Will Trump end up alienating his core support?

[JakeStarkey]

Republicans do not stand for defying the US Constitution you dumb ass.

Republicans are not anti-Muslim or anti-immigration you stupid lying dumb ass piece of shit.

Ironic!

We have Kim Davis (and plenty of other examples) of republicans defying the constitution.

And we have republicans supporting T-Rump who is spouting anti-immigration rhetoric about building a wall and deporting 11,000,000 people, some of whom are American citizens by birth.

And let's not forget his bloviating about ISIS.

I thinki I agre. First off, it's not ironic.

I agree. Second, Kim Davis is a democrat who was elected to county clerk as a democrat.

You are confused. Third, anti-illegal immigration is not the same as anti-immigration. Republicans are pro-immigration. For that matter both parties are pro-immigration. The only difference is the democrats are also pro-illegal immigration. Something about filling in the ranks of voters who are poor and looking for welfare.

Yes, it is guaranteed, and, no, it won't change. Fourth, birth right citizenship is not guaranteed for non-Americans. Nor should it be. This needs to be fixed.

no idea what you are talking about regarding ISIS.

No I'm not confused.
No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't. It's simply a matter of policy from the state department. It's a bad joke that we are doing this.

Yes, you are confused; no, it is not state department policy; it is accepted policy nationally; and it will not change.

 

[RKMBrown]

I disagree with the OP, and I note the OP has no link as to "who supports the Donald." I found this link

3 in 4 Iowans who support Donald Trump want to deport all illegal immigrants

There's a real difference in those supporting him and those supporting others on the issue of "deporting them all." We all hear, and I'm sure there are polls showing, that people like him cause "he stands up and isn't taking crap .... he says what he thinks even if it isn't PC."

I really wonder how many Trump supporters are really from the group that traditionally participates in gop primaries? And I don't thing there's any data about that.. A lot of older white workers lost a lot in the recession and won't make it up. If I'm competing with an undocumented worker for a service industry job, I wouldn't be happy. None of that is meant to say anything bad about Trump supporters. I'll be surprised if he doesn't fade though.

fade... will come down to timing. Right now it's Don vs 16 politicians and they don't have a socialist like romney in the bunch. So he's the one that stands out. In a field that large the one that stands out can easily get 1/3 the vote. If the field thins out to just a couple before the first vote Don's in trouble. If it doesn't thin out he'll get the largest number of votes and the folks will start to think.. hey it's vote of Don or vote for Hillary. Nutz, I know but that's how an election system works when you have too many to vote for and no way to rank the order in which you would vote.. and no run-off in most states.

 

[David_42]

I suspect that the bulk of his core are not social conservatives because he would have alienated them earlier with his bogus nonsense about the wine and the crackers.

Instead I think that they are more fiscal conservatives that mindlessly hate government. The "keep your government hands off my medicare" idiots.

So he won't lose them unless he starts talking about raising taxes.

"Keep your government hands off my Medicare" LOL. Explains a lot.

I never made that up!

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I'm fucking dying right now.

I'm fucking dying right now.

Anyone got the number for 9-1-1?

Or should we just let him die?

Let'em use their Obama phone to call for help..

Yeah, because Obama started that..

 

[DarkFury]

I disagree with the OP, and I note the OP has no link as to "who supports the Donald." I found this link

3 in 4 Iowans who support Donald Trump want to deport all illegal immigrants

There's a real difference in those supporting him and those supporting others on the issue of "deporting them all." We all hear, and I'm sure there are polls showing, that people like him cause "he stands up and isn't taking crap .... he says what he thinks even if it isn't PC."

I really wonder how many Trump supporters are really from the group that traditionally participates in gop primaries? And I don't thing there's any data about that.. A lot of older white workers lost a lot in the recession and won't make it up. If I'm competing with an undocumented worker for a service industry job, I wouldn't be happy. None of that is meant to say anything bad about Trump supporters. I'll be surprised if he doesn't fade though.

If Trump's numbers are based on the unhappy then his numbers will not fade until the number of unhappy go down. And that's not going to happen.

 

[RKMBrown]

Republicans do not stand for defying the US Constitution you dumb ass.

Republicans are not anti-Muslim or anti-immigration you stupid lying dumb ass piece of shit.

Ironic!

We have Kim Davis (and plenty of other examples) of republicans defying the constitution.

And we have republicans supporting T-Rump who is spouting anti-immigration rhetoric about building a wall and deporting 11,000,000 people, some of whom are American citizens by birth.

And let's not forget his bloviating about ISIS.

I thinki I agre. First off, it's not ironic.

I agree. Second, Kim Davis is a democrat who was elected to county clerk as a democrat.

You are confused. Third, anti-illegal immigration is not the same as anti-immigration. Republicans are pro-immigration. For that matter both parties are pro-immigration. The only difference is the democrats are also pro-illegal immigration. Something about filling in the ranks of voters who are poor and looking for welfare.

Yes, it is guaranteed, and, no, it won't change. Fourth, birth right citizenship is not guaranteed for non-Americans. Nor should it be. This needs to be fixed.

no idea what you are talking about regarding ISIS.

No I'm not confused.
No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't. It's simply a matter of policy from the state department. It's a bad joke that we are doing this.

Yes, you are confused; no, it is not state department policy; it is accepted policy nationally; and it will not change.

No I'm not confused. GOP party statement on immigration: "America is proud to be a nation of immigrants. Today’s legal immigrants make vital contributions to every aspect of our nation by enriching our culture and strengthening our economy. But our current immigration system is broken, and President Obama has failed to provide the leadership necessary to repair it. The Republican Party seeks policies that secure our border and boosts our economy.
I challenge you to provide a link showing the republicans are anti-legal immigration. " Immigration - Page 1 | GOP

Yes it's accepted, state department policy. However, there is no law based on a bill making it so, no constitutional amendment making it so. We've been doing it for a long time now but that does not mean it's not going to change. The only thing constant is change.

 

[Kosh]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

And yet Obama has not been jailed yet!

Guess the far left drone do not count their own and ignores the 14th amendment with own.

Funny how that works!

 

[DarkFury]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

 

[RKMBrown]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

 

[RKMBrown]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

Bingo. The point at the time was slave children, but not indians who were not subject to the jurisdiction or other foreigners. Somehow the libtards got away with ... oh this means everyone.

 

[RKMBrown]

Republicans do not stand for defying the US Constitution you dumb ass.

Republicans are not anti-Muslim or anti-immigration you stupid lying dumb ass piece of shit.

Ironic!

We have Kim Davis (and plenty of other examples) of republicans defying the constitution.

And we have republicans supporting T-Rump who is spouting anti-immigration rhetoric about building a wall and deporting 11,000,000 people, some of whom are American citizens by birth.

And let's not forget his bloviating about ISIS.

I thinki I agre. First off, it's not ironic.

I agree. Second, Kim Davis is a democrat who was elected to county clerk as a democrat.

You are confused. Third, anti-illegal immigration is not the same as anti-immigration. Republicans are pro-immigration. For that matter both parties are pro-immigration. The only difference is the democrats are also pro-illegal immigration. Something about filling in the ranks of voters who are poor and looking for welfare.

Yes, it is guaranteed, and, no, it won't change. Fourth, birth right citizenship is not guaranteed for non-Americans. Nor should it be. This needs to be fixed.

no idea what you are talking about regarding ISIS.

No I'm not confused.
No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't. It's simply a matter of policy from the state department. It's a bad joke that we are doing this.

Yes, you are confused; no, it is not state department policy; it is accepted policy nationally; and it will not change.

No I'm not confused. Yes it is state department policy. Yes it will change. Everything changes. We are but one of a handful of countries around the world that do this. It was not done on purpose originally. And , it will change.

 

[Derideo_Te]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

 

[Derideo_Te]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

 

[bendog]

There are only two ways birthright citizenship can change. 1. The supreme court says it didn't mean what it said in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) that Mr. Wong was subject to the jurisdiction of the US, and a citizen, having been born here to two Chinese nationals. A criticism of that decision, or perhaps a clarification, is that while a law forbid Chinese immigration, the parents were without a doubt here legally under the law which permitted various Chinese to work and live here. Did the scotus in 1898 mean people here illegally could birth a citizen? Thus far, the supreme court has consistently answered "yes." 2. A constitutional amendment.

 

[DarkFury]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

 

[Camp]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

You just made that up. None of it is true.

 

[Derideo_Te]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

 

[pismoe]

I disagree with the OP, and I note the OP has no link as to "who supports the Donald." I found this link

3 in 4 Iowans who support Donald Trump want to deport all illegal immigrants

There's a real difference in those supporting him and those supporting others on the issue of "deporting them all." We all hear, and I'm sure there are polls showing, that people like him cause "he stands up and isn't taking crap .... he says what he thinks even if it isn't PC."

I really wonder how many Trump supporters are really from the group that traditionally participates in gop primaries? And I don't thing there's any data about that.. A lot of older white workers lost a lot in the recession and won't make it up. If I'm competing with an undocumented worker for a service industry job, I wouldn't be happy. None of that is meant to say anything bad about Trump supporters. I'll be surprised if he doesn't fade though.

If Trump's numbers are based on the unhappy then his numbers will not fade until the number of unhappy go down. And that's not going to happen.

think that you may be right DarkFury !! numbers of unhappy are not going to diminish imo !!

 

[Camp]

I disagree with the OP, and I note the OP has no link as to "who supports the Donald." I found this link

3 in 4 Iowans who support Donald Trump want to deport all illegal immigrants

There's a real difference in those supporting him and those supporting others on the issue of "deporting them all." We all hear, and I'm sure there are polls showing, that people like him cause "he stands up and isn't taking crap .... he says what he thinks even if it isn't PC."

I really wonder how many Trump supporters are really from the group that traditionally participates in gop primaries? And I don't thing there's any data about that.. A lot of older white workers lost a lot in the recession and won't make it up. If I'm competing with an undocumented worker for a service industry job, I wouldn't be happy. None of that is meant to say anything bad about Trump supporters. I'll be surprised if he doesn't fade though.

If Trump's numbers are based on the unhappy then his numbers will not fade until the number of unhappy go down. And that's not going to happen.

think that you may be right DarkFury !! numbers of unhappy are not going to diminish imo !!

Wishful thinking on multiple levels. Trump is giving cause for unhappiness and fear from large factions of the voting public. These include Hispanics and women, two very large and significant voting blocks.

 

[RKMBrown]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No you are wrong. That Section does not say all people around the world are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and thus can simply travel here have one kid here five minutes after arriving and then grandfather in their whole clan based on having illegally come to America to have a child that is an American.

Your ignorance is always so readily apparent.

The jurisdiction of the USA applies to all territory within it's borders.

So the nationality of any individual within those border is immaterial to the USA having jurisdiction over them.

And the 14th Amendment clearly states that anyone born within those borders is automatically a citizen. There are no caveats or restrictions or exemptions.

Deal with it.

You're confusing or at least conflating territorial jurisdiction with citizenship. But I'm not surprised given that your IQ is 1/2 mine.

 

[RKMBrown]

No it's not guaranteed, not in the constitution it isn't.

BZZZT Wrong!

It explicitly states in the Constitution that anyone born within the jurisdiction of the USA is a citizen.

Fourteenth Amendment
The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Maybe you should read the rest of the text idiot. "subject to the jurisdiction of".....ILLEGALS are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came.

Thus NOT automatic citizens.

BZZZT Wrong again, Baby Huey.

Anyone who is within the borders of any US territory is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Their nationality is irrelevant.

What you are proposing is that the USA does not have sovereignty over the people within it's own borders.

That is utterly absurd.

Not to mention ignorant.

They are NOT subject to our tax laws our schooling regulations our vacination laws and MANY others. You are thinking criminal laws which shows your narrow minded scope.

Jurisdiction laws and criminal laws are different SO you are WRONG again.

Jurisdiction refers to all Laws of the Land covering a geographical area and the persons within that area.

An illegal alien is subject to the same driving speed limits that you are. They must pay the same sales tax that you do.

Your ignorance is on a par with the rest of the extremist rightwingers on the short bus.

Jurisdiction is a broad term. As is welfare. Not surprisingly, you libtards are incapable of reading in context.