Will Trump end up alienating his core support?

[Statistikhengst]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

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[RKMBrown]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

 

[Derideo_Te]

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

You're confusing or at least conflating territorial jurisdiction with citizenship. But I'm not surprised given that your IQ is 1/2 mine.

Prove it, lackwit.

Provide the legal and constitutional basis demonstrating that the 14th Amendment does not apply to anyone with the jurisdiction of the USA.

They need to point out to Lindsey Graham that he is stupid....that there is no need to change the 14th Amendment......because the 14th Amendment doesn't really say what we thought it said, (according to the neo-con-genuises).....


But now at least one prominent Republican lawmaker wants to change the 14th Amendment to the Constitution which grants American citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil.

"Birthright citizenship I think is a mistake," Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told Fox News last week. "We should change our Constitution and say if you come here illegally and you have a child, that child's automatically not a citizen."
Immigration Loophole? GOP Targets 14th Amendment

Exactly!

The problem is that they are all over the map with this. They really don't have a coherent message as to how to amend it so that it won't be unconstitutional.

 

[Derideo_Te]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

 

[Auld Phart]

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

and any children I had would NOT be Peruvian, Salvadorian, etc.

 

[Mertex]

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law.

You fucking idiot......please explain exactly what you mean "no longer subject to US jurisdictional law" - because even though no one here has even mentioned that, you are reaching for straws and making comments that don't even make sense.

When you travel abroad....you are subject to the laws of the country you are visiting. Just because the US may not have a law against something you do in another country doesn't mean that you will be excused if that country has a law against it. So you are a real idiot if you think that the laws in the United States are going to trump the laws of another country when you visit another country.

ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

So the real moron here is no one but you.....because the gist of this conversation is whether or not the 14th Amendment grants everyone born here US citizenship, and all you can do is bring in other countries and try to make up shit that nobody has said. If someone made that comment, please point it out, otherwise admit you are a complete moron.

 

[DarkFury]

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law.

You fucking idiot......please explain exactly what you mean "no longer subject to US jurisdictional law" - because even though no one here has even mentioned that, you are reaching for straws and making comments that don't even make sense.

When you travel abroad....you are subject to the laws of the country you are visiting. Just because the US may not have a law against something you do in another country doesn't mean that you will be excused if that country has a law against it. So you are a real idiot if you think that the laws in the United States are going to trump the laws of another country when you visit another country.

ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

So the real moron here is no one but you.....because the gist of this conversation is whether or not the 14th Amendment grants everyone born here US citizenship, and all you can do is bring in other countries and try to make up shit that nobody has said. If someone made that comment, please point it out, otherwise admit you are a complete moron.

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright.

 

[Care4all]

If Mexicans are suppose to be American allies, how do we treat our enemies?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

 

[Mertex]

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

and any children I had would NOT be Peruvian, Salvadorian, etc.

It depends on the laws of that country. If they have a law the same as the US, then any child you birthed there would automatically be a citizen of that country, but it is entitled to US citizenship, too if both you and your spouse are U S citizens.

Wikipedia:
Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. This includes the territories of Puerto Rico, the Marianas (Guam and theNorthern Mariana Islands) and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and also applies to children born elsewhere in the world to U.S. citizens (with certain exceptions)

 

[DarkFury]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

No stupid, check this out..
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Auld Phart]

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

and any children I had would NOT be Peruvian, Salvadorian, etc.

It depends on the laws of that country. If they have a law the same as the US, then any child you birthed there would automatically be a citizen of that country, but it is entitled to US citizenship, too if both you and your spouse are U S citizens.

Wikipedia:
Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. This includes the territories of Puerto Rico, the Marianas (Guam and theNorthern Mariana Islands) and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and also applies to children born elsewhere in the world to U.S. citizens (with certain exceptions)

If they have a law the same as the US,

The majority of other countries DON'T have a law like ours.


THEY have more SENSE

 

[Derideo_Te]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

No stupid, check this out..
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Do you have a problem understanding the meaning of the term "REPEALED", Baby Huey?

The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed by the 1943 Magnuson Act,

 

[DarkFury]

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

and any children I had would NOT be Peruvian, Salvadorian, etc.

It depends on the laws of that country. If they have a law the same as the US, then any child you birthed there would automatically be a citizen of that country, but it is entitled to US citizenship, too if both you and your spouse are U S citizens.

Wikipedia:
Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. This includes the territories of Puerto Rico, the Marianas (Guam and theNorthern Mariana Islands) and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and also applies to children born elsewhere in the world to U.S. citizens (with certain exceptions)

If they have a law the same as the US,

The majority of other countries DON'T have a law like ours.


THEY have more SENSE

He is AVOIDING the sub section for a reason. It PROVES he LIES.
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[RKMBrown]

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

Yet there are but a few countries that are currently handing out free citizenship irregardless of immigration laws. Hello!!! you are again conflating citizenship with regional territorial laws. Jurisdiction has many meanings, look it up ya moron.

jurisdiction: an overview
One of the most fundamental questions of law is whether a given court has jurisdiction to preside over a given case. A jurisdictional question may be broken down into three components:

1. whether there is jurisdiction over the person (in personam),
2. whether there is jurisdiction over the subject matter, or res (in rem), and
3. whether there is jurisdiction to render the particular judgment sought.

 

[DarkFury]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

No stupid, check this out..
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Do you have a problem understanding the meaning of the term "REPEALED", Baby Huey?

The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed by the 1943 Magnuson Act,

It was repealed for war. We wanted the Chinese on our side. The law STILL stands as written waiting to be used idiot.

 

[Auld Phart]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

No stupid, check this out..
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Do you have a problem understanding the meaning of the term "REPEALED", Baby Huey?

The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed by the 1943 Magnuson Act,

Did you bother reading your article?

" It allowed Chinese immigration for the first time since the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, and permitted some Chinese immigrants already residing in the country to become naturalized citizens."

 

[RKMBrown]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

No stupid, check this out..
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Do you have a problem understanding the meaning of the term "REPEALED", Baby Huey?

The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed by the 1943 Magnuson Act,

It was repealed for war. We wanted the Chinese on our side. The law STILL stands as written waiting to be used idiot.

Calling derideo an idiot is an insult to idiots.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

Yepp.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So you fucking morons actually think that if you travel to any country on earth you are no longer subject to US jurisdictional law. ROFL You morons are conflating regional sovereignty with rights afforded to American citizens. Translation... You libs are fucking morons.

American citizens in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of those other nations while they are there.

US jurisdictional law has no standing in other nations unless there is a treaty that grants US citizens certain rights and privileges in those other nations that are not granted to the native citizens of that nation.

So if you went to El Salvadore or Peru or New Guinea you would be outside of US jurisdictional law and you would be subject to the jurisdictional laws of those nations.

But thanks for once again proving that this concept is way beyond your meager comprehension.

Yet there are but a few countries that are currently handing out free citizenship irregardless of immigration laws. Hello!!! you are again conflating citizenship with regional territorial laws. Jurisdiction has many meanings, look it up ya moron.

jurisdiction: an overview
One of the most fundamental questions of law is whether a given court has jurisdiction to preside over a given case. A jurisdictional question may be broken down into three components:

1. whether there is jurisdiction over the person (in personam),
2. whether there is jurisdiction over the subject matter, or res (in rem), and
3. whether there is jurisdiction to render the particular judgment sought.

I was responding to your ignorance.

And no, I am not conflating anything.

Jurisdiction in the context that it applies to this thread is that of the Law of the Land over US sovereign territories.

Anyone, citizen or not, is subject to said jurisdiction.

Please try and keep up with the rest of the class.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Guess I will have to spank you public. Alright

Deceleration Alert!

Statistikhengst Pogo

No stupid, check this out..
The Law Of Exclusion | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Do you have a problem understanding the meaning of the term "REPEALED", Baby Huey?

The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed by the 1943 Magnuson Act,

It was repealed for war. We wanted the Chinese on our side. The law STILL stands as written waiting to be used idiot.

Thank you for admitting that you didn't even read your own OP.

You included the part about where it has been repealed.