit, I've got a pig in a poke. Now, had my wife worked with me to get that place on the market, she would have enough today to pay cash for the car. She believes the way you do. In my opinion, it wasn't a sound decision on her part to be half married

3) I think your third question is one that couples should have a discussion about BEFORE they say I do. If you do a little premarital counseling, it might help the couple decide if they really want to be married to each other. Unfortunately, that is only true IF both parties are honest with themselves and their counselor.

If I just wanted to argue, I would point out the inconsistency of you posting "I pay the bills, make sure a roof was over his head, and food in his stomach." and then "Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really.". But I won't. lol

There is no inconsistency. My wife spends her money on what SHE wants to buy. I pay the bills at this house. She said it was mine when we met so it should be my responsibility.

Now, when her son came here to stay, she took him out to movies and stores, etc. but, the mortgage, utilities, insurance, food, etc., etc. are all on me. You should go back and reread the whole thread. My wife actually keeps up two sons. One is about 28, the other over 30. She pays for everything in their lives. Neither has a high school education, has held a job over 90 days, nor lived outside the care of mommy. The youngest, who has autism DID just get his driver's license and a job in a nursing home. I'm proud of him, The other one is a dope smoking POS. He will never look for a job or be independent because mommy does not want him to have a male role model in his life.

Sounds like a complete failure in raising a child to be an independent person.

Wasn't my raising. These were adults when I met them. FWIW, the father sounds like my critics on this thread.

I didn't say you raised them. I said it was a failure in raising the child. Your situation is different than what the OP asked about, in my mind. And was certainly different than what I was talking about.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I can see you love to argue. The fact that America was founded on Christian principles does not make it wrong. If you look objectively at when this country prospered the most, it was when the nation revered God the most.

1) Forcing your wife to have sex with you is rape. If with-holding sex is a continual thing, it is grounds for divorce

2) Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really. OTOH, my wife and I had an argument that went into yesterday. I have good credit and she doesn't. She wants a new car and I refused to co-sign as doing so reduces my ability to borrow money since I'm responsible for a $500 a month car payment.

I had bought a fixer upper to flip. Without my line of credit, I've got a pig in a poke. Now, had my wife worked with me to get that place on the market, she would have enough today to pay cash for the car. She believes the way you do. In my opinion, it wasn't a sound decision on her part to be half married

3) I think your third question is one that couples should have a discussion about BEFORE they say I do. If you do a little premarital counseling, it might help the couple decide if they really want to be married to each other. Unfortunately, that is only true IF both parties are honest with themselves and their counselor.

If I just wanted to argue, I would point out the inconsistency of you posting "I pay the bills, make sure a roof was over his head, and food in his stomach." and then "Personally, my wife makes more money than me. Is it a problem for me? Not really.". But I won't. lol

There is no inconsistency. My wife spends her money on what SHE wants to buy. I pay the bills at this house. She said it was mine when we met so it should be my responsibility.

Now, when her son came here to stay, she took him out to movies and stores, etc. but, the mortgage, utilities, insurance, food, etc., etc. are all on me. You should go back and reread the whole thread. My wife actually keeps up two sons. One is about 28, the other over 30. She pays for everything in their lives. Neither has a high school education, has held a job over 90 days, nor lived outside the care of mommy. The youngest, who has autism DID just get his driver's license and a job in a nursing home. I'm proud of him, The other one is a dope smoking POS. He will never look for a job or be independent because mommy does not want him to have a male role model in his life.

Sounds like a complete failure in raising a child to be an independent person.

Wasn't my raising. These were adults when I met them. FWIW, the father sounds like my critics on this thread.

I didn't say you raised them. I said it was a failure in raising the child. Your situation is different than what the OP asked about, in my mind. And was certainly different than what I was talking about.

I didn't start the side discussion about raising children. The only thing I can tell you from many years of experience - having married a woman who previously had children and have counseled a few - not to mention known quite a number of guys who wail and complain about their lives and being the odd man out in such a relationship, I offered my lowly opinion. If you value your sanity, self esteem and want a happy future, LOOK before you leap. I'd NEVER do it again.