Will this usher in socialism?

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    My cousin thinks socialism is on the way. He is a socialist. He thinks the free market went too far and the government will not allow it to get out of hand again.

    Karl Marx once said if you give a capitalist too much rope, he will hang himself with it. That is an eerie quote today.

    If we had real capitalism where the government doesn't bail companies out, but they just fall on their faces, would these loans have been given out?
     
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    Today's vote is a clear indication that it is not. Not sure what they will get done, but it is clear a nationalization of mortages and banks has NO support from the country. Congressional calls and e-mails were 9 to 1 AGAINST the bill.

    We, as a people, would rather go into a DEPRESSION before agreeing to a socialist takeover of our finances.
     
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    Tell your cousin that we don't have to worry about socialists taking over the country.

    Because the fascists who are already in control will never allow that.:eusa_shifty:
     
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    The only way America will get socialism is if America votes for it. I can't see it, there hasn't been enough of a breakdown yet for a nation to lose faith in its whole economic system.
     
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    There hasn't been enough of a breakdown that Americans will trust the government to run their lives. And there probably never will be.
     
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    Governments run your lives, like it or not. The existence of government says your lives - and mine too - are being run by government. The point is will you take the opportunity to begin the slow move towards abolition of government? It has to start somewhere, may as well be now. I don't mean the Grover Norquist model of drowning government so corporations can take over, that's just replacing one form of plutocracy with another. I mean the actual move towards the dismantling of the state to be replaced by a pure communist society.

    How does that strike you?
     
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    Spot on.
     
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    Dismantle the government and who wins?

    The bastards who bankrupted it, that's who.

    Declare a moratorium on all national debt and who loses?

    The bastards who bankrupted it, that's who.
     
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    I'll give you that. I guess it's the degree of government control with which one is comfortable that is the question.

    As for "pure communism", I just don't believe it can work with large populations.
     
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    And to be fair I'm banging on about a counsel of perfection. It may take another thousand years to get there but as the Chinese saying goes, the longest journey starts with the first step,.

    I'm getting out of my intelliigence grade here but I would agree that large populations will just mean more of the same, the same old dictatorship just under a new name. I suppose that means we - humans - need to redefine ourselves along different lines. I know it's a bit obvious but I think that's a starting point. And it can be done. I mean, look at Europe, historically speaking I mean. The political entity of "Italy" is less than a couple of hundred years old. Our Earth is composed of land masses with people on them. They weren't always divided as they are now. It is entirely possible for them to be divided along different functional lines in the future.
     

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