Why the science doesnt matter!!!

[skookerasbil]

More evidence of massive data fudging "ALL THE TIME"..........

He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past? | Power Line


Yet another reason.......nobody cares about the science.

 

[flacaltenn]

More evidence of massive data fudging "ALL THE TIME"..........

He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past? | Power Line


Yet another reason.......nobody cares about the science.

Just because we have Govt agencies subverting science --- doesn't mean that science won't prevail.. This is too arrogant and too blatant to stand.. Would rep ya if I could !!!

I've stashed this in the vault.. Only NSA or Chinese hackers can further monkey with the data...

 

[Flopper]

As Ive been saying forever on here, nobody cares about the science!! The climate crusading OCD's on here talk about "cults" and "deniers" being "clueless".......but who really are the clueless here?

NO MATTER WHAT the science says, the harsh reality is that the only way the AGW absolutists propose to fight the devastation from CO2 is by banning fossil fuels and replacing them with renewables, chiefly, wind and solar. These are state of the art for the climate crusaders.

But upon closer inspection, wind power, for example, is a veritable joke.......thus, no matter what the science says, fossil fuels are here to stay no matter how loud the climate nutters try to indict the deniers. 100% certainty on this.........

Consider some facts on wind.........



Tilt away from windmills[/B


Power subsidies cost taxpayers, kill jobs

Saturday, July 13, 2013

“The thing about money is that when you have it you don’t need it and when you need it you don’t have it,” my grandfather used to tell me. He could have said the same thing about wind power. It’s most abundant when demand for energy is lowest and least abundant when demand is highest. No amount of subsidy, no amount of federal or state regulation can change this simple fact. Because of this, wind power can never live up to its advocates’ promises. They would have us believe that subsidizing wind energy can improve U.S. energy security. But since wind turbines can’t be strapped to the top of your car, it isn’t clear how.

Most of America’s electrical power is produced from domestic energy sources, with coal, natural gas and hydroelectric accounting for 75 percent of our total power generation. The United States is either self-sufficient or soon will be in all of them. Nuclear power, which provides 19 percent of our power, is the only major electric power source in which the United States isn’t self-sufficient. But with 40 percent of the world’s recoverable reserves of uranium held by longstanding allies Canada and Australia, we don’t need to be. At the same time, wind power carries its own set of energy security problems. The next generation of wind turbines will require 6,614 pounds of copper and 95.24 pounds of rare earth minerals per megawatt capacity of generation. The United States now imports 35 percent of its copper and is facing increased competition for these resources from rival China, which already accounts for 40 percent of global demand. Wind energy subsidy advocates claim that subsidies help create jobs. Subsidized wind power generation doesn’t create jobs; it simply redistributes jobs to a much smaller group of people.Subsidized wind power only “creates” jobs by displacing workers in the more efficient conventional energy sectors and the general economy. That’s been the case in every country it’s been tried. Spain’s renewable energy programs destroyed 2.2 jobs for every one they’ve created; the United Kingdom’s green energy programs destroyed 3.7 jobs for every one they created; and Italy could have either created 6.9 jobs in the conventional energy sectors or 4.8 jobs in the general economy for the money it spent creating each renewable job, according to Italy’s prestigious Bruno Leoni Institute.


Apparently wind energy advocates don’t know what anyone who has ever earned a paycheck knows: There’s a difference between gross and net. Wind subsidy proponents also argue that wind energy will help significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but just how isn’t clear. Because wind power is intermittent and unpredictable, adding wind power to our power generation makes it less efficient and, consequently, more likely to produce — not reduce — emissions. This occurs because wind offers the most power when it is in greatest supply, driving electricity prices down in the short term and prompting power companies to retire less profitable base load and intermediate power plants. This makes power companies even more reliant on less efficient, more costly, fossil fuel back-up generation that’s needed during peak demand periods when wind turbines are often idle. To put it another way: If wind subsidies fall, the American people will reap a windfall.



- See more at: Tilt away from windmills | Boston Herald






losing

Since getting the nations of the world to work together to seriously reduce CO2 is not going to happen, nature will handle the problem for us. As world populations fall, so will C02 emissions. Most probably the planet will stabilize in 500 years or so. Problem solved.

 

[skookerasbil]

As Ive been saying forever on here, nobody cares about the science!! The climate crusading OCD's on here talk about "cults" and "deniers" being "clueless".......but who really are the clueless here?

NO MATTER WHAT the science says, the harsh reality is that the only way the AGW absolutists propose to fight the devastation from CO2 is by banning fossil fuels and replacing them with renewables, chiefly, wind and solar. These are state of the art for the climate crusaders.

But upon closer inspection, wind power, for example, is a veritable joke.......thus, no matter what the science says, fossil fuels are here to stay no matter how loud the climate nutters try to indict the deniers. 100% certainty on this.........

Consider some facts on wind.........



Tilt away from windmills[/B


Power subsidies cost taxpayers, kill jobs

Saturday, July 13, 2013

“The thing about money is that when you have it you don’t need it and when you need it you don’t have it,” my grandfather used to tell me. He could have said the same thing about wind power. It’s most abundant when demand for energy is lowest and least abundant when demand is highest. No amount of subsidy, no amount of federal or state regulation can change this simple fact. Because of this, wind power can never live up to its advocates’ promises. They would have us believe that subsidizing wind energy can improve U.S. energy security. But since wind turbines can’t be strapped to the top of your car, it isn’t clear how.

Most of America’s electrical power is produced from domestic energy sources, with coal, natural gas and hydroelectric accounting for 75 percent of our total power generation. The United States is either self-sufficient or soon will be in all of them. Nuclear power, which provides 19 percent of our power, is the only major electric power source in which the United States isn’t self-sufficient. But with 40 percent of the world’s recoverable reserves of uranium held by longstanding allies Canada and Australia, we don’t need to be. At the same time, wind power carries its own set of energy security problems. The next generation of wind turbines will require 6,614 pounds of copper and 95.24 pounds of rare earth minerals per megawatt capacity of generation. The United States now imports 35 percent of its copper and is facing increased competition for these resources from rival China, which already accounts for 40 percent of global demand. Wind energy subsidy advocates claim that subsidies help create jobs. Subsidized wind power generation doesn’t create jobs; it simply redistributes jobs to a much smaller group of people.Subsidized wind power only “creates” jobs by displacing workers in the more efficient conventional energy sectors and the general economy. That’s been the case in every country it’s been tried. Spain’s renewable energy programs destroyed 2.2 jobs for every one they’ve created; the United Kingdom’s green energy programs destroyed 3.7 jobs for every one they created; and Italy could have either created 6.9 jobs in the conventional energy sectors or 4.8 jobs in the general economy for the money it spent creating each renewable job, according to Italy’s prestigious Bruno Leoni Institute.


Apparently wind energy advocates don’t know what anyone who has ever earned a paycheck knows: There’s a difference between gross and net. Wind subsidy proponents also argue that wind energy will help significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but just how isn’t clear. Because wind power is intermittent and unpredictable, adding wind power to our power generation makes it less efficient and, consequently, more likely to produce — not reduce — emissions. This occurs because wind offers the most power when it is in greatest supply, driving electricity prices down in the short term and prompting power companies to retire less profitable base load and intermediate power plants. This makes power companies even more reliant on less efficient, more costly, fossil fuel back-up generation that’s needed during peak demand periods when wind turbines are often idle. To put it another way: If wind subsidies fall, the American people will reap a windfall.



- See more at: Tilt away from windmills | Boston Herald






losing

Since getting the nations of the world to work together to seriously reduce CO2 is not going to happen, nature will handle the problem for us. As world populations fall, so will C02 emissions. Most probably the planet will stabilize in 500 years or so. Problem solved.

Well s0n......miracles do happen. Who knows? Perhaps some Gandalf-like figure will emerge and convince world leaders to move populations to accepting returning to a lifestyle circa 1820!!! Get people to turn in their cars and bike it to work. Shitcan their cell phones for Little Rascals concentrated orange juice can communications systems. Bring the Mayflower and ships like it out of mothballs to take people across oceans. Convince folks that air conditioning is no longer a viable option on hot days. Shut the coal plants tomorrow and put 2.5 million people out of work overnight..........

Could happen if we just put out collective minds to it I guess........


Or how about this.......you are a perpetual bubble dwelling asshat k00k who, like other far left dangerous assholes, have an inate inability to connect the dots.


Fortunately for the rest of us who can actually do the connect the dots exercises of life, we're not going to have a massive exercise of shooting ourselves in the face to see if the theory works!!!


Theres a new movie out about a huge bubble over a town. I say we build one of these for the environmental nutters and let them do all of their k00k experiments all they want!!! We could even go visit them every so often.......wave at them there in the bubble!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

I'll tell you what science should be prioritized in 2013......and it isn't climate science either.

We need to spend billions trying to evaluate the minds of the far left after death. Find out what the fuck kind of pathology exists with the setting screws that makes reasoned thinking so unlikely. We could solve a lot of the worlds problems if we were able to find out some kind of genetic fuck up that could possibly be corrected via pharmachological aid, surgery or whatever. What is it that enables these people to be able to make policy proposals with zero regard to "costs". Its fascinating!!!! The thinking is fascinating......solve this and the misery level decreases for all people by 50%.

 

[skookerasbil]

An excellent article from a writer at REALCLEAR on the faulty thinking of the left on energy.......

RealClearScience - The Arrogance of a Well-Fed Society


Indeed........if the environmentalists were put in charge of energy policy, they would doom peoples in the developing world.......kill tens of millions if not billions due to lack of electricity attendant with their agenda. They don't consider that though.......ever. It is conveniently ignored by most and not even considered by many. They don't realize something that the majority of the population.......thank God.......does: that life generally boils down to making two choices: suck vs suckier. You have to choose one and live with the consequences. To people on the far left, life should have solutions to all problems.......but their solutions simply cause other problems, often far bigger problems. Sadly, their thinking doesn't allow them to recognize it........which is fcuking fascinating on some level.

 

[Flopper]

As Ive been saying forever on here, nobody cares about the science!! The climate crusading OCD's on here talk about "cults" and "deniers" being "clueless".......but who really are the clueless here?

NO MATTER WHAT the science says, the harsh reality is that the only way the AGW absolutists propose to fight the devastation from CO2 is by banning fossil fuels and replacing them with renewables, chiefly, wind and solar. These are state of the art for the climate crusaders.

But upon closer inspection, wind power, for example, is a veritable joke.......thus, no matter what the science says, fossil fuels are here to stay no matter how loud the climate nutters try to indict the deniers. 100% certainty on this.........

Consider some facts on wind.........



Tilt away from windmills[/B


Power subsidies cost taxpayers, kill jobs

Saturday, July 13, 2013

“The thing about money is that when you have it you don’t need it and when you need it you don’t have it,” my grandfather used to tell me. He could have said the same thing about wind power. It’s most abundant when demand for energy is lowest and least abundant when demand is highest. No amount of subsidy, no amount of federal or state regulation can change this simple fact. Because of this, wind power can never live up to its advocates’ promises. They would have us believe that subsidizing wind energy can improve U.S. energy security. But since wind turbines can’t be strapped to the top of your car, it isn’t clear how.

Most of America’s electrical power is produced from domestic energy sources, with coal, natural gas and hydroelectric accounting for 75 percent of our total power generation. The United States is either self-sufficient or soon will be in all of them. Nuclear power, which provides 19 percent of our power, is the only major electric power source in which the United States isn’t self-sufficient. But with 40 percent of the world’s recoverable reserves of uranium held by longstanding allies Canada and Australia, we don’t need to be. At the same time, wind power carries its own set of energy security problems. The next generation of wind turbines will require 6,614 pounds of copper and 95.24 pounds of rare earth minerals per megawatt capacity of generation. The United States now imports 35 percent of its copper and is facing increased competition for these resources from rival China, which already accounts for 40 percent of global demand. Wind energy subsidy advocates claim that subsidies help create jobs. Subsidized wind power generation doesn’t create jobs; it simply redistributes jobs to a much smaller group of people.Subsidized wind power only “creates” jobs by displacing workers in the more efficient conventional energy sectors and the general economy. That’s been the case in every country it’s been tried. Spain’s renewable energy programs destroyed 2.2 jobs for every one they’ve created; the United Kingdom’s green energy programs destroyed 3.7 jobs for every one they created; and Italy could have either created 6.9 jobs in the conventional energy sectors or 4.8 jobs in the general economy for the money it spent creating each renewable job, according to Italy’s prestigious Bruno Leoni Institute.


Apparently wind energy advocates don’t know what anyone who has ever earned a paycheck knows: There’s a difference between gross and net. Wind subsidy proponents also argue that wind energy will help significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but just how isn’t clear. Because wind power is intermittent and unpredictable, adding wind power to our power generation makes it less efficient and, consequently, more likely to produce — not reduce — emissions. This occurs because wind offers the most power when it is in greatest supply, driving electricity prices down in the short term and prompting power companies to retire less profitable base load and intermediate power plants. This makes power companies even more reliant on less efficient, more costly, fossil fuel back-up generation that’s needed during peak demand periods when wind turbines are often idle. To put it another way: If wind subsidies fall, the American people will reap a windfall.



- See more at: Tilt away from windmills | Boston Herald






losing

Since getting the nations of the world to work together to seriously reduce CO2 is not going to happen, nature will handle the problem for us. As world populations fall, so will C02 emissions. Most probably the planet will stabilize in 500 years or so. Problem solved.

Well s0n......miracles do happen. Who knows? Perhaps some Gandalf-like figure will emerge and convince world leaders to move populations to accepting returning to a lifestyle circa 1820!!! Get people to turn in their cars and bike it to work. Shitcan their cell phones for Little Rascals concentrated orange juice can communications systems. Bring the Mayflower and ships like it out of mothballs to take people across oceans. Convince folks that air conditioning is no longer a viable option on hot days. Shut the coal plants tomorrow and put 2.5 million people out of work overnight..........

Could happen if we just put out collective minds to it I guess........


Or how about this.......you are a perpetual bubble dwelling asshat k00k who, like other far left dangerous assholes, have an inate inability to connect the dots.


Fortunately for the rest of us who can actually do the connect the dots exercises of life, we're not going to have a massive exercise of shooting ourselves in the face to see if the theory works!!!


Theres a new movie out about a huge bubble over a town. I say we build one of these for the environmental nutters and let them do all of their k00k experiments all they want!!! We could even go visit them every so often.......wave at them there in the bubble!!!

As I said, nations are not going to work together to solve the problem, at least not in my lifetime. Most of the world population is just beginning to live the good life and they're not about to make sacrifices for the sake on their great grandchildren. Maybe in 50 or a hundred years when the effects of climate change are jeopardizing their life style people will make the kind of changes needed.

 

[skookerasbil]

Since getting the nations of the world to work together to seriously reduce CO2 is not going to happen, nature will handle the problem for us. As world populations fall, so will C02 emissions. Most probably the planet will stabilize in 500 years or so. Problem solved.

Well s0n......miracles do happen. Who knows? Perhaps some Gandalf-like figure will emerge and convince world leaders to move populations to accepting returning to a lifestyle circa 1820!!! Get people to turn in their cars and bike it to work. Shitcan their cell phones for Little Rascals concentrated orange juice can communications systems. Bring the Mayflower and ships like it out of mothballs to take people across oceans. Convince folks that air conditioning is no longer a viable option on hot days. Shut the coal plants tomorrow and put 2.5 million people out of work overnight..........

Could happen if we just put out collective minds to it I guess........


Or how about this.......you are a perpetual bubble dwelling asshat k00k who, like other far left dangerous assholes, have an inate inability to connect the dots.


Fortunately for the rest of us who can actually do the connect the dots exercises of life, we're not going to have a massive exercise of shooting ourselves in the face to see if the theory works!!!


Theres a new movie out about a huge bubble over a town. I say we build one of these for the environmental nutters and let them do all of their k00k experiments all they want!!! We could even go visit them every so often.......wave at them there in the bubble!!!

As I said, nations are not going to work together to solve the problem, at least not in my lifetime. Most of the world population is just beginning to live the good life and they're not about to make sacrifices for the sake on their great grandchildren. Maybe in 50 or a hundred years when the effects of climate change are jeopardizing their life style people will make the kind of changes needed.

philosophy is gay

 

[skookerasbil]

the climate crusaders hate this thread........

 

[skookerasbil]

still losing

 

[skookerasbil]

Another reason the whole AGW effort has come to a grinding halt.......all the fake stuff and bogus data >>>


Like the latest bogus north pole melt video........a total crock of crap >>>>


http://barnabyisright.com/2013/07/28/climate-deception-exposed-the-north-pole-ice-melt-video-scare/






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[flacaltenn]

Another reason the whole AGW effort has come to a grinding halt.......all the fake stuff and bogus data >>>


Like the latest bogus north pole melt video........a total crock of crap >>>>


Climate Deception Exposed: The North Pole Ice Melt Video Scare | Barnaby Is Right






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So we want to know what the KID has to say.. And whether he got expelled for heresy...


Or is that YOU just a mere 4 or 5 years ago?? :LOL:

 

[ABikerSailor]

Another reason the whole AGW effort has come to a grinding halt.......all the fake stuff and bogus data >>>


Like the latest bogus north pole melt video........a total crock of crap >>>>


Climate Deception Exposed: The North Pole Ice Melt Video Scare | Barnaby Is Right






[URL=http://s42.photobucket.com/user/baldaltima/media/FunnyScienceFair13-3.jpg.html][/URL]

I'm guessing you're one of those conspiracy theorists who also think the moon landing was faked as well.

 

[skookerasbil]

Another reason the whole AGW effort has come to a grinding halt.......all the fake stuff and bogus data >>>


Like the latest bogus north pole melt video........a total crock of crap >>>>


Climate Deception Exposed: The North Pole Ice Melt Video Scare | Barnaby Is Right






[URL=http://s42.photobucket.com/user/baldaltima/media/FunnyScienceFair13-3.jpg.html][/URL]

I'm guessing you're one of those conspiracy theorists who also think the moon landing was faked as well.

yuk......yuk........






Who's not winning?

 

[Abraham3]

That would be you. Your chart shows Wind/Solar/Biofuel with the highest growth rate. Where do you think that takes it by, say, 2100?

When you rejected science, did you also reject basic math?

 

[skookerasbil]

That would be you. Your chart shows Wind/Solar/Biofuel with the highest growth rate. Where do you think that takes it by, say, 2100?

When you rejected science, did you also reject basic math?

fAiL s0n......plenty of fossil fuels by 2100......still.




And by then anyway, there will be energy innovations that will make people laugh at the gayness of solar and wind.

Anyway.......we'll be a long time in the box by then!!!!

 

[ABikerSailor]

That would be you. Your chart shows Wind/Solar/Biofuel with the highest growth rate. Where do you think that takes it by, say, 2100?

When you rejected science, did you also reject basic math?

fAiL s0n......plenty of fossil fuels by 2100......still.




And by then anyway, there will be energy innovations that will make people laugh at the gayness of solar and wind.

Anyway.......we'll be a long time in the box by then!!!!

Interesting...................Skooter the Ass Gerbil thinks that by 2100 we're all going to be in the box..................

I guess according to him, there is no point in having kids. By 2100 we're all going to be in the box.

Even though he doesn't believe we're crapping up the planet, he predicts it....................

Interesting...............

 

[Wroberson]

I think think the main problem with the science is that the facts were flawed from the start. The only reason the removed the medieval warm period was so they could show that the change in temperature would be greater and sharper.

On either side of the issue, what's in it for you?

Are you worried or concerned about the planet being destroyed?
Is it that you are afraid you are going to die?
Is it about the high price of gas and the economy?

I'm on this rock for another 50 years and I'm going to follow the predetermined path.
If free will wasn't an illusion, then yeah, I'd have free choice.
For me, I like reading about the sun, asteroids, comets, volcanoes, earthquakes.
It's the best entertainment outside of getting laid.

 

[gslack]

I think think the main problem with the science is that the facts were flawed from the start. The only reason the removed the medieval warm period was so they could show that the change in temperature would be greater and sharper.

On either side of the issue, what's in it for you?

Are you worried or concerned about the planet being destroyed?
Is it that you are afraid you are going to die?
Is it about the high price of gas and the economy?

I'm on this rock for another 50 years and I'm going to follow the predetermined path.
If free will wasn't an illusion, then yeah, I'd have free choice.
For me, I like reading about the sun, asteroids, comets, volcanoes, earthquakes.
It's the best entertainment outside of getting laid.

Oh stop you drama queen.. The world isn't being destroyed, in a million years the world will be here, we won't.. Get a grip..


And the warming period was left out to give a false impression of a nonstop and unprecedented warming trend.. Admitting they intentionally left it out to deceive isn'tan excuse for it, it's an admission..

 

[skookerasbil]

LMAO.......dang....... the climate crusader k00ks must really hate GSlack who consistently comes in here and blows their shit up in jaw dropping fashion. I love coming in here and laughing my balls off every morning seeing it too. What is funnier though is watching the climate k00ks come right back the next day only to see them get schooled again and again and again. Its like I have my own personal comedy forum to visit everyday to get some good laughs......and of course, it is a fucking hoot to put the exclamation points up with my gay MSPAINT Photobucket Classics