Why the U.S. should break up into 5 Countries.

[Koios]

Doesn't track. Where's your thought process on that?

In fact, you'll note that murder rates track to where there's higher rates of poor folks: Updated state-by-state national murder rate map for 2010 (living in, statistics) - City-Data Forum

So it would follow that the more prosperous and Liberal coasts would be more peaceful and law-abiding, too.

So fuck yeah; carve away those shithole Red States. Where do I sign the petition?

I'd love to see what people would be eating in places like NYC... Probably each other.

Yeah; because the restaurants in NYC suck compared to rural Mississippi. Good thinking.

Laughing

My

Ass

Off!!!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hey everyone, long time reader but first time poster on here. Glad to join you all on this board regarding political discussion. I consider myself a rarity nowadays, a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (you could say Libertarian but I don't like going that far, they believe in no government regulation and that I don't agree with). I would like to offer a honest unbiased opinion on why I believe the U.S. needs to start looking at a peaceful break up into 5 Sovereign Countries that can work together in a similar setup to the European Union (E.U.).

I think there is no doubt that we all see it, this country is becoming more and more divided every day. Not too long ago we had 2 major political parties that, while they had different viewpoints, could compromise on issues and generally find the best solution of the country. As we have seen in the last few years though, both the Republican and Democratic Parties have been hijacked by fringe factions within their own groups. For Republicans that is the Tea Party/Sean Hannity/Sarah Palin group that are very far right on Social Issues and honestly worry about Social Issues more than what is really necessary. For Democrats you have the Occupy Group/Union Officials/President Obama/Nancy Pelosi group that truly want what they consider a utopian society, one where everyone is equal and receive the same thing. It is widely believed that they want the United States to have more of a Socialism element which most Americans on both sides are widely against.

As we have seen the two sides go farther and farther apart, our Government (and therefore us, the citizens) have suffered. Congress has become increasingly divided and inefficient, to the point now where Congress is largely unable to pass anything of consequence. Our Government has become crippled with anger and division and no longer has the ability to truly serve the will of the people. The system has become corrupted and the people no longer believe in the system to do what is best for the country. Even worse, we have developed a sizable portion of our population who do not care about the health of the country but their own self interests. This is on both sides, on the right you have the ultra rich that could care less about the majority of the country as long as they get their tax breaks. They will vote for whoever gives them the most tax loopholes. On the left you have the entitlement crowd (not all but some) that believe that someone else should pay for their lifestyle. They will vote for whoever will give them the most amount of freebies. In the middle is most Americans, and it is the middle who is suffering.

Lets look at the U.S. right now like we would a failing marriage. There are 2 options for a couple of a failing marriage. 1) You can either not deal with the issue, eventually have the situation blow up to the point where divorce is inevitable, the divorce is messy and filled with anger, and the 2 sides hate each other. 2) You can admit the marriage is failing, have a fairly drama free divorce where both sides work with each other to make the situation good for each of them, and in the end can maybe still be friends post-divorce. Which option seems better to you? The U.S. is in this same situation right now. If you don't believe me, look at this link, this is going to start happening more and more as both the right and left further entrench their positions. The two sides simply are unable to work with each other.

video.foxnews.com/v/2031772903001

I don't post the following link because I like Fox News, I could care less. I simply post the link because you are going to see more of this. Once communication has broken down the fighting will begin and it's already beginning.

Instead of the U.S. just barely limping along (which it is right now and it's not sustainable) why don't we just agree to a divorce? Just like it is possible to fall out of love it is possible for a Government and Country setup to no longer work. The fact is a Civil War is coming regardless, we can either break up the country now and prevent that or we can go into Civil War and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives will be lost and the U.S. Government will once again have blood on its hands. Why not prevent that and just do the following:

1) The U.S. would break up into the 5 Sovereign Countries:
- The Northeast States of America - New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland.
- The Southeast States of America - Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas.
- The Midwest States of America - Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa.
- The Mountain West States of America - North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Texas, Oklahoma.
- The West Coast States of America - California, Oregon, Washington.

Hawaii can become their own independent nation again like they have always wanted and Alaska could be annexed into Canada which is where it should be in the first place.

The setup could be very similar to the European Union. All 5 Countries would still use the American Dollar (formerly the U.S. dollar) as the countries currency. All 5 Countries could still work together for issues of National Defense. All 5 Countries could easily be setup to where you could freely travel from one country to another just like you would states now (no border, no customs, no passport required). All 5 Countries would have preferred trade status so business between the countries would not be significantly affected. So for the average American there wouldn't be much of a change.

What this would do though is allow each of the individual regions to adapt fiscal and social policies that have a greater reflection on that countries' population and beliefs. Here is how it would probably go:

- The Northeast States of America - Separation of Church and State, High Taxes with High Entitlements, Single Payer System Healthcare, Strong Unions, Wealth Tax, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted, etc..
- The Southeast States of America - Christianity would be the official religion with social policies reflecting that. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, Privatized Healthcare primarily through citizens job, Right to Work, Drugs completely illegal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The Midwest States of America - Separation of Church and State but in a less strict manner. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, a mix of private and public healthcare options, Strong Unions, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted.
- The Mountain West States of America - Very much a Libertarian style government. Very limited government regulation on many issues. Very Low Taxes with No Entitlements (you are on your own type atmosphere). Privatized healthcare, Right to Work, Drugs completely legal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The West Coast States of America - Very much a Socialism style government. Very High Taxes with High Entitlements. Rich are taxed increasingly high with the goal being equality for all. Religion severely restricted, mainly to individual homes (no churches even allowed). Single payer healthcare system. Strong Unions. Drugs completely legal, Abortion legal and available on demand.

I know there will be some criticism of this very idea but I ask you to throw away all your preconceived notions and truly think for at least 10 minutes and ask yourself this question. Would the U.S. be better off being 5 Sovereign Nations that work together? Is the U.S. in its current shape really better than this alternative? I look forward to hearing your responses.

We don't need to break up, we need people to ante up instead of living off the hard work of others.

Which people work hard and who lives off the hard work of others? Consider, the staff at the typical fast food restaurant works hard; the owner of the franchise and stock holders of the parent firm reap the benefits.

Of course that's not what you meant, was it. (covert racism isn't so covert, is it?)

bump

 

[Toro]

I think Florida should join Canada.

That'd be fucking awesome.

 

[Avatar4321]

One that comes to mind is: the Liberal states along the coasts would no longer have to carry the water, economically, for all the backwater Red States.

You guys would be killing each other within hours.

And they'd be starving.

One of the many reasons they would be killing one another.

 

[Avatar4321]

In fact, you'll note that murder rates track to where there's higher rates of poor folks: Updated state-by-state national murder rate map for 2010 (living in, statistics) - City-Data Forum

So it would follow that the more prosperous and Liberal coasts would be more peaceful and law-abiding, too.

So fuck yeah; carve away those shithole Red States. Where do I sign the petition?

I'd love to see what people would be eating in places like NYC... Probably each other.

Yeah; because the restaurants in NYC suck compared to rural Mississippi. Good thinking.

Laughing

My

Ass

Off!!!

You seriously aren't putting any thought into this scenario. How much food does NYC produce? Where exactly do you think they are magically going to get food if you split the coasts away from the farming states?

 

[tjvh]

In fact, you'll note that murder rates track to where there's higher rates of poor folks: Updated state-by-state national murder rate map for 2010 (living in, statistics) - City-Data Forum

So it would follow that the more prosperous and Liberal coasts would be more peaceful and law-abiding, too.

So fuck yeah; carve away those shithole Red States. Where do I sign the petition?

I'd love to see what people would be eating in places like NYC... Probably each other.

Yeah; because the restaurants in NYC suck compared to rural Mississippi. Good thinking.

Laughing

My

Ass

Off!!!

And where do you think the food in those restaurants comes from? That's right... Red State country bumpkin farms. Idiot.

 

[Toro]

I think a better way would be to divide up the country in alphabetical order.

So, for example, the first new country would be comprised of

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia

This new country would be called "The United States of America, Letters A Through G."

The other four countries would be similar, except, you know, with different letters.

 

[healthmyths]

Hey everyone, long time reader but first time poster on here. Glad to join you all on this board regarding political discussion. I consider myself a rarity nowadays, a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (you could say Libertarian but I don't like going that far, they believe in no government regulation and that I don't agree with). I would like to offer a honest unbiased opinion on why I believe the U.S. needs to start looking at a peaceful break up into 5 Sovereign Countries that can work together in a similar setup to the European Union (E.U.).

I think there is no doubt that we all see it, this country is becoming more and more divided every day. Not too long ago we had 2 major political parties that, while they had different viewpoints, could compromise on issues and generally find the best solution of the country. As we have seen in the last few years though, both the Republican and Democratic Parties have been hijacked by fringe factions within their own groups. For Republicans that is the Tea Party/Sean Hannity/Sarah Palin group that are very far right on Social Issues and honestly worry about Social Issues more than what is really necessary. For Democrats you have the Occupy Group/Union Officials/President Obama/Nancy Pelosi group that truly want what they consider a utopian society, one where everyone is equal and receive the same thing. It is widely believed that they want the United States to have more of a Socialism element which most Americans on both sides are widely against.

As we have seen the two sides go farther and farther apart, our Government (and therefore us, the citizens) have suffered. Congress has become increasingly divided and inefficient, to the point now where Congress is largely unable to pass anything of consequence. Our Government has become crippled with anger and division and no longer has the ability to truly serve the will of the people. The system has become corrupted and the people no longer believe in the system to do what is best for the country. Even worse, we have developed a sizable portion of our population who do not care about the health of the country but their own self interests. This is on both sides, on the right you have the ultra rich that could care less about the majority of the country as long as they get their tax breaks. They will vote for whoever gives them the most tax loopholes. On the left you have the entitlement crowd (not all but some) that believe that someone else should pay for their lifestyle. They will vote for whoever will give them the most amount of freebies. In the middle is most Americans, and it is the middle who is suffering.

Lets look at the U.S. right now like we would a failing marriage. There are 2 options for a couple of a failing marriage. 1) You can either not deal with the issue, eventually have the situation blow up to the point where divorce is inevitable, the divorce is messy and filled with anger, and the 2 sides hate each other. 2) You can admit the marriage is failing, have a fairly drama free divorce where both sides work with each other to make the situation good for each of them, and in the end can maybe still be friends post-divorce. Which option seems better to you? The U.S. is in this same situation right now. If you don't believe me, look at this link, this is going to start happening more and more as both the right and left further entrench their positions. The two sides simply are unable to work with each other.

video.foxnews.com/v/2031772903001

I don't post the following link because I like Fox News, I could care less. I simply post the link because you are going to see more of this. Once communication has broken down the fighting will begin and it's already beginning.

Instead of the U.S. just barely limping along (which it is right now and it's not sustainable) why don't we just agree to a divorce? Just like it is possible to fall out of love it is possible for a Government and Country setup to no longer work. The fact is a Civil War is coming regardless, we can either break up the country now and prevent that or we can go into Civil War and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives will be lost and the U.S. Government will once again have blood on its hands. Why not prevent that and just do the following:

1) The U.S. would break up into the 5 Sovereign Countries:
- The Northeast States of America - New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland.
- The Southeast States of America - Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas.
- The Midwest States of America - Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa.
- The Mountain West States of America - North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Texas, Oklahoma.
- The West Coast States of America - California, Oregon, Washington.

Hawaii can become their own independent nation again like they have always wanted and Alaska could be annexed into Canada which is where it should be in the first place.

The setup could be very similar to the European Union. All 5 Countries would still use the American Dollar (formerly the U.S. dollar) as the countries currency. All 5 Countries could still work together for issues of National Defense. All 5 Countries could easily be setup to where you could freely travel from one country to another just like you would states now (no border, no customs, no passport required). All 5 Countries would have preferred trade status so business between the countries would not be significantly affected. So for the average American there wouldn't be much of a change.

What this would do though is allow each of the individual regions to adapt fiscal and social policies that have a greater reflection on that countries' population and beliefs. Here is how it would probably go:

- The Northeast States of America - Separation of Church and State, High Taxes with High Entitlements, Single Payer System Healthcare, Strong Unions, Wealth Tax, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted, etc..
- The Southeast States of America - Christianity would be the official religion with social policies reflecting that. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, Privatized Healthcare primarily through citizens job, Right to Work, Drugs completely illegal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The Midwest States of America - Separation of Church and State but in a less strict manner. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, a mix of private and public healthcare options, Strong Unions, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted.
- The Mountain West States of America - Very much a Libertarian style government. Very limited government regulation on many issues. Very Low Taxes with No Entitlements (you are on your own type atmosphere). Privatized healthcare, Right to Work, Drugs completely legal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The West Coast States of America - Very much a Socialism style government. Very High Taxes with High Entitlements. Rich are taxed increasingly high with the goal being equality for all. Religion severely restricted, mainly to individual homes (no churches even allowed). Single payer healthcare system. Strong Unions. Drugs completely legal, Abortion legal and available on demand.

I know there will be some criticism of this very idea but I ask you to throw away all your preconceived notions and truly think for at least 10 minutes and ask yourself this question. Would the U.S. be better off being 5 Sovereign Nations that work together? Is the U.S. in its current shape really better than this alternative? I look forward to hearing your responses.

We don't need to break up, we need people to ante up instead of living off the hard work of others.

Which people work hard and who lives off the hard work of others? Consider, the staff at the typical fast food restaurant works hard; the owner of the franchise and stock holders of the parent firm reap the benefits.

Of course that's not what you meant, was it. (covert racism isn't so covert, is it?)

AH... those EVIL stock holders! How many typical fast food worker is age 45?
How many typical fast food worker is sole breadwinner with a family of 4 and house and 45?

I was a typical fast food worker when minimum wage was $1.61 and by the way I was 18! And I was going to college so that I wouldn't be a fast food worker for life... unless I became a manager.. and then I'd make $60,000 but I would also be 45!!!

 

[Koios]

You guys would be killing each other within hours.

And they'd be starving.

One of the many reasons they would be killing one another.

Not so. Hear me out:

Sure; NYC needs meat and produce, so all the upscale eateries can craft amazing shit and create new celebrity chefs we rave about. But now the importing them from third world countries just got cheaper. They're real close in, and plentiful, throughout the North American Inland Third World Countries. Shipping cost is nickels and dimes.

Peace of cake; and reallly really good fucking cake, too, what with celebrity pastry chefs abounding in the Big Apple.

 

[tjvh]

Hey everyone, long time reader but first time poster on here. Glad to join you all on this board regarding political discussion. I consider myself a rarity nowadays, a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (you could say Libertarian but I don't like going that far, they believe in no government regulation and that I don't agree with). I would like to offer a honest unbiased opinion on why I believe the U.S. needs to start looking at a peaceful break up into 5 Sovereign Countries that can work together in a similar setup to the European Union (E.U.).

I think there is no doubt that we all see it, this country is becoming more and more divided every day. Not too long ago we had 2 major political parties that, while they had different viewpoints, could compromise on issues and generally find the best solution of the country. As we have seen in the last few years though, both the Republican and Democratic Parties have been hijacked by fringe factions within their own groups. For Republicans that is the Tea Party/Sean Hannity/Sarah Palin group that are very far right on Social Issues and honestly worry about Social Issues more than what is really necessary. For Democrats you have the Occupy Group/Union Officials/President Obama/Nancy Pelosi group that truly want what they consider a utopian society, one where everyone is equal and receive the same thing. It is widely believed that they want the United States to have more of a Socialism element which most Americans on both sides are widely against.

As we have seen the two sides go farther and farther apart, our Government (and therefore us, the citizens) have suffered. Congress has become increasingly divided and inefficient, to the point now where Congress is largely unable to pass anything of consequence. Our Government has become crippled with anger and division and no longer has the ability to truly serve the will of the people. The system has become corrupted and the people no longer believe in the system to do what is best for the country. Even worse, we have developed a sizable portion of our population who do not care about the health of the country but their own self interests. This is on both sides, on the right you have the ultra rich that could care less about the majority of the country as long as they get their tax breaks. They will vote for whoever gives them the most tax loopholes. On the left you have the entitlement crowd (not all but some) that believe that someone else should pay for their lifestyle. They will vote for whoever will give them the most amount of freebies. In the middle is most Americans, and it is the middle who is suffering.

Lets look at the U.S. right now like we would a failing marriage. There are 2 options for a couple of a failing marriage. 1) You can either not deal with the issue, eventually have the situation blow up to the point where divorce is inevitable, the divorce is messy and filled with anger, and the 2 sides hate each other. 2) You can admit the marriage is failing, have a fairly drama free divorce where both sides work with each other to make the situation good for each of them, and in the end can maybe still be friends post-divorce. Which option seems better to you? The U.S. is in this same situation right now. If you don't believe me, look at this link, this is going to start happening more and more as both the right and left further entrench their positions. The two sides simply are unable to work with each other.

video.foxnews.com/v/2031772903001

I don't post the following link because I like Fox News, I could care less. I simply post the link because you are going to see more of this. Once communication has broken down the fighting will begin and it's already beginning.

Instead of the U.S. just barely limping along (which it is right now and it's not sustainable) why don't we just agree to a divorce? Just like it is possible to fall out of love it is possible for a Government and Country setup to no longer work. The fact is a Civil War is coming regardless, we can either break up the country now and prevent that or we can go into Civil War and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives will be lost and the U.S. Government will once again have blood on its hands. Why not prevent that and just do the following:

1) The U.S. would break up into the 5 Sovereign Countries:
- The Northeast States of America - New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland.
- The Southeast States of America - Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas.
- The Midwest States of America - Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa.
- The Mountain West States of America - North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Texas, Oklahoma.
- The West Coast States of America - California, Oregon, Washington.

Hawaii can become their own independent nation again like they have always wanted and Alaska could be annexed into Canada which is where it should be in the first place.

The setup could be very similar to the European Union. All 5 Countries would still use the American Dollar (formerly the U.S. dollar) as the countries currency. All 5 Countries could still work together for issues of National Defense. All 5 Countries could easily be setup to where you could freely travel from one country to another just like you would states now (no border, no customs, no passport required). All 5 Countries would have preferred trade status so business between the countries would not be significantly affected. So for the average American there wouldn't be much of a change.

What this would do though is allow each of the individual regions to adapt fiscal and social policies that have a greater reflection on that countries' population and beliefs. Here is how it would probably go:

- The Northeast States of America - Separation of Church and State, High Taxes with High Entitlements, Single Payer System Healthcare, Strong Unions, Wealth Tax, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted, etc..
- The Southeast States of America - Christianity would be the official religion with social policies reflecting that. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, Privatized Healthcare primarily through citizens job, Right to Work, Drugs completely illegal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The Midwest States of America - Separation of Church and State but in a less strict manner. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, a mix of private and public healthcare options, Strong Unions, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted.
- The Mountain West States of America - Very much a Libertarian style government. Very limited government regulation on many issues. Very Low Taxes with No Entitlements (you are on your own type atmosphere). Privatized healthcare, Right to Work, Drugs completely legal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The West Coast States of America - Very much a Socialism style government. Very High Taxes with High Entitlements. Rich are taxed increasingly high with the goal being equality for all. Religion severely restricted, mainly to individual homes (no churches even allowed). Single payer healthcare system. Strong Unions. Drugs completely legal, Abortion legal and available on demand.

I know there will be some criticism of this very idea but I ask you to throw away all your preconceived notions and truly think for at least 10 minutes and ask yourself this question. Would the U.S. be better off being 5 Sovereign Nations that work together? Is the U.S. in its current shape really better than this alternative? I look forward to hearing your responses.

We don't need to break up, we need people to ante up instead of living off the hard work of others.

Which people work hard and who lives off the hard work of others? Consider, the staff at the typical fast food restaurant works hard; the owner of the franchise and stock holders of the parent firm reap the benefits.

Of course that's not what you meant, was it. (covert racism isn't so covert, is it?)

No... I'm talking about the entitlement crowd that is physically capable to work yet chooses not to, who live off the hard work of others. I guess I touched a nerve with you. People always scream racism when their Taxpayer funded lifestyles are threatened.

 

[tjvh]

And they'd be starving.

One of the many reasons they would be killing one another.

Not so. Hear me out:

Sure; NYC needs meat and produce, so all the upscale eateries can craft amazing shit and create new celebrity chefs we rave about. But now the importing them from third world countries just got cheaper. They're real close in, and plentiful, throughout the North American Inland Third World Countries. Shipping cost is nickels and dimes.

Peace of cake; and reallly really good fucking cake, too, what with celebrity pastry chefs abounding in the Big Apple.

Nice try... You made an idiot out of yourself and you're backpedaling hard. What are you going to do? Import canned corn from Spain? Please...

 

[Koios]

One of the many reasons they would be killing one another.

Not so. Hear me out:

Sure; NYC needs meat and produce, so all the upscale eateries can craft amazing shit and create new celebrity chefs we rave about. But now the importing them from third world countries just got cheaper. They're real close in, and plentiful, throughout the North American Inland Third World Countries. Shipping cost is nickels and dimes.

Peace of cake; and reallly really good fucking cake, too, what with celebrity pastry chefs abounding in the Big Apple.

Nice try... You made an idiot out of yourself and you're backpedaling hard. What are you going to do? Import canned corn from Spain? Please...

No. Olive oil from Spain. Cured meats from Germany and Italy. Then cheap shit like corn from thrid world countries like Kansas.

 

[Meister]

Hey everyone, long time reader but first time poster on here. Glad to join you all on this board regarding political discussion. I consider myself a rarity nowadays, a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (you could say Libertarian but I don't like going that far, they believe in no government regulation and that I don't agree with). I would like to offer a honest unbiased opinion on why I believe the U.S. needs to start looking at a peaceful break up into 5 Sovereign Countries that can work together in a similar setup to the European Union (E.U.).

I think there is no doubt that we all see it, this country is becoming more and more divided every day. Not too long ago we had 2 major political parties that, while they had different viewpoints, could compromise on issues and generally find the best solution of the country. As we have seen in the last few years though, both the Republican and Democratic Parties have been hijacked by fringe factions within their own groups. For Republicans that is the Tea Party/Sean Hannity/Sarah Palin group that are very far right on Social Issues and honestly worry about Social Issues more than what is really necessary. For Democrats you have the Occupy Group/Union Officials/President Obama/Nancy Pelosi group that truly want what they consider a utopian society, one where everyone is equal and receive the same thing. It is widely believed that they want the United States to have more of a Socialism element which most Americans on both sides are widely against.

As we have seen the two sides go farther and farther apart, our Government (and therefore us, the citizens) have suffered. Congress has become increasingly divided and inefficient, to the point now where Congress is largely unable to pass anything of consequence. Our Government has become crippled with anger and division and no longer has the ability to truly serve the will of the people. The system has become corrupted and the people no longer believe in the system to do what is best for the country. Even worse, we have developed a sizable portion of our population who do not care about the health of the country but their own self interests. This is on both sides, on the right you have the ultra rich that could care less about the majority of the country as long as they get their tax breaks. They will vote for whoever gives them the most tax loopholes. On the left you have the entitlement crowd (not all but some) that believe that someone else should pay for their lifestyle. They will vote for whoever will give them the most amount of freebies. In the middle is most Americans, and it is the middle who is suffering.

Lets look at the U.S. right now like we would a failing marriage. There are 2 options for a couple of a failing marriage. 1) You can either not deal with the issue, eventually have the situation blow up to the point where divorce is inevitable, the divorce is messy and filled with anger, and the 2 sides hate each other. 2) You can admit the marriage is failing, have a fairly drama free divorce where both sides work with each other to make the situation good for each of them, and in the end can maybe still be friends post-divorce. Which option seems better to you? The U.S. is in this same situation right now. If you don't believe me, look at this link, this is going to start happening more and more as both the right and left further entrench their positions. The two sides simply are unable to work with each other.

video.foxnews.com/v/2031772903001

I don't post the following link because I like Fox News, I could care less. I simply post the link because you are going to see more of this. Once communication has broken down the fighting will begin and it's already beginning.

Instead of the U.S. just barely limping along (which it is right now and it's not sustainable) why don't we just agree to a divorce? Just like it is possible to fall out of love it is possible for a Government and Country setup to no longer work. The fact is a Civil War is coming regardless, we can either break up the country now and prevent that or we can go into Civil War and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives will be lost and the U.S. Government will once again have blood on its hands. Why not prevent that and just do the following:

1) The U.S. would break up into the 5 Sovereign Countries:
- The Northeast States of America - New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland.
- The Southeast States of America - Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas.
- The Midwest States of America - Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa.
- The Mountain West States of America - North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Texas, Oklahoma.
- The West Coast States of America - California, Oregon, Washington.

Hawaii can become their own independent nation again like they have always wanted and Alaska could be annexed into Canada which is where it should be in the first place.

The setup could be very similar to the European Union. All 5 Countries would still use the American Dollar (formerly the U.S. dollar) as the countries currency. All 5 Countries could still work together for issues of National Defense. All 5 Countries could easily be setup to where you could freely travel from one country to another just like you would states now (no border, no customs, no passport required). All 5 Countries would have preferred trade status so business between the countries would not be significantly affected. So for the average American there wouldn't be much of a change.

What this would do though is allow each of the individual regions to adapt fiscal and social policies that have a greater reflection on that countries' population and beliefs. Here is how it would probably go:

- The Northeast States of America - Separation of Church and State, High Taxes with High Entitlements, Single Payer System Healthcare, Strong Unions, Wealth Tax, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted, etc..
- The Southeast States of America - Christianity would be the official religion with social policies reflecting that. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, Privatized Healthcare primarily through citizens job, Right to Work, Drugs completely illegal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The Midwest States of America - Separation of Church and State but in a less strict manner. Low Taxes with Few Entitlements, a mix of private and public healthcare options, Strong Unions, Drugs still illegal except for medical reasons, Abortion legal but restricted.
- The Mountain West States of America - Very much a Libertarian style government. Very limited government regulation on many issues. Very Low Taxes with No Entitlements (you are on your own type atmosphere). Privatized healthcare, Right to Work, Drugs completely legal, Abortion illegal except in cases of the mother's health, incest, or rape, etc.
- The West Coast States of America - Very much a Socialism style government. Very High Taxes with High Entitlements. Rich are taxed increasingly high with the goal being equality for all. Religion severely restricted, mainly to individual homes (no churches even allowed). Single payer healthcare system. Strong Unions. Drugs completely legal, Abortion legal and available on demand.

I know there will be some criticism of this very idea but I ask you to throw away all your preconceived notions and truly think for at least 10 minutes and ask yourself this question. Would the U.S. be better off being 5 Sovereign Nations that work together? Is the U.S. in its current shape really better than this alternative? I look forward to hearing your responses.

We don't need to break up, we need people to ante up instead of living off the hard work of others.

Which people work hard and who lives off the hard work of others? Consider, the staff at the typical fast food restaurant works hard; the owner of the franchise and stock holders of the parent firm reap the benefits.

Of course that's not what you meant, was it. (covert racism isn't so covert, is it?)

Wry, you're either a hardcore socialist, or you're a communist....but you certainly aren't a capitalist.

 

[tjvh]

Not so. Hear me out:

Sure; NYC needs meat and produce, so all the upscale eateries can craft amazing shit and create new celebrity chefs we rave about. But now the importing them from third world countries just got cheaper. They're real close in, and plentiful, throughout the North American Inland Third World Countries. Shipping cost is nickels and dimes.

Peace of cake; and reallly really good fucking cake, too, what with celebrity pastry chefs abounding in the Big Apple.

Nice try... You made an idiot out of yourself and you're backpedaling hard. What are you going to do? Import canned corn from Spain? Please...

No. Olive oil from Spain. Cured meats from Germany and Italy. Then cheap shit like corn from thrid world countries like Kansas.

What makes you think people from Kansas would sell you any? You'll have to make do with food from your Third (not thrid) World countries. You can always baste your neighbors in Olive Oil before you cook them... It will lessen the smell.

 

[g5000]

"I believe the U.S. needs to start looking at a peaceful break up into 5 Sovereign Countries that can work together in a similar setup to the European Union (E.U.)."

Oh, really?

How's that working out for the EU? I've heard some things...




Rise of extremist right wing white supremacists in Greece.

The North-South divide in the EU, getting wider by the day.

Speaking of secession: There's one going on in Spain.


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[Koios]

Nice try... You made an idiot out of yourself and you're backpedaling hard. What are you going to do? Import canned corn from Spain? Please...

No. Olive oil from Spain. Cured meats from Germany and Italy. Then cheap shit like corn from thrid world countries like Kansas.

What makes you think people from Kansas would sell you any? You'll have to make do with food from your Third (not thrid) World countries. You can always baste your neighbors in Olive Oil before you cook them... It will lessen the smell.

Because they'd be dirt fucking poor having a commodity that's in vastly greater supply than demand, and with no fancy resteraunts and big bux Liberal coast wage earners paying taxes that go to subsidizing them, and buying up excess corn to keep prices higher, the villagers living in huts in tornado alley will sell at any price they can get to anyone who wants it. It'll be a buyer's market for corn, and not a seller's market for peasant farmers in Kansas.

Fucking windfall for NYC. Screw just getting cured meats from Italy and Germany. Bring in the wild boar ham from the Basque Region of Spain. We're living large having peasant farming so near.

 

[tjvh]

No. Olive oil from Spain. Cured meats from Germany and Italy. Then cheap shit like corn from thrid world countries like Kansas.

What makes you think people from Kansas would sell you any? You'll have to make do with food from your Third (not thrid) World countries. You can always baste your neighbors in Olive Oil before you cook them... It will lessen the smell.

Because they'd be dirt fucking poor having a commodity that's in vastly greater supply than demand, and with no fancy resteraunts and big bux Liberal coast wage earners paying taxes the go to subsidize them, and buy up excess keeping corn prices high, the villager living in huts in tornado alley will sell at any price they can get to anyone who wants it. It'll be a buyer's market for corn, and not a seller's market for peasant farmers in Kansas.

Fucking windfall for NYC. Screwjust getting cured meats from Italy and Germany. Bring in the wild boar ham from the Basque Region of Spain. We're living large having peasant farming so near.

Nah... They'll just turn it into fuel to run all of those gas guzzling V-8's while you eat your neighbors.

 

[g5000]

The financial services sector is currently pulling in at least a third of all US corporate profits.

Yeah. A third of all the money being made in America.

And that sector is centered in New York and Connecticut.

So if the country split up, I would recommend those two states make their own country.

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[Koios]

What makes you think people from Kansas would sell you any? You'll have to make do with food from your Third (not thrid) World countries. You can always baste your neighbors in Olive Oil before you cook them... It will lessen the smell.

Because they'd be dirt fucking poor having a commodity that's in vastly greater supply than demand, and with no fancy resteraunts and big bux Liberal coast wage earners paying taxes the go to subsidize them, and buy up excess keeping corn prices high, the villager living in huts in tornado alley will sell at any price they can get to anyone who wants it. It'll be a buyer's market for corn, and not a seller's market for peasant farmers in Kansas.

Fucking windfall for NYC. Screwjust getting cured meats from Italy and Germany. Bring in the wild boar ham from the Basque Region of Spain. We're living large having peasant farming so near.

Nah... They'll just turn it into fuel to run all of those gas guzzling V-8's while you eat your neighbors.

Really? Farmers have the tech and funding to make Alcohol and can compete with Brasil? Yippee for them. Meanwhile, in NYC, we have all the dough, and can buy whatever the fuck we want and not have to pay for research on turning corn into something that'll sell.

Jesuschrist, I'm getting a woodie. Fuck midwest beef. Get the folks in Argentina sending calves to Kobe Japan. Damnit. We deserve some decent steaks, since we're so fucking rich, paying less for commodities and not having to carry the water for them backward fucking Red States. Happy days ahead.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Also, as a continuation to the proposal (I forgot to mention this in the original post) there would a 5 year transition period of going from the U.S. to these Sovereign Countries. I think the good thing about my proposal is that most of the policies that would be enacted in the Sovereign Countries would reflect their population so most people would not have to move.

With that said, a 5 year transition period would let people move to whatever country they are going to want to be in and would give each Sovereign Country time to hold elections, set up their system of government, and ensure a smooth transition.

I'm going to ignore, for a moment, the rather self-congratulatory and mistaken reasons you think are behind the need for division, and merely point out that the problem with your plan is exactly the same problem that existed with the South's plan to go their own way peacefully: ain't no way the federal government is EVER going to accept any sort of diminution of their power and control over things.