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Originally posted by Big D
One must ask, if white racism and segregation are still blighting the lives of blacks and Hispanics, should that not be a terrible obstacle for Asians as well?
Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from getting ahead. In 1790, Congress denied citizenship for anyone who was not a free white person. In 1870, blacks could become citizens, but not Asians. In 1879, California continued to deny the vote to natives of China, idiots and insane persons. (Wall Street Journal, April 7, 1989)
Chinese started coming to the United States in the 1850s and were charged a $55 immigrant fee, a unique business license fee, and in San Francisco, a fee only for Chinese laundry owners.
Japan did not allow emigration until 1885 and most Japanese U.S. immigrants were shunted into jobs as unskilled field hands and lived in squalor. They, too, worked for less than the prevailing wage. Californians quickly passed a law to keep out Japanese.
Anti-Asian feelings were furthered by The Japanese and Korean Exclusion League, founded in San Francisco in 1905. In 1907, President Roosevelt persuaded the Japanese government to halt Japanese immigration to the United States. In 1913, the California legislature voted, by an overwhelming majority, to prohibit ownership of farmland by noncitizens. The U.S. Supreme Court concurred, and 10 more states passed similar laws. None of this stopped the Japanese from succeeding in the United States.
Pimentel also suggests a continuation of affirmative action, the unconstitutional race preference scheme that favored low-scoring blacks and Hispanics over high-scoring Asians and whites in University of California admissions. Even Californias liberal voters saw the need to halt this practice. In 1996, while helping return Bill Clinton to office, California passed Proposition 209, the ballot initiative that outlaws the use of race, sex, or ethnicity in hiring and university admissions.
Some people have argued that Asian immigrants have the advantage of starting out fresh when they get to America, whereas blacks must constantly drag the baggage of slavery and oppression behind them.
This obviously does not apply to the descendants of Asians who came to America more than a century ago practically in bondage and who, in many cases, were treated as badly as blacks. If racism is such an obstacle to success in America, why have Asians overcome it while blacks and Hispanics still suffer, as Pimentel claims?
http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories/opinion/1042516497.shtml
Originally posted by OCA
You and this idiotic shit about Asians. Their discrimination pretty much ended at the beginning of the 20th century, haven't seen any pictures of them swinging from trees or being herded into ghettoes like the government has done to the Blacks. They were accepted by whites whereas Blacks have never been nor will they I believe be accepted on the whole as equals. This country was founded by racists, I reassert that its as American as baseball and hot dogs.
But the fact is that Asians were discriminated against, so with your theory that groups that are discriminated against will do poorly, Asians should not be doing that well. But, the fact is that Asians are doing even better then whites in the U.S.Originally posted by OCA
You and this idiotic shit about Asians. Their discrimination pretty much ended at the beginning of the 20th century, haven't seen any pictures of them swinging from trees or being herded into ghettoes like the government has done to the Blacks. They were accepted by whites whereas Blacks have never been nor will they I believe be accepted on the whole as equals. This country was founded by racists, I reassert that its as American as baseball and hot dogs.
Originally posted by OCA
How many foriegn countries have you been to? LOL LMAO!
Oh man thats like saying that the American lifestyle is the best on earth. Its a crock of shit! America has the best economic opportunities there is no doubt about that, you can make a shitload of money here like nowhere else and the gadgets we have here can make those few personal hours you have each day a breeze. But then there is the adage that is true here, we live to work not work to live, you get if your lucky a week or two each year for a vacation from your job and a couple of personal or sick days to use WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT! Most workers in other countries get a month off or so to do some traveling plus they are not forced to work 12-16 hrs a day as people here are in some instances just to survive. This isn't to mention all the crime, drugs, homelessness etc. etc. that are prevalent here. Don't be blinded to America being the end all to be all, open your eyes a little bit to other ways of life. This isn't saying that I don't love this country its just that I recognize it has many faults.
Tolerance? Just look at some members of this board and tell me thats true. Its not a fact, the government still actively discriminates against minorities on a daily basis.
Originally posted by Big D
But the fact is that Asians were discriminated against, so with your theory that groups that are discriminated against will do poorly, Asians should not be doing that well. But, the fact is that Asians are doing even better then whites in the U.S.
It is also a fact that Asians have a higher average IQ then whites.
Originally posted by OCA
Again after their discrimination ended and they assimilated into society were they herded in a CONSCIENTIOUS effort on the part of authorities into ghettoes and low paying jobs? No, I say that America had to keep good relations with the countries these people came from and gave them opportunity and opened up to them unlike the Blacks who most couldn't remember where they came from and i'm not sure that the African nations even gave a damn about them.
Its not about discrimination in the past, duscrimination against Blacks never ended thats why they are where they are today. Just look at every time a Black person succeeds, he's called an uncle Tom and told that he wouldn't be where he is if some white kid hadn't been screwed over, think thats not discrimination?
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Oh it's the best, of that there is no doubt. Those EU vacation economies can only exist because they only need a token military. They rely on us for their defense.
Plus, you only have to work hard if you need status symbols. If you're happy with less, you don't have to work as hard.
A few members here are hardly a representative sample.
Originally posted by Big D
Why do you think discrimination ended for Asians and not for blacks and hispanics?
I belive Asians have been treated far worse in this county then hispanics. Why the are hispanics doing so poorly?
Originally posted by OCA
Lets get 1 thing straight, you cannot just work an 8hr day in America and expect to pay your bills and put some money aside, it just doesn't happen unless you live in a 300 a month shithole or similar. You have to bust your ass in America to make it nowadays, basically you sell most of your time to pay your bills and eat here. As for the military thing not exactly sure where that came in, Greece for example has 0 or maybe just a small less than 1000 U.S. servicemen there. They don't get shit from America militarily or otherwise, they provide for their own defense, without a socialist government, (the current government is from the Nea Dimokratia party, their equivalent of Republicans), their are no homeless, very little crime, very few people have mortgages, very few have car payments and almost nobody works 12-16 hrs a day. In fact everybody there at 5 or 6 in the evening hangs out with their neighbors enjoying some food and drink. How many people in America even know their neighbors much less hang out with them?
Originally posted by Big D
Why do you think discrimination ended for Asians and not for blacks and hispanics?
I belive Asians have been treated far worse in this county then hispanics. Why the are hispanics doing so poorly?
Originally posted by OCA
The thing is I know a shitload of rich Hispanics so I don't believe that they are doing poorly. Of course if you are going to focus on the guy who just came over the border and ignore Hispanics who've been here a while....................
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
You know some rich hispanics so they must be doing well? You really have no grasp of the science of statistics.
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
I've done it. You've let the little lady push you into something you can't afford again.
Move there, then.
So the hispanics who have lived in a majority white country, are doing better then the hispanics in a majority hispanic country.Originally posted by OCA
The thing is I know a shitload of rich Hispanics so I don't believe that they are doing poorly. Of course if you are going to focus on the guy who just came over the border and ignore Hispanics who've been here a while....................
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Yeah. and liberals say it. And liberals have your view on aa as well.
Quote from Big D just minutes ago:Originally posted by NewGuy
Big D, Since I have proven you have no foundation to anything regarding this issue, how about letting us know how you came to believe in white supremacy as you see it.....not for the sake of ridicule, but for understanding.
I am very curious as to why you believe what you do. It had to start somewhere. I am curious what led you down this road.
Originally posted by Big D
So the hispanics who have lived in a majority white country, are doing better then the hispanics in a majority hispanic country.
How well are blacks doing in country's that are majority blacks, compared to this "racist" country like the U.S.
Originally posted by OCA
You are as predictable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, when you run out of arguments you go to the good ol' liberal claim.
