World drought and Global Warming

[Old Rocks]

People collect old magazines, Old Rocks. You're a liar and you know they were talking about global cooling in the 70's.

Who's they? Bunch of fucks on this board are always talking revolution. Haven't had one yet. As pointed out, the majority of scientists publishing on the subject were predicting a warming, even then. Simply based on the physics of the absorption spectrum of the GHGs. You can look that up on google. Will do you good, you might reduce your vast ignorance a tad.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

People collect old magazines, Old Rocks. You're a liar and you know they were talking about global cooling in the 70's.

Who's they? Bunch of fucks on this board are always talking revolution. Haven't had one yet. As pointed out, the majority of scientists publishing on the subject were predicting a warming, even then. Simply based on the physics of the absorption spectrum of the GHGs. You can look that up on google. Will do you good, you might reduce your vast ignorance a tad.

You just went back on your claim. You said nobody was talking about it. And they were. So shut up, you lying scumbag. You can't even keep your lies straight.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

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No wonder you are so ignorant. So you get your science from popular news magazines. Ever consider reading the articles that the scientists actually write?

Science as projected with junk science? Pass

Every 10k years the earth goes through a natural cycle.
The sun has irregular HUGE solar storms.
The earth wobbles
the moon has a semi irregular orbit
Vulcanology
Etc.....

But let's blame it all on man.....








Dimwits

 

[frigidweirdo]

The only salvation is to turn the economy over to the EnviroMarxists perpetrating the scam

Agreed. They have already capitalized handsomely on this "humans are making the sun angry" scare.

Even if there is global warming I highly doubt humans have much of anything to do with it, so quit wasting our money.

And even if humans were the cause, what of it? You really think the world should sink trillions into this Don Qixote windmill instead of taking care of the billions suffering and dying right now? You really think China, Russia, India, Indonesia, Brazil are going to go gung ho like the leftists in the USA and cut back on whatever you demand? Our greatest efforts won't make a dent on the human factor. Move on and get serious about far, far more grave immediate concerns.

You "highly doubt humans have much of anything to do with it"? Based on what?

Even if we don't have much to do with it, we're destroying the oceans, as they're taking up a lot of this CO2.

However the question needs to be asked, what happens if the oceans release a lot of this CO2 they're holding? What then happens to the climate then?

Or, a slightly different question, what happens to all the excess CO2 once the oceans are full/dead and can't take more CO2 that we're pumping into the atmosphere. Then what?

 

[Old Rocks]

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?
Mainstream Media
What was the scientific consensus in the 1970s regarding future climate? The most cited example of 1970s cooling predictions is a 1975 Newsweek article "The Cooling World" that suggested cooling "may portend a drastic decline for food production."

"Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century."

A 1974 Time magazine article Another Ice Age? painted a similarly bleak picture:

"When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."

Peer-Reviewed Literature
However, these are media articles, not scientific studies. A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming (Peterson 2008). The large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than 1970s scientists predicting cooling, the opposite is the case.

Figure 1: Number of papers classified as predicting global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more cooling papers than warming papers (Peterson 2008).

Scientific Consensus
In the 1970s, the most comprehensive study on climate change (and the closest thing to a scientific consensus at the time) was the 1975 US National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council Report. Their basic conclusion was "…we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate…"

This is in strong contrast with the current position of the US National Academy of Sciences: "...there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring... It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities... The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action." This is in a joint statement with the Academies of Science from Brazil, France, Canada, China, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United Kingdom.

No, asshole, I did not say people were not talking about cooling. I said that the majority of scientists were saying that there would not be a major cooling, that a warming was more likely.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

The only salvation is to turn the economy over to the EnviroMarxists perpetrating the scam

Agreed. They have already capitalized handsomely on this "humans are making the sun angry" scare.

Even if there is global warming I highly doubt humans have much of anything to do with it, so quit wasting our money.

And even if humans were the cause, what of it? You really think the world should sink trillions into this Don Qixote windmill instead of taking care of the billions suffering and dying right now? You really think China, Russia, India, Indonesia, Brazil are going to go gung ho like the leftists in the USA and cut back on whatever you demand? Our greatest efforts won't make a dent on the human factor. Move on and get serious about far, far more grave immediate concerns.

You "highly doubt humans have much of anything to do with it"? Based on what?

Even if we don't have much to do with it, we're destroying the oceans, as they're taking up a lot of this CO2.

However the question needs to be asked, what happens if the oceans release a lot of this CO2 they're holding? What then happens to the climate then?

Or, a slightly different question, what happens to all the excess CO2 once the oceans are full/dead and can't take more CO2 that we're pumping into the atmosphere. Then what?

Humans may have something to do with it...but there is no hard evidence to prove it. It's mostly out of our control and always will be. You're probably a sci-fi geek....

 

[Old Rocks]

The only salvation is to turn the economy over to the EnviroMarxists perpetrating the scam

Agreed. They have already capitalized handsomely on this "humans are making the sun angry" scare.

Even if there is global warming I highly doubt humans have much of anything to do with it, so quit wasting our money.

And even if humans were the cause, what of it? You really think the world should sink trillions into this Don Qixote windmill instead of taking care of the billions suffering and dying right now? You really think China, Russia, India, Indonesia, Brazil are going to go gung ho like the leftists in the USA and cut back on whatever you demand? Our greatest efforts won't make a dent on the human factor. Move on and get serious about far, far more grave immediate concerns.

You "highly doubt humans have much of anything to do with it"? Based on what?

Even if we don't have much to do with it, we're destroying the oceans, as they're taking up a lot of this CO2.

However the question needs to be asked, what happens if the oceans release a lot of this CO2 they're holding? What then happens to the climate then?

Or, a slightly different question, what happens to all the excess CO2 once the oceans are full/dead and can't take more CO2 that we're pumping into the atmosphere. Then what?

Humans may have something to do with it...but there is no hard evidence to prove it. It's mostly out of our control and always will be. You're probably a sci-fi geek....

Dumb ass, have you ever taken any science above the third grade level? Here, once again, an opportunity to alleviate your vast ignorance. This site is created by the American Institute of Physics, that largest Scientific Society in the world.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Confusion on Climate Change
August 26, 2013

26 Aug (CANADA FREE PRESS) – Although we have been enmeshed in a long debate over global warming and climate change, there has been no warming for over 16 years. (1)

by Jack Dini

Yet you wouldn’t know this from most networks. Recent years’ slowdown in global warming was completely ignored by networks in 92 climate change stories in 2013. (2)

But this isn’t new. Sadly, the networks’ bias on climate change has been happening for decades. Many publications now claiming the world is on the brink of a global warming disaster said the same thing about an impending ice age in the 1970s. Several major ones, including The New York Times, Time magazine, and Newsweek, have reported on three or even four different climate shifts since 1895. (2)

Then there’s the issue of sea level change. Global warming and climate change are usually thought to mean that world sea levels will rise, perhaps disastrously. But according to US government scientific experts, in recent times (2010 and 2011, to be precise) phenomena driven by human carbon emissions have actually caused world sea levels to fall. According to a statement issued by the US National Science Foundation: For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters. (3)

The Arctic, we are told, is the canary in the climate coal mine. No place on the planet is supposed to warm faster. As global warming takes hold, we are really supposed to see it at the Earth’s poles. If that’s true, then we should really be opening up our minds to the real possibility of a cooling planet because summer times at the North Pole are cooling. Arctic summers can be examined going back to 1958 using data from the Danish Meteorological Institute. It turns out the 3 coldest Arctic summers have all occurred in the last 5 years. Not even the summers of the 1960s were colder. Not only is the North Pole chilling out, but so is the South Pole, which has been setting record highs for sea ice extent. (4)

Some scientists have reported that we are perhaps headed towards a mini ice age. Back in 2011 US solar physicists announced that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth—far from facing a global warming problem—is actually headed into a mini ice age. The announcement came form scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and the US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun’s recent behavior all indicated that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin. (5)

Fred Dardick reported in 2011, “We are in the midst of the convergence of three major solar, ocean, and atmospheric cycles, all heading in the direction of global cooling. Last year the Southern Hemisphere experienced its coldest winter in 50 years and Europe just went through two particularly cold winters in a row; the cooling has just begun. The likelihood of a repeat of the great frost of 1709 is growing every day.” (6)

This frost was in the time of the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715) and for periods on either side of it, many European rivers which are ice-free today—including the Thames—routinely froze over, allowing ice skating and even for armies to march across them in some cases.

What’s happened since 2011?

The effects of weak solar activity have been notable. The United Kingdom just suffered through a winter with temperatures 5 to 10 degrees C below normal, and German meteorologists report that 2013 has been the coldest year in 208 years. (1)

North Pole temperatures in 2013 have fallen below freezing way in advance of where they normally do this year. This is the coldest ever recorded by the Danish Meteorological Institute since they started looking at this in the late 1950s.

According to the Solar Influences Data Analysis Center (SIDC) in Brussels, the ‘official’ solar sunspot number (SSN) last month was 57.0. Thus it reached only 57% of the mean value of cycles 1 to 23 in the corresponding time period. If you calculate using the entire cycle 24, then we get an activity level that is only about 45% of the mean value. As Pierre Gosselin reports, “You have to go back all the way to 1827 (cycle 7) to fine a comparatively small activity like what we’ve seen since 2009.” (7)

However, in spite of all these question marks, an unreleased draft of the UN’s IPCC next major climate report states that scientists are more certain than ever that man’s actions are warming the planet—even as the report struggles to explain a slow-down in warming. As Jay Lehr has noted, “Climate change has been politically motivated, not a response to actual global warming, and the IPCC is a frontal example of this.” (1)

And the media diehard alarmist are reaching even deeper into their bag of tricks. The September 2013 National Geographic cover shows the Statue of Liberty covered in 65 m (214 ft) of water—this is 80 times more than even the highest expected sea level rise in the upcoming IPCC report.

References

1. Jay Lehr, “Cooling looms as Earth’s climate calamity,” Environment & Climate News, July 2013
2. Julia A. Seymour, “Networks do 92 climate change stories; fail to mention ‘lull’ in warming in all 92 times,” mrc.org/bias, June 25, 2013
3. Lewis Page, “Climate change made sea levels fall in 2010 and 2011,” The Register, August 20, 2013
4. P. Gosselin, “Cooling poles—top 3 coldest Arctic summers will have all occurred in the past 5 years,” notrickszone.com, July 28, 2013
5. Lewis Page, “Earth may be headed into a mini ice age within a decade,” theregister.co.uk, June 14, 2011
6. Fred Dardick, “When will science get serious about global cooling?”
7. P. Gosselin, “Solar cycle 24 weakest in almost 200 years—shows signs of an even weaker upcoming cycle 25,” notrickszone.com. August 5, 2013

 

[frigidweirdo]

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No wonder you are so ignorant. So you get your science from popular news magazines. Ever consider reading the articles that the scientists actually write?

Science as projected with junk science? Pass

Every 10k years the earth goes through a natural cycle.
The sun has irregular HUGE solar storms.
The earth wobbles
the moon has a semi irregular orbit
Vulcanology
Etc.....

But let's blame it all on man.....








Dimwits

And yet, right now it would appear that we're supposed to be getting colder. We've gone through the warm phase, now it's cooling down time. Yet we're getting warmer, why do you suppose that is?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

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No wonder you are so ignorant. So you get your science from popular news magazines. Ever consider reading the articles that the scientists actually write?

Science as projected with junk science? Pass

Every 10k years the earth goes through a natural cycle.
The sun has irregular HUGE solar storms.
The earth wobbles
the moon has a semi irregular orbit
Vulcanology
Etc.....

But let's blame it all on man.....








Dimwits

And yet, right now it would appear that we're supposed to be getting colder. We've gone through the warm phase, now it's cooling down time. Yet we're getting warmer, why do you suppose that is?

Too much hot air from liberals spouting junk science?

 

[Divine Wind]

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Another lie. "The Big Freeze" was from the 3DEC73 issue of time and dealt with fuel shortages in the middle of winter. It was about the energy crisis, not climate change. I'm not going to run around everything you say is a lie. It's sufficient for me to just know that when I do check on you, it's a fucking lie.

TIME Magazine -- U.S. Edition -- December 3, 1973 Vol. 102 No. 23

TIME Magazine Cover: The Big Freeze - Dec. 3, 1973
SHORTAGES: A Time of Learning to Live with Less
SHORTAGES: A Time of Learning to Live with Less
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Heavy with cargo, low-riding oil tankers bucked through the windblown South Atlantic last week on their way from the Persian Gulf to Philadelphia, Baltimore, Norfolk, New York and other U.S. ports. In a week or so, they will tie up at their destinations—and the U.S. will enter a sterner, more painful new era of energy shortages. These huge ships were the last to be loaded before the Arab states blocked all petroleum shipments to the U.S. in retaliation for American support of Israel.

 

[frigidweirdo]

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No wonder you are so ignorant. So you get your science from popular news magazines. Ever consider reading the articles that the scientists actually write?

Science as projected with junk science? Pass

Every 10k years the earth goes through a natural cycle.
The sun has irregular HUGE solar storms.
The earth wobbles
the moon has a semi irregular orbit
Vulcanology
Etc.....

But let's blame it all on man.....








Dimwits

And yet, right now it would appear that we're supposed to be getting colder. We've gone through the warm phase, now it's cooling down time. Yet we're getting warmer, why do you suppose that is?

Too much hot air from liberals spouting junk science?

You know, the truth is out there, no matter how much you try and ignore science, it doesn't take away from the fact that something is happening.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

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No wonder you are so ignorant. So you get your science from popular news magazines. Ever consider reading the articles that the scientists actually write?

Science as projected with junk science? Pass

Every 10k years the earth goes through a natural cycle.
The sun has irregular HUGE solar storms.
The earth wobbles
the moon has a semi irregular orbit
Vulcanology
Etc.....

But let's blame it all on man.....








Dimwits

And yet, right now it would appear that we're supposed to be getting colder. We've gone through the warm phase, now it's cooling down time. Yet we're getting warmer, why do you suppose that is?

Too much hot air from liberals spouting junk science?

You know, the truth is out there, no matter how much you try and ignore science, it doesn't take away from the fact that something is happening.

"Something" is happening.....lol

Get a grip & ditch the paranoia

 

[Ame®icano]

Still cannot believe people keep denying climate change. Some folks here think they are more knowledgeable than scientists.

Nobody is denying climate change. Denial is that climate change is primarily man made.

 

[2aguy]

Northern Africa

Tunisia goes thirsty as repeated droughts raise concerns

Ethiopia hit by worst drought in decades

"Ethiopia hit by worst drought in decades"

India

India drought: '330 million people affected' - BBC News

"
India drought: '330 million people affected'"


Curfew in Indian tech hub over deadly water protests

Southern Africa

Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe declares drought disaster - BBC News

"Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has declared a state of disaster in rural parts of the country hit by a drought."

There appears to be a lot of drought in the world at present, Southern Africa is suffering, Northern Africa is suffering, India is suffering too. Is this the effect of Global Warming? The effect of El Niño? Both, how much of this is natural and how much of this is man made?

Drought has existed in these places before. However having drought affecting so many people at the same time is going to cause a massive strain on the world soon.

All of it is natural.......only if they are denying water to people...like to California farmers, is it man made.........

 

[2aguy]

There were droughts before the supposed 'global warming' even started. Worse than these too. Global warming is bullshit.

What is bullshit is you ignoramouses denying the reality of the melting of the cryosphere, the warming of the Arctic, and believing that we can add the amount of GHGs to the atmosphere that we have without consequences.

Yes, the Earth has been warmer and colder in the past. And it is always changing. However, the rate of change is critical. In times of rapid change, we see extinctions in the geological record. And the present rate of change is equal to that of the prior major extinction periods.

Yeah..except for the 18 years where it hasn't warmed.....except for that...right?

 

[Divine Wind]

You're a faggot. Nobody cares what you think. Run along.

ROFL I know it is only a matter of time before you're busted toe-tapping in a men's restroom at a truck stop.

Add to this your lies about the Time magazine covers and it's clear to anyone with an IQ over moron that you are a liar and, IMO, a homophobic latent homosexual.

I hear it takes one to know one....but your fagdar is wrong.

I see what you are doing. You are such a scared little pussy that knows he is wrong about everything and I always prove you to be the absolute moron that you are, so you are trying to get me to put you on ignore. Not gonna happen. You're the ball of yarn and I'm the cat slapping you around, little guy. You're going to have to leave this site to get rid of me. Lol

ROFLMAO!

Shut up faggot. Everyone here knows I hate fags...you're not telling anyone anything new. Now get back to the discussion and quit changing the subject like you always do when you can't win an argument.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

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No wonder you are so ignorant. So you get your science from popular news magazines. Ever consider reading the articles that the scientists actually write?

Science as projected with junk science? Pass

Every 10k years the earth goes through a natural cycle.
The sun has irregular HUGE solar storms.
The earth wobbles
the moon has a semi irregular orbit
Vulcanology
Etc.....

But let's blame it all on man.....








Dimwits

And yet, right now it would appear that we're supposed to be getting colder. We've gone through the warm phase, now it's cooling down time. Yet we're getting warmer, why do you suppose that is?

Natural climate change

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

You're a faggot. Nobody cares what you think. Run along.

ROFL I know it is only a matter of time before you're busted toe-tapping in a men's restroom at a truck stop.

Add to this your lies about the Time magazine covers and it's clear to anyone with an IQ over moron that you are a liar and, IMO, a homophobic latent homosexual.

I hear it takes one to know one....but your fagdar is wrong.

I see what you are doing. You are such a scared little pussy that knows he is wrong about everything and I always prove you to be the absolute moron that you are, so you are trying to get me to put you on ignore. Not gonna happen. You're the ball of yarn and I'm the cat slapping you around, little guy. You're going to have to leave this site to get rid of me. Lol

ROFLMAO!

Shut up faggot. Everyone here knows I hate fags...you're not telling anyone anything new. Now get back to the discussion and quit changing the subject like you always do when you can't win an argument.

Hey moron... Why do you keep posting pictures of scantily clad, beautiful women? It doesn't offend me and I doubt it would even offend a faggot. Are you compensating for your own latent faggotry? Probably.


Now, please prove the math is wrong and that the entire world's population cannot fit into the state of Texas..

The Entire World Population can Sink into the State of Texas

Show us that supposed intelligence you claim to have and quit queefing all over the thread with your diarrheal wind. Unless you're a coward and have nothing worth saying.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Fag....run along. Nobody cares about you. Not even your wife.

 

[Divine Wind]

Nothing to worry about except that many people will suffer, many animals will die out, and the like.

It's been that way through the ages. The planet has been through a lot worse. It will survive this too.