Will the conservatives on the SC do the right thing?

[Robert W]

This is what it's really about, conservatives' reckless, irresponsible, wrong-headed efforts to eliminate necessary and proper Federal programs and regulatory agencies that are perfectly Constitutional.

Apparently what you call constitutional was merely a vast new network of financial regulations imposed on the rest of us by Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

The Federal Income Tax and the Federal Reserve there are questions with.

Research has proved that not enough states approved the Federal Income Tax law for it to be actually the law.

We can thank Joseph Banister who was then working for the IRS in San Jose Ca as an enforcement agent, wearing a gun and with the power to arrest citizens. Joe called BS on claims the law creating the income tax was invalid. So he used vacation time to research it himself. He took his findings to his IRS boss who did not try to validate the law. So Joe resigned from the IRS. I personally have met him and heard him talk.

He was charged for Tax law violations and beat the IRS.

Joseph Banister - The Bernhoft Law Firm

Jury Acquits Former IRS Special Agent of Felony Tax Charges Joseph Banister, a former IRS agent and prominent IRS whistleblower, was acquitted on all federal tax fraud and conspiracy charges. The widely-followed U.S. District Court case stemmed from tax returns that Banister, a certified public...

www.bernhoftlaw.com

Joseph Banister, a former IRS agent and prominent IRS whistleblower, was acquitted on all federal tax fraud and conspiracy charges.

The widely-followed U.S. District Court case stemmed from tax returns that Banister, a certified public accountant, had filed for the owner of a small aviation firm in Lake Shasta, California. The business owner contended he owed no taxes and did not withhold taxes from employees, while claiming a refund for taxes paid in previous years.

Banister had told his clients they didn’t need to file federal income tax returns because the 16th Amendment, which gives Congress “power to lay and collect taxes on incomes,” was never properly ratified. Years before, he had given his bosses at the IRS a 95-page memo detailing his belief before being forced to resign from the agency.

Robert Bernhoft, Banister’s attorney, said his client was acquitted because the government did not prove he intended to defraud. Observers said a crucial moment of the trial occurred when defense attorneys intensely questioned Banister’s former supervisor at IRS, Robert Gorini, and he was unable to cite any U.S. law that required Banister to pay income taxes.

“Brilliant legal work by the law office of Robert Bernhoft was key in Mr. Banister’s acquittal,” noted John Turner, a former IRS agent. “They recognized the complete lack of evidence to support the government’s case and wisely decided that it would add nothing to have witnesses and Banister testify.”

 

[hadit]

This is what it's really about, conservatives' reckless, irresponsible, wrong-headed efforts to eliminate necessary and proper Federal programs and regulatory agencies that are perfectly Constitutional.

Then why do democrats fight tooth and nail to keep the reckless spending increases every single year on every wasteful program, and make more of them? To listen to them, you'd think that Afgan knitting classes getting a 6% bump instead of 8% is a federal issue that will result in dogs and cats living together, people wearing white after Labor Day, and mass starvation.

That's why they immediately go to Social Security and the military to scare people whenever a shutdown might possibly happen. They know full well the government could keep going for months by shutting down a LOT of wasted spending, but do not want anyone to know that.

 

[martybegan]

Didn't read this part?

The problem with Francisco’s argument is that Congress did pass a law, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010, which funds the CFPB. So, under well-established law, Francisco’s arguments are flat-out wrong.

So laws can override the Constitution?

The issue is every other agency needs to be re-funded every year, something the CFPB doesn't have to deal with.

 

[Flash]

Imagine that the Supreme Court of the United States spent an entire morning debating whether penguins are the primary cause of colon cancer or whether John F. Kennedy was assassinated by aliens from the planet Venus.

That’s more or less the quality of arguments that former Trump Solicitor General Noel Francisco presented to the Court on Tuesday, as part of a quizzical effort to convince the justices to declare an entire federal agency unconstitutional.

The good news is that the Court appears unlikely to buy what Francisco is selling. All three of the liberal justices took turns beating up Francisco, with an exasperated Justice Sonia Sotomayor telling Francisco at one point that she is trying to understand Francisco’s argument and is at a “total loss.”

Sotomayor appeared to be joined in her frustration by Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, two Trump appointees who showed little patience for Francisco’s attacks on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the agency that Francisco is urging them to strike down. Like Sotomayor, Barrett also repeatedly pressed Francisco to explain how, exactly, his proposed interpretation of the Constitution would actually work.

By the end of the argument, even Justice Clarence Thomas — ordinarily the most conservative member of the Court — appeared fed up with Francisco’s inability to articulate a coherent argument.

The Supreme Court’s uncharacteristic moment of sanity

Justices considering a case against the CFPB seem unlikely to trigger a second Great Depression.

www.vox.com

Not that the conservatives necessarily need a coherent argument to be made in order to make an ideologically, not constitutionally, based ruling. But it appears ruling in favor of payday loan companies and the ludicrous argument their counsel is making is a bridge too far.

This country would not be $33 trillion in debt if we did away with most of the stupid Federal alphabet agencies that don't do jackshit but spend billions each year.

Like the Department of Education where American schools have been worse since the agency was formed. Or like the stupid HUD where poverty rates have increased despite spending billions and billions.

Fuck the Federal government. It only does a handful of useful things like Defense and roadbuilding. Almost everything else is just a waste.

 

[Aldo Raine]

That hasn't been decided yet.

Yup, so it HASN'T been proven unconstitutional!

 

[Polishprince]

Yup, so it HASN'T been proven unconstitutional!

The decision hasn't been made yet, its a matter of controversy

 

[Aldo Raine]

The decision hasn't been made yet, its a matter of controversy

So as of now it is NOT unconstitutional!