Will Trump end up alienating his core support?

[Derideo_Te]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

You're confusing or at least conflating territorial jurisdiction with citizenship. But I'm not surprised given that your IQ is 1/2 mine.

Prove it, lackwit.

Provide the legal and constitutional basis demonstrating that the 14th Amendment does not apply to anyone with the jurisdiction of the USA.

 

[BULLDOG]

Political assumptions are a dangerous thing but lefties live on assumption. I don't recall any analysis of Trump's so-called "core" support probably because he doesn't have a core. People like the straightforward way he speaks even if they don't totally agree with everything he says. Trump's support certainly isn't strictly among the so-called "right wing" of the republican party. It runs through a broad spectrum and it remains to be seen if it will hold up under the assault by practically the entire media.

There is no broad spectrum of republicans. You have right wing, and that's it.

 

[Derideo_Te]

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.

Onus is on you to invent your own "context" and prove that it is the Law of the Land, dullard.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Trump, after Republican pledge, breaks from pack on Iran, gay marriage

Trump's core support are right wing Republicans.

Generally they are against the Iran deal. Trump has said he would work with it.

Generally they are in favor of Kim Davis' defying of the the US Constitution. Trump has said she should obey the law.

""We are a nation of laws," Trump said. "The decision's been made, and that's the law of the land.""

Trump also was more positive towards accepting refugees from Syria, when core Republican support is anti-Muslim and anti-immigration, which would be both of these.

So, will Trump lose his core support before the primaries simply because he's just not actually that right wing?

The real question is will lefties continue to lose their minds over trumps every word.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't think so , whats better than Trump at least if you take his words on illegal immigration , rebuilding the military and guarding the borders seriously . And that just 3 reasons that I'll support Trump but they are enough . I mean 'jebito' and the other rinos can't compete with Trump . Cruz perhaps but if Cruz gets the nomination , well I as a Trump supporter will support Cruz 'FWierdo' !! No other 'rino' will get my support or vote !!

"Working with" the Iran deal does NOT mean you accept their deal. It means you accept the idea NOT what Kerry traded for.

In the business world "working with" does not mean accept. Nor does it mean you accept the idea. All it means is he'll do something with it. One way to work with something is to call it a first draft.. and start making edits.

The deal is done. There will be no calling everybody back to the negotiating table.

 

[jillian]

Trump, after Republican pledge, breaks from pack on Iran, gay marriage

Trump's core support are right wing Republicans.

Generally they are against the Iran deal. Trump has said he would work with it.

Generally they are in favor of Kim Davis' defying of the the US Constitution. Trump has said she should obey the law.

""We are a nation of laws," Trump said. "The decision's been made, and that's the law of the land.""

Trump also was more positive towards accepting refugees from Syria, when core Republican support is anti-Muslim and anti-immigration, which would be both of these.

So, will Trump lose his core support before the primaries simply because he's just not actually that right wing?

I suspect that the bulk of his core are not social conservatives because he would have alienated them earlier with his bogus nonsense about the wine and the crackers.

Instead I think that they are more fiscal conservatives that mindlessly hate government. The "keep your government hands off my medicare" idiots.

So he won't lose them unless he starts talking about raising taxes.

which he's already talking about

 

[RKMBrown]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

You're confusing or at least conflating territorial jurisdiction with citizenship. But I'm not surprised given that your IQ is 1/2 mine.

Prove it, lackwit.

Provide the legal and constitutional basis demonstrating that the 14th Amendment does not apply to anyone with the jurisdiction of the USA.

Huh? What makes you think a Mexican citizen becomes bound to the jurisdiction of the USA and not Mexico when he places his foot over the border? ROFL What makes you think a child born to two mexican citizens is not a Mexican if born in the USA? ROFL

 

[RKMBrown]

I don't think so , whats better than Trump at least if you take his words on illegal immigration , rebuilding the military and guarding the borders seriously . And that just 3 reasons that I'll support Trump but they are enough . I mean 'jebito' and the other rinos can't compete with Trump . Cruz perhaps but if Cruz gets the nomination , well I as a Trump supporter will support Cruz 'FWierdo' !! No other 'rino' will get my support or vote !!

"Working with" the Iran deal does NOT mean you accept their deal. It means you accept the idea NOT what Kerry traded for.

In the business world "working with" does not mean accept. Nor does it mean you accept the idea. All it means is he'll do something with it. One way to work with something is to call it a first draft.. and start making edits.

The deal is done. There will be no calling everybody back to the negotiating table.

meh.. deals can broken. They are broken all the time.

 

[Jackson]

Trump, after Republican pledge, breaks from pack on Iran, gay marriage

Trump's core support are right wing Republicans.

Generally they are against the Iran deal. Trump has said he would work with it.

Generally they are in favor of Kim Davis' defying of the the US Constitution. Trump has said she should obey the law.

""We are a nation of laws," Trump said. "The decision's been made, and that's the law of the land.""

Trump also was more positive towards accepting refugees from Syria, when core Republican support is anti-Muslim and anti-immigration, which would be both of these.

So, will Trump lose his core support before the primaries simply because he's just not actually that right wing?

The Iran deal has already passed through Congress. He has no choice but to honor it, but you can bet there will be inspectors.

I am a conservative and believe that Davis had a job to do and should just do it or resign. Not all conservatives are irrational religious zealots.

Conservatives are not against immigration, they are against illegal immigration.

Don't think Trump will lose any support. Not now at least. If he loses support now, it will be from talking not like a president, but talking like a jerk. He has to tone down how much everyone loves him, lol.

 

[jillian]

I don't think so , whats better than Trump at least if you take his words on illegal immigration , rebuilding the military and guarding the borders seriously . And that just 3 reasons that I'll support Trump but they are enough . I mean 'jebito' and the other rinos can't compete with Trump . Cruz perhaps but if Cruz gets the nomination , well I as a Trump supporter will support Cruz 'FWierdo' !! No other 'rino' will get my support or vote !!

"Working with" the Iran deal does NOT mean you accept their deal. It means you accept the idea NOT what Kerry traded for.

In the business world "working with" does not mean accept. Nor does it mean you accept the idea. All it means is he'll do something with it. One way to work with something is to call it a first draft.. and start making edits.

there is no "first draft". there is no more editing. what are you talking about"? the rest of the relevant countries have signed on. our participation is almost meaningless except as a show of unanimity.

 

[RKMBrown]

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.

Onus is on you to invent your own "context" and prove that it is the Law of the Land, dullard.

The context of the 14th was written at the close of the civil war. I don't need to invent it. All I have to do is read it.

 

[jillian]

I don't think so , whats better than Trump at least if you take his words on illegal immigration , rebuilding the military and guarding the borders seriously . And that just 3 reasons that I'll support Trump but they are enough . I mean 'jebito' and the other rinos can't compete with Trump . Cruz perhaps but if Cruz gets the nomination , well I as a Trump supporter will support Cruz 'FWierdo' !! No other 'rino' will get my support or vote !!

"Working with" the Iran deal does NOT mean you accept their deal. It means you accept the idea NOT what Kerry traded for.

In the business world "working with" does not mean accept. Nor does it mean you accept the idea. All it means is he'll do something with it. One way to work with something is to call it a first draft.. and start making edits.

The deal is done. There will be no calling everybody back to the negotiating table.

meh.. deals can broken. They are broken all the time.[/QUOTE

putz.... again our participation is irrelevant and we would only be embarrassed if we dropped out.

 

[RKMBrown]

I don't think so , whats better than Trump at least if you take his words on illegal immigration , rebuilding the military and guarding the borders seriously . And that just 3 reasons that I'll support Trump but they are enough . I mean 'jebito' and the other rinos can't compete with Trump . Cruz perhaps but if Cruz gets the nomination , well I as a Trump supporter will support Cruz 'FWierdo' !! No other 'rino' will get my support or vote !!

"Working with" the Iran deal does NOT mean you accept their deal. It means you accept the idea NOT what Kerry traded for.

In the business world "working with" does not mean accept. Nor does it mean you accept the idea. All it means is he'll do something with it. One way to work with something is to call it a first draft.. and start making edits.

there is no "first draft". there is no more editing. what are you talking about"? the rest of the relevant countries have signed on. our participation is almost meaningless except as a show of unanimity.

Meh.. all we have to do is elect a president with balls.

 

[jillian]

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.

Onus is on you to invent your own "context" and prove that it is the Law of the Land, dullard.

The context of the 14th was written at the close of the civil war. I don't need to invent it. All I have to do is read it.

the 14th guarantees birthright citizenship.

end of story.

 

[Derideo_Te]

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

You're confusing or at least conflating territorial jurisdiction with citizenship. But I'm not surprised given that your IQ is 1/2 mine.

Prove it, lackwit.

Provide the legal and constitutional basis demonstrating that the 14th Amendment does not apply to anyone with the jurisdiction of the USA.

Huh? What makes you think a Mexican citizen becomes bound to the jurisdiction of the USA and not Mexico when he places his foot over the border? ROFL What makes you think a child born to two mexican citizens is not a Mexican if born in the USA? ROFL

What makes you so stupid as to imagine that the cops in the USA cannot arrest a British/German/Japanese/Egyptian citizen who is on US soil?

 

[jillian]

I don't think so , whats better than Trump at least if you take his words on illegal immigration , rebuilding the military and guarding the borders seriously . And that just 3 reasons that I'll support Trump but they are enough . I mean 'jebito' and the other rinos can't compete with Trump . Cruz perhaps but if Cruz gets the nomination , well I as a Trump supporter will support Cruz 'FWierdo' !! No other 'rino' will get my support or vote !!

"Working with" the Iran deal does NOT mean you accept their deal. It means you accept the idea NOT what Kerry traded for.

In the business world "working with" does not mean accept. Nor does it mean you accept the idea. All it means is he'll do something with it. One way to work with something is to call it a first draft.. and start making edits.

there is no "first draft". there is no more editing. what are you talking about"? the rest of the relevant countries have signed on. our participation is almost meaningless except as a show of unanimity.

Meh.. all we have to do is elect a president with balls.

your wishful thinking has no basis in reality.

but you can feel free to blather and spew all you want to.

 

[Derideo_Te]

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.

Onus is on you to invent your own "context" and prove that it is the Law of the Land, dullard.

The context of the 14th was written at the close of the civil war. I don't need to invent it. All I have to do is read it.

Too bad you lack the comprehension to understand what you are reading.

 

[jillian]

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

You're confusing or at least conflating territorial jurisdiction with citizenship. But I'm not surprised given that your IQ is 1/2 mine.

Prove it, lackwit.

Provide the legal and constitutional basis demonstrating that the 14th Amendment does not apply to anyone with the jurisdiction of the USA.

Huh? What makes you think a Mexican citizen becomes bound to the jurisdiction of the USA and not Mexico when he places his foot over the border? ROFL What makes you think a child born to two mexican citizens is not a Mexican if born in the USA? ROFL

the 14th amendment oh braindead one.

 

[RKMBrown]

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.

Onus is on you to invent your own "context" and prove that it is the Law of the Land, dullard.

The context of the 14th was written at the close of the civil war. I don't need to invent it. All I have to do is read it.

the 14th guarantees birthright citizenship.

end of story.

Link? Birthright citizenship was not discussed until after the 14th way after.. when some dumb ass libtard at the state department, name unknown, decided to re-interpret the 14th and congress ignored the change.

 

[RKMBrown]

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.

Onus is on you to invent your own "context" and prove that it is the Law of the Land, dullard.

The context of the 14th was written at the close of the civil war. I don't need to invent it. All I have to do is read it.

Too bad you lack the comprehension to understand what you are reading.

Meh... again... just because you are an idiot, does not mean everyone else is too.