Without the United States, what would the world look like?

[rdean]

I think a better question is, "Without the Republicans, what would the United States look like?"

You wish.

Without Republicans, our budget would be balanced.

We would never have invaded Iraq and turned it into another Iran.

We wouldn't be in court fighting lawsuits because nutbags want to teach "magical creation".

The average level of education would skyrocket.

Government would stay out of people's bedrooms.

We wouldn't have the patriot act with government spying on Americans.

Bin Laden would probably be dead.

New Orleans would be rebuilt.

There would have been no economic collapse.

The list is endless.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A better scenario would hae been what if we had listened to Conservatives of the 30's and 40s who advocated a hands off foreign policy and free market response to the Depression

The US economy would hae floundered, we would have remained an isolationist second rate power while either Germany, Russia or Japan filled the power void. We would still maintain a Monroe Doctrine control oer the Americas but the Soviets would have controlled Europe and Japan would have controlled Asia

The US stepping up and filling the power vacuum created by the war made us an economic and military super power

Lies LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES

Free Market response ended the 1920 Recession in a year. Hoover Central Planning deepened the later recession and FDR turned it into a depression

Here's the FDR data set, show me when Progressive Central Planning ended the Great Depression

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%.

Still eating that Right Wing revisionist nonsense that the recession of the early 20s was the same magnitude of the Great Depression of the 30s?

It was Coolidges blindness to big business and financial industry excesses that dumped the Depression on poor Hoover

After Harding, Collidge and Hoover.......nobody elected a Republican president for 20 years

Who could blame them

Lies and ignorance, then again, how else can you possibly ignore Harding's cutting government and taxes ended a severe recession in a year wile Hoover and FDR outdid the 7 Biblical Lean Year. You have to lie. You may not know you're lying, you were trained like a monkey to give your responses, but now that I've pointed it out at least 30 times you HAVE to know you're lying

And you still can't show us when Great FDR rescued us from the Depression.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think a better question is, "Without the Republicans, what would the United States look like?"

You wish.

Without Republicans, our budget would be balanced.

We would never have invaded Iraq and turned it into another Iran.

We wouldn't be in court fighting lawsuits because nutbags want to teach "magical creation".

The average level of education would skyrocket.

Government would stay out of people's bedrooms.

We wouldn't have the patriot act with government spying on Americans.

Bin Laden would probably be dead.

New Orleans would be rebuilt.

There would have been no economic collapse.

The list is endless.

How are things in Haiti?

We have a $1.5 TRILLION Deficit and almost 10% unemployment and Dems run EVERYTHING!

 

[geauxtohell]

Overall, we've been a force for good.

We haven't been as good as the jingoists claim.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I think a better question is, "Without the Republicans, what would the United States look like?"

You wish.

Actually deany, one party rule is your wish, not mind.

 

[rdean]

Overall, we've been a force for good.

We haven't been as good as the jingoists claim.

Any examples?

 

[rdean]

You wish.

Without Republicans, our budget would be balanced.

We would never have invaded Iraq and turned it into another Iran.

We wouldn't be in court fighting lawsuits because nutbags want to teach "magical creation".

The average level of education would skyrocket.

Government would stay out of people's bedrooms.

We wouldn't have the patriot act with government spying on Americans.

Bin Laden would probably be dead.

New Orleans would be rebuilt.

There would have been no economic collapse.

The list is endless.

How are things in Haiti?

We have a $1.5 TRILLION Deficit and almost 10% unemployment and Dems run EVERYTHING!

A deficit Republicans gave us.

Sure, Democrats had the majority for the last two years of the Bush administration, if you could call it that. The Senate was 49 to 49 with two independents and Democrats were blocked from passing everything.

The current mess is from those six years Republicans were in charge of EVERYTHING.

No way to deny it. Republican tax cuts were passed, drug bills passed, everything deregulated.

Now look at the mess. No fucking way can you deny it. The facts are RIGHT THERE!

 

[Toro]

What would the world look like if America didn't exist?

There'd be a big ocean between Canada and Mexico.

 

[Toro]

A better scenario would hae been what if we had listened to Conservatives of the 30's and 40s who advocated a hands off foreign policy and free market response to the Depression

The US economy would hae floundered, we would have remained an isolationist second rate power while either Germany, Russia or Japan filled the power void. We would still maintain a Monroe Doctrine control oer the Americas but the Soviets would have controlled Europe and Japan would have controlled Asia

The US stepping up and filling the power vacuum created by the war made us an economic and military super power

Lies LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES

Free Market response ended the 1920 Recession in a year. Hoover Central Planning deepened the later recession and FDR turned it into a depression

Here's the FDR data set, show me when Progressive Central Planning ended the Great Depression

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%.

Still eating that Right Wing revisionist nonsense that the recession of the early 20s was the same magnitude of the Great Depression of the 30s?

It was Coolidges blindness to big business and financial industry excesses that dumped the Depression on poor Hoover

After Harding, Collidge and Hoover.......nobody elected a Republican president for 20 years

Who could blame them

Hoover's budget deficit was something like 1% of GDP, far less than under Reagan and Bush. Regulations were also much greater under Reagan and Bush than under Hoover. That's what must have caused the Great Depressions of 1981-1989 and 2001-2009.

Oops...

 

[cad]

let's go back further, to the start of the 20th century. where would we be without america?

let's see, what would life be like without the airconditioner, the airplane, windshield wipers, tractors, synthetic plastic, helicopters, the production line, motion pictures, tanks, bras, modern zippers, toaster oven, short=waved radios, traffic signals, rockets, canned beer, photocopiers, the internet, etc etc etc.

now would those things (and hundreds of thousands more) have eventually been invented somewhere else. probably.

but i doubt any of us would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for a robust america.

 

[Dr Grump]

Or like this but the people would be mostly indigenous since the inbreds would have been wiped off the map before stealing the island.
YouTube - Tourism New Zealand "If you've been waiting" commerical

Actually without America NZ would have still been in the top 10 wealthiest nations, or an identical copy of Sweden, Denmark or something. The only problem is that it would be like South Africa today as in the vast majority of the natives in poverty, starving and astronomical crime rates. Or worst case scenario it would be a communist state.

That's a long bow...America has has little to do with America in that regard. More to do with Britain....who were probably the best colonisers of the lot....

 

[Dr Grump]

let's go back further, to the start of the 20th century. where would we be without america?

let's see, what would life be like without the airconditioner, the airplane, windshield wipers, tractors, synthetic plastic, helicopters, the production line, motion pictures, tanks, bras, modern zippers, toaster oven, short=waved radios, traffic signals, rockets, canned beer, photocopiers, the internet, etc etc etc.

now would those things (and hundreds of thousands more) have eventually been invented somewhere else. probably.

but i doubt any of us would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for a robust america.

Without doubt, a robust America is good for the world. Doesn't mean you get a free pass....

 

[rdean]

let's go back further, to the start of the 20th century. where would we be without america?

let's see, what would life be like without the airconditioner, the airplane, windshield wipers, tractors, synthetic plastic, helicopters, the production line, motion pictures, tanks, bras, modern zippers, toaster oven, short=waved radios, traffic signals, rockets, canned beer, photocopiers, the internet, etc etc etc.

now would those things (and hundreds of thousands more) have eventually been invented somewhere else. probably.

but i doubt any of us would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for a robust america.

Everything you listed was invented by some kind of scientist. The odds are 94 to 6 that it was a "liberal".

 

[PoliticalChic]

A better scenario would hae been what if we had listened to Conservatives of the 30's and 40s who advocated a hands off foreign policy and free market response to the Depression

The US economy would hae floundered, we would have remained an isolationist second rate power while either Germany, Russia or Japan filled the power void. We would still maintain a Monroe Doctrine control oer the Americas but the Soviets would have controlled Europe and Japan would have controlled Asia

The US stepping up and filling the power vacuum created by the war made us an economic and military super power

Lies LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES

Free Market response ended the 1920 Recession in a year. Hoover Central Planning deepened the later recession and FDR turned it into a depression

Here's the FDR data set, show me when Progressive Central Planning ended the Great Depression

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%.

Still eating that Right Wing revisionist nonsense that the recession of the early 20s was the same magnitude of the Great Depression of the 30s?

It was Coolidges blindness to big business and financial industry excesses that dumped the Depression on poor Hoover

After Harding, Collidge and Hoover.......nobody elected a Republican president for 20 years

Who could blame them

1. America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged. Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. Harding’s Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 provided a unified federal budget for the first time in American history. The act established (1) the Bureau of the Budget with a budget director responsible to the president, and (2) the General Accounting Office to help cut wasteful spending.

5. Federal spending was cut from $6.3 billion in 1920 to $5 billion in 1921 and $3.2 billion in 1922. Federal taxes were cut from $6.6 billion in 1920 to $5.5 billion in 1921 and $4 billion in 1922. Harding’s policies started a trend. The low point for federal taxes was reached in 1924. For federal spending, in 1925. The federal government paid off debt, which had been $24.2 billion in 1920, and it continued to decline until 1930.

6. Conspicuously absent was business-bashing that became a hallmark of FDR’s speeches. Absent, too, were New Deal–type big government programs to make it more expensive for employers to hire people, to force prices above market levels, to promote cartels and monopolies. Frederick Lewis Allen wrote, "Business itself was regarded with a new veneration. Once it had been considered less dignified and distinguished than the learned professions, but now people thought they praised a clergyman highly when they called him a good business man."

7. With Harding’s tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy, the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway! The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime.

8. "The seven years from the autumn of 1922 to the autumn of 1929," wrote Vedder and Gallaway, "were arguably the brightest period in the economic history of the United States. Virtually all the measures of economic well-being suggested that the economy had reached new heights in terms of prosperity and the achievement of improvements in human welfare. Real gross national product increased every year, consumer prices were stable (as measured by the consumer price index), real wages rose as a consequence of productivity advance, stock prices tripled. Automobile production in 1929 was almost precisely double the level of 1922. It was in the twenties that Americans bought their first car, their first radio, made their first long-distance telephone call, took their first out-of-state vacation. This was the decade when America entered ‘the age of mass consumption.’"

9. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

 

[cad]

let's go back further, to the start of the 20th century. where would we be without america?

let's see, what would life be like without the airconditioner, the airplane, windshield wipers, tractors, synthetic plastic, helicopters, the production line, motion pictures, tanks, bras, modern zippers, toaster oven, short=waved radios, traffic signals, rockets, canned beer, photocopiers, the internet, etc etc etc.

now would those things (and hundreds of thousands more) have eventually been invented somewhere else. probably.

but i doubt any of us would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for a robust america.

Everything you listed was invented by some kind of scientist. The odds are 94 to 6 that it was a "liberal".

first off, where are you pulling those "odds" from, other than your ass?
secondly, WTF is your point? refer to the title of this post you idiot.

 

[cad]

Deaths attributed to Hitler's Nazi Germany - tens of millions
Deaths attributed to Stalin's Communist USSR - 15-20 million
Deaths attributed to Mao's Communist China - 20+ million
Deaths attributed to Imperial Japan - 10+ milion

Has the US caused suffering in many regions throughout the world? Yes. Would the above regimes have been stronger without a strong US? I think so.

 

[Dr Grump]

Deaths attributed to Hitler's Nazi Germany - tens of millions
Deaths attributed to Stalin's Communist USSR - 15-20 million
Deaths attributed to Mao's Communist China - 20+ million
Deaths attributed to Imperial Japan - 10+ milion

Has the US caused suffering in many regions throughout the world? Yes. Would the above regimes have been stronger without a strong US? I think so.

 

[rdean]

let's go back further, to the start of the 20th century. where would we be without america?

let's see, what would life be like without the airconditioner, the airplane, windshield wipers, tractors, synthetic plastic, helicopters, the production line, motion pictures, tanks, bras, modern zippers, toaster oven, short=waved radios, traffic signals, rockets, canned beer, photocopiers, the internet, etc etc etc.

now would those things (and hundreds of thousands more) have eventually been invented somewhere else. probably.

but i doubt any of us would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for a robust america.

Everything you listed was invented by some kind of scientist. The odds are 94 to 6 that it was a "liberal".

first off, where are you pulling those "odds" from, other than your ass?
secondly, WTF is your point? refer to the title of this post you idiot.

PEW reports that only 6% of scientists identify themselves as "Republican" and less than 9% as conservative.

Since the goal of conservatives is the opposite of enlightenment, of course it's no surprise.

The greatest science centers are based in Blue states so it should be no surprise. Especially since those in Red states want to push mysticism and the occult over science. It's just the way it is. What can you expect from those that believe the "supernatural" is "real"?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Everything you listed was invented by some kind of scientist. The odds are 94 to 6 that it was a "liberal".

first off, where are you pulling those "odds" from, other than your ass?
secondly, WTF is your point? refer to the title of this post you idiot.

PEW reports that only 6% of scientists identify themselves as "Republican" and less than 9% as conservative.

Since the goal of conservatives is the opposite of enlightenment, of course it's no surprise.

The greatest science centers are based in Blue states so it should be no surprise. Especially since those in Red states want to push mysticism and the occult over science. It's just the way it is. What can you expect from those that believe the "supernatural" is "real"?

94% of Rdean's posts are a waste of electrons.

I have reviewed the above and can state with a 99.9999% degree of confidence that it's a waste of electrons

 

[rdean]

first off, where are you pulling those "odds" from, other than your ass?
secondly, WTF is your point? refer to the title of this post you idiot.

PEW reports that only 6% of scientists identify themselves as "Republican" and less than 9% as conservative.

Since the goal of conservatives is the opposite of enlightenment, of course it's no surprise.

The greatest science centers are based in Blue states so it should be no surprise. Especially since those in Red states want to push mysticism and the occult over science. It's just the way it is. What can you expect from those that believe the "supernatural" is "real"?

94% of Rdean's posts are a waste of electrons.

I have reviewed the above and can state with a 99.9999% degree of confidence that it's a waste of electrons

The truth hurts. Poor thing.

Hey, ever figure out what "nutrition" means?