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As long as we banish those that worship at the altar of big government, I'm cool with that.
The scary thing is you think that there are people who actually "Worship" big government.
Nobody actually does that.
Some people think Government is better at some things than the private sector. That's all.
Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists
The Final Letter, as Sent
To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.
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Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
lol.... you just bit the big one on this thread, superchicky.................
Jefferson comforted the Baptists of Danbury, who feared that the federal government would impose a state religion.
Now....take notes, you dunce, so you don't embarrass yourself again:
"To provide some context, “the Baptists who supported Jefferson were outsiders — a beleaguered religious and political minority in region where a Congregationalist-Federalist axis dominated political life.” They were seeking reassurances of a religion friendly disposition from their new president who was horribly vilified during the election as an “infidel and atheist.” This rumor had become so widespread during the presidential campaign, New England housewives were known to have buried their family Bibles in the backyards so fearful that the new Administration would confiscate their Holy Scriptures.
So this famous letter having to do with the ‘wall of separation between church and state’ was a political statement giving his reassurances to the Baptists that he was a friend to religion, and a response to the vilification he received from the Federalist Congregationalist establishment in Connecticut. This was not a definitive manifesto on the relationship between government and religion.
President Jefferson supported the use of federal funds to be used to build churches and to help Christian missionary work among the Indians."
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a blog? lol.... i am addressing your OP, you silly little thing. no one is banishing your special brand of christianity. & the second i see 'saul alinsky' dragged into it.... blah blah fucking blah, .....any sense of credibility flies right out the window.
Probably oughtta tackle the fetuscide issue first...
My point is it takes the irrationality of religious fervor to think that.
I'm not the only one that understands that it doesn't matter if you call it worship, that's exactly what you're doing.
They seek to replace God with The State, in order to do away with any vestige of human conscience and permit The State to define what is good and what is evil.
Every attempt they've made throughout their history has failed miserably and killed millions in the process, even in this supposed "enlightened" modern age.
To control the masses, the state first convinced people that their leader was a god. Then when that no longer worked they convinced the masses that their leader spoke for God. Then when that no longer worked they convinced the masses that there is no God, thus making them the ultimate god like authority again.
How did you work fascism into that assertion?...from the public arena and the public's consciousness: because it is the only way Leftism can survive.
1. The Founders were all deeply religious, steeped in Judeo-Christian tradition and the Bible. This was the warning:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
2. Compare that to the worldview of the elites, and the operators of government school:
"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913
3. Those who have accepted Liberalism, postmodernism, Progressivism, mock the idea of the Judeo-Christian God, and compare same to Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.
And, they must.
Because if they accept the traditional view of God....then they would be forced to accept the corollary, the view that Evil, or Satan, or Lucifer, exist as well.....and the evidence would prove that Leftism is animated by that evil.
4. Compare Ronald Reagan's response to the what he named 'the evil empire' to Obama, who embraced and supported evil early on in his political career.
And, this is no surprise, as Barack Obama's mentor was Saul Alinsky, proud of his affiliation with the personification of evil:
"Alinsky dedicated his book to none other than the fallen angel Lucifer, yes that Lucifer, whom he describes as "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment (that would be God) and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom." Webutante: The Late Saul Alinsky, Obama's Radical Community Organizer Inspirer-in-Chief
If the true animator of Leftism was revealed....the American people would never support any of its iterations:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
Never.
So....their mission is to banish God and religion.
Probably oughtta tackle the fetuscide issue first...
Why? Abortion is a good thing. I wouldn't want to share my street with millions of people whose parents didn't want them.
My point is it takes the irrationality of religious fervor to think that.
I'm not the only one that understands that it doesn't matter if you call it worship, that's exactly what you're doing.
Okay, not really.
you see, I used to worship a God. And I prayed to that God, "God, please don't let my mom die of cancer."
And she died of cancer, because there is no God.
No, my relationship to government isn't anything like that. I pay my taxes (begrudgingly, I could probably cheat a lot more than I do) and I expect government to do the things they promised. if they don't keep their promises, I vote them out and replace them with people who will.
Can't vote God out of office, so that's not even close to the same thing.
Exactly as I stated:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky
PC must be a troll, I have never seen a post or thread that diverges from a standard hatred of the other and/or human development. There is never a sign of humanity nor kindness and tolerance in her threads which are constant negatives. It is the same bitterness over and over again. If not a troll a bitter sad person who really needs a life. You aren't a Russian are you?
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It is hard for me to imagine life as PolitcalChic lives it? A bitter, remorseful resentment so strong that she fails to see how complex all ideas are and how they change and mutate through time. What kind of social, spiritual life can one have when one is so narrowly focused? Eric Hoffer captures the mood of so lost a soul.
"The remarkable thing is that we really love our neighbors as ourselves: we do unto others as we do unto ourselves. We hate others when we hate ourselves. We are tolerant of others when we tolerate ourselves. We forgive others when we forgive ourselves." Eric Hoffer
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Your Mom died of cancer because cancer kills. That doesn't, however, negate the people who have seen miraculous cancer cures through prayer.
You're treating God as if He is an ATM. If you push the right buttons in the right sequence, the goodies fall into your lap. That's not the case.
Pay attention... You haven't provided proof of your assertion. Also monarchy, and democracy aren't on your list. Both of which have examples of similar, if not same; end results as select examples of the governing types you do mention. There is great disparity within your incomplete assertion. Pay attention.How did you work fascism into that assertion?...from the public arena and the public's consciousness: because it is the only way Leftism can survive.
1. The Founders were all deeply religious, steeped in Judeo-Christian tradition and the Bible. This was the warning:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
2. Compare that to the worldview of the elites, and the operators of government school:
"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913
3. Those who have accepted Liberalism, postmodernism, Progressivism, mock the idea of the Judeo-Christian God, and compare same to Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.
And, they must.
Because if they accept the traditional view of God....then they would be forced to accept the corollary, the view that Evil, or Satan, or Lucifer, exist as well.....and the evidence would prove that Leftism is animated by that evil.
4. Compare Ronald Reagan's response to the what he named 'the evil empire' to Obama, who embraced and supported evil early on in his political career.
And, this is no surprise, as Barack Obama's mentor was Saul Alinsky, proud of his affiliation with the personification of evil:
"Alinsky dedicated his book to none other than the fallen angel Lucifer, yes that Lucifer, whom he describes as "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment (that would be God) and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom." Webutante: The Late Saul Alinsky, Obama's Radical Community Organizer Inspirer-in-Chief
If the true animator of Leftism was revealed....the American people would never support any of its iterations:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
Never.
So....their mission is to banish God and religion.
Pay attention.
There is not the slightest difference in the outcome for society as dictated by these six:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
They seek to replace God with The State, in order to do away with any vestige of human conscience and permit The State to define what is good and what is evil.
Every attempt they've made throughout their history has failed miserably and killed millions in the process, even in this supposed "enlightened" modern age.
To control the masses, the state first convinced people that their leader was a god. Then when that no longer worked they convinced the masses that their leader spoke for God. Then when that no longer worked they convinced the masses that there is no God, thus making them the ultimate god like authority again.
Your Mom died of cancer because cancer kills. That doesn't, however, negate the people who have seen miraculous cancer cures through prayer.
Never happens. Ever.
You're treating God as if He is an ATM. If you push the right buttons in the right sequence, the goodies fall into your lap. That's not the case.
No, I don't treat God as anything.
An ATM would require me to have money in my account, so it's not a good analogy. There is no God, therefore no buttons to push.
The thing is, the Priests and the Nuns told us for years that we we JUST PRAYED HARD ENOUGH, God would do all these things for us.
And the nasty old Dyke Nun who made a large part of my childhood miserable had the fucking nerve to say "God had a good reason".
I wish I had pushed her fucking head into the nearest wall!
Pay attention... You haven't provided proof of your assertion. Also monarchy, and democracy aren't on your list. Both of which have examples of similar, if not same; end results as select examples of the governing types you do mention. There is great disparity within your incomplete assertion. Pay attention.How did you work fascism into that assertion?...from the public arena and the public's consciousness: because it is the only way Leftism can survive.
1. The Founders were all deeply religious, steeped in Judeo-Christian tradition and the Bible. This was the warning:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
2. Compare that to the worldview of the elites, and the operators of government school:
"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913
3. Those who have accepted Liberalism, postmodernism, Progressivism, mock the idea of the Judeo-Christian God, and compare same to Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.
And, they must.
Because if they accept the traditional view of God....then they would be forced to accept the corollary, the view that Evil, or Satan, or Lucifer, exist as well.....and the evidence would prove that Leftism is animated by that evil.
4. Compare Ronald Reagan's response to the what he named 'the evil empire' to Obama, who embraced and supported evil early on in his political career.
And, this is no surprise, as Barack Obama's mentor was Saul Alinsky, proud of his affiliation with the personification of evil:
"Alinsky dedicated his book to none other than the fallen angel Lucifer, yes that Lucifer, whom he describes as "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment (that would be God) and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom." Webutante: The Late Saul Alinsky, Obama's Radical Community Organizer Inspirer-in-Chief
If the true animator of Leftism was revealed....the American people would never support any of its iterations:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
Never.
So....their mission is to banish God and religion.
Pay attention.
There is not the slightest difference in the outcome for society as dictated by these six:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
I get it. You're mad because God didn't miraculously spare your mother. That still doesn't negate the miracles other people have seen.
As long as we banish those that worship at the altar of big government, I'm cool with that.
The scary thing is you think that there are people who actually "Worship" big government.
Nobody actually does that.
Some people think Government is better at some things than the private sector. That's all.
My point is it takes the irrationality of religious fervor to think that.
I'm not the only one that understands that it doesn't matter if you call it worship, that's exactly what you're doing.
Every form of governance that has ever existed, has engaged in the "grievances" you have listed. Every single onePay attention... You haven't provided proof of your assertion. Also monarchy, and democracy aren't on your list. Both of which have examples of similar, if not same; end results as select examples of the governing types you do mention. There is great disparity within your incomplete assertion. Pay attention.How did you work fascism into that assertion?...from the public arena and the public's consciousness: because it is the only way Leftism can survive.
1. The Founders were all deeply religious, steeped in Judeo-Christian tradition and the Bible. This was the warning:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
2. Compare that to the worldview of the elites, and the operators of government school:
"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913
3. Those who have accepted Liberalism, postmodernism, Progressivism, mock the idea of the Judeo-Christian God, and compare same to Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.
And, they must.
Because if they accept the traditional view of God....then they would be forced to accept the corollary, the view that Evil, or Satan, or Lucifer, exist as well.....and the evidence would prove that Leftism is animated by that evil.
4. Compare Ronald Reagan's response to the what he named 'the evil empire' to Obama, who embraced and supported evil early on in his political career.
And, this is no surprise, as Barack Obama's mentor was Saul Alinsky, proud of his affiliation with the personification of evil:
"Alinsky dedicated his book to none other than the fallen angel Lucifer, yes that Lucifer, whom he describes as "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment (that would be God) and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom." Webutante: The Late Saul Alinsky, Obama's Radical Community Organizer Inspirer-in-Chief
If the true animator of Leftism was revealed....the American people would never support any of its iterations:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
Never.
So....their mission is to banish God and religion.
Pay attention.
There is not the slightest difference in the outcome for society as dictated by these six:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism or Fascism.
OK...OK....stop begging.
I'll provide the lacunae of which government school deprived you.
Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....
1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life
9. Which restricts free speech and thought?
10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”
And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.
They are all the same in their ultimate plan for society: a totalitarian regime with the peons marching lock-step.
Nazism
Communism
Socialism
Fascism
Progressivism
Liberalism
How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.
