Why is there a rush to pass Healthcare reform before Christmas? Anyone?

[Granny]

Granny, you're just a fear monger.

Granny understands history and the fact that it tends to repeat itself. Liberal numbnuts suffer from wealth envy too much to pay attention to history. They think there's going to be milk and honey flowing equally to all the worker bees when socialism is the norm. It will flow only to government workers and will be paid for by the dumb masses...forever.

What idiots the liberals have become...cheering on the very destruction of this nation.

Wake up and smell the misery coming, you utter fools!

Granny's not a fear monger. Granny grew up in an entirely different and much better, more civilized America than the one we have now.

 

[rdean]

There are still 25 to 30 million Americans not covered. If Republicans get a majority, they will repeal it as soon as possible.

"Let up pray God does "something" to "stop" one of those Democrats". (maybe send a lone gunman? maybe?)

Does anyone believe the secessionist Republicans have the welfare of the country in mind? They want the president to fail. They don't care about the middle class.

Hell, if they were so concerned, then why didn't they do anything about it when they had both houses and the presidency?

Sidebar, government can't do anything -

Continental imprisons 50 passengers overnight in grounded plane with no food, overflowing toilets - Boing Boing

Continental Airlines diverted a Twin-Cities-bound plane to Rochester due to a storm, and then locked the entire planeload of passengers in the plane overnight for nine hours. The TSA had gone home, so the passengers couldn't clear security if they got off and left the airport, and the ground crew wouldn't let them get off and stay in the airport. So 47 people -- including babies -- were locked into the plane with no food and overflowing toilets, held prisoner until the airline could get its act together.

Travel | Airlines must let passengers out of stranded planes after 3 hours | Seattle Times Newspaper

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration took aim Monday at tarmac horror stories, ordering airlines to let passengers stuck in stranded airplanes to disembark after three hours.

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Bush and the Republicans would have said, "Screw 'em". Government shouldn't be involved.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obviously this is a huge issue so why is there such a rush to pass this thing when I'm sure half of the Senators haven't even read it? I know Conservatives will say because they don't want people to know what's in the bill but Liberals and/or Democrats from your point of view what is the hurry on such a massive bill?

Senate starts early morn votes on health care Tues - Yahoo! News

C'mon now...you guys haven't figured this out yet???!!!

I've been saying this in my posts for nearly 4 months now...
If the Bill get's passed before the New Year the taxes start on JANUARY 1st 2010!!! If they don't get it done til after the New Year it means JULY 1st 2010.

THAT MEANS OBAMA HAS TO LET THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS GO INTO AN ELECTION WITH A BUDGET DEFICIT AND INCREASED NATIONAL DEBT.

If he get's it passed BEFORE the New Year he can apply all of the taxes he collects for healthcare to pay down the budget deficit....and forget about healthcare until it's necessary to BORROW 3 TRILLION DOLLARS FROM THE GODDAM CHINESE IN 2013!!!!!!!!

I think they can make the taxes retroactive.

But if they keep to the schedule they can have this passed and signed in time for Obama to brag about it during his first "REAL" state of the union address.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is hardly rushing. I thought we'd be done with healthcare by July and certainly by the August recess.

Rs have stalled the passage of this bill as long as they possibly can with no input whatsoever from their side. Enough already.

What an idiot!

What were they going to vote on? Don't they need a bill? Oh no, wait, Dems don't even need to see the bill to vote on it!

Sarah is correct, I'm sorry, you're not an idiot after all, I forgot Dems don't need to let anyone see the bill they're voting on.

Fuck off, Frank.

And Merry Christmas to ya...

Happy New Year, Sarah. May 2010 be your best ever, exceeding your wildest dreams!

Ahh, yeah, and a hearty "fuck you too!" LOL

 

[mudwhistle]

the dems are willing to lets thousands and thousands die for four years, they have the votes to save them but they won't.

Government health care regulation isn't going to save lives.

It will cost us money though.

 

[mudwhistle]

Granny, you're just a fear monger.

Granny understands history and the fact that it tends to repeat itself. Liberal numbnuts suffer from wealth envy too much to pay attention to history. They think there's going to be milk and honey flowing equally to all the worker bees when socialism is the norm. It will flow only to government workers and will be paid for by the dumb masses...forever.

What idiots the liberals have become...cheering on the very destruction of this nation.

Wake up and smell the misery coming, you utter fools!

We've smelled the misery before. 8 long years of it.

Granny and you understand wingnut talking points. Nothing more.

Strawman statements aren't gonna work this time.

 

[ba1614]

Obviously this is a huge issue so why is there such a rush to pass this thing when I'm sure half of the Senators haven't even read it? I know Conservatives will say because they don't want people to know what's in the bill but Liberals and/or Democrats from your point of view what is the hurry on such a massive bill?

Senate starts early morn votes on health care Tues - Yahoo! News

C'mon now...you guys haven't figured this out yet???!!!

I've been saying this in my posts for nearly 4 months now...
If the Bill get's passed before the New Year the taxes start on JANUARY 1st 2010!!! If they don't get it done til after the New Year it means JULY 1st 2010.

THAT MEANS OBAMA HAS TO LET THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS GO INTO AN ELECTION WITH A BUDGET DEFICIT AND INCREASED NATIONAL DEBT.

If he get's it passed BEFORE the New Year he can apply all of the taxes he collects for healthcare to pay down the budget deficit....and forget about healthcare until it's necessary to BORROW 3 TRILLION DOLLARS FROM THE GODDAM CHINESE IN 2013!!!!!!!!

I think they can make the taxes retroactive.

But if they keep to the schedule they can have this passed and signed in time for Obama to brag about it during his first "REAL" state of the union address.

"Unprecedented"

 

[Navy1960]

The President’s 2010 Budget seeks to usher in a new era of responsibility – an era in which we not only do what we must to save and create new jobs and lift our economy out of recession, but in which we also lay a new foundation for long-term growth and prosperity. To achieve these goals, the Nation must address some of the deep, systemic problems that have been ignored for too long by making critical investments in education, so that every child can compete in the global economy, health care so that we can control costs while boosting coverage and quality, and renewable sources of energy so that we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil and become the world leader in the new clean energy economy. At the same time, we also must restore fiscal discipline, making sure that we invest in what works and do not waste taxpayer dollars on programs that do not work or are duplicative.

Taken together, education, health care, clean energy, and fiscal discipline are the pillars upon which we can build a new foundation for our economy, a foundation that brings opportunity and prosperity to all Americans for decades to come and to every corner of our country.

The President's Budget

That is why the rush to pass it before the New Year, if it is not passed before the New Year then the Presidents 2010 Budget is impacted and tax collection in the bill that will be used to pay down the deficit as a 2010 campaign issue will not be in place.

 

[mudwhistle]

The President’s 2010 Budget seeks to usher in a new era of responsibility – an era in which we not only do what we must to save and create new jobs and lift our economy out of recession, but in which we also lay a new foundation for long-term growth and prosperity. To achieve these goals, the Nation must address some of the deep, systemic problems that have been ignored for too long by making critical investments in education, so that every child can compete in the global economy, health care so that we can control costs while boosting coverage and quality, and renewable sources of energy so that we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil and become the world leader in the new clean energy economy. At the same time, we also must restore fiscal discipline, making sure that we invest in what works and do not waste taxpayer dollars on programs that do not work or are duplicative.

Taken together, education, health care, clean energy, and fiscal discipline are the pillars upon which we can build a new foundation for our economy, a foundation that brings opportunity and prosperity to all Americans for decades to come and to every corner of our country.

The President's Budget

That is why the rush to pass it before the New Year, if it is not passed before the New Year then the Presidents 2010 Budget is impacted and tax collection in the bill that will be used to pay down the deficit as a 2010 campaign issue will not be in place.

Did you write that or did you cut & paste it from the communist manifesto?

 

[Navy1960]

The President’s 2010 Budget seeks to usher in a new era of responsibility – an era in which we not only do what we must to save and create new jobs and lift our economy out of recession, but in which we also lay a new foundation for long-term growth and prosperity. To achieve these goals, the Nation must address some of the deep, systemic problems that have been ignored for too long by making critical investments in education, so that every child can compete in the global economy, health care so that we can control costs while boosting coverage and quality, and renewable sources of energy so that we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil and become the world leader in the new clean energy economy. At the same time, we also must restore fiscal discipline, making sure that we invest in what works and do not waste taxpayer dollars on programs that do not work or are duplicative.

Taken together, education, health care, clean energy, and fiscal discipline are the pillars upon which we can build a new foundation for our economy, a foundation that brings opportunity and prosperity to all Americans for decades to come and to every corner of our country.

The President's Budget

That is why the rush to pass it before the New Year, if it is not passed before the New Year then the Presidents 2010 Budget is impacted and tax collection in the bill that will be used to pay down the deficit as a 2010 campaign issue will not be in place.

Did you write that or did you cut & paste it from the communist manifesto?

The question on the thread was.....
Why is there a rush to pass Healthcare reform before Christmas? Anyone?

The other part was my answer as to why the rush, if you choose to read between the lines and see that as some kind of endorsement then you would be VERY Mistaken.

Further if you follow the link you would have seen that the information comes from the Whitehouse web page as to what they intend to use healthcare for.

 

[amrchaos]

Obviously this is a huge issue so why is there such a rush to pass this thing when I'm sure half of the Senators haven't even read it? I know Conservatives will say because they don't want people to know what's in the bill but Liberals and/or Democrats from your point of view what is the hurry on such a massive bill?

Senate starts early morn votes on health care Tues - Yahoo! News

I think I can answer that question, although I do not consider yself a liberal or Democrat.

The idea is to push the legislation through in order to fulfill a desire by the left for UHC without jeorpadizing the legislation to input from insurance companies lobbyists and pressure created by Right wing propagandists.

At this present point, the Democrats have secured the 60 needed Senators to obtain most of the items desired--albeit the government option is gone and medicare is going to be gutted in order to place those individuals into the UHC programs.


In other words, the rush is necesary by the Democrats in order to craft the bill they think is best for the nation. If the bill is prolonged, changes to the original version are most likely to occur and most likely these changes will be detrimental to the original intent of the Bill.

One thing to keep in mind: It is possible to kill the bill by placing unreasonable/unrealistic demands on consumers and individuals that the bill was intended to help. This is a normal strategy to remove support from the Bill.

Note:The abortion restrictions that many pro-life democrats wanted was not a case of trying to kill the bill. The restrictions can be ammended after the bill is passed. This tactic was really an attempt to see how determined pro-choice Democrats were about abortion. Both sets of Democrats want the UHC bill regardless if there are restrictions to abortion or not.

The thing is, if the restrictions are placed in and the bill is passed, it pretty much settles the abortion debate: Abortions would only be accessible only to the priviledged individuals that can pay for it. It will not stop abortion, but it will limit the choices to poor unwed mothers and pregnant teens/pre-teens which are the main groups that seek abortions.

 

[mudwhistle]

The President’s 2010 Budget seeks to usher in a new era of responsibility – an era in which we not only do what we must to save and create new jobs and lift our economy out of recession, but in which we also lay a new foundation for long-term growth and prosperity. To achieve these goals, the Nation must address some of the deep, systemic problems that have been ignored for too long by making critical investments in education, so that every child can compete in the global economy, health care so that we can control costs while boosting coverage and quality, and renewable sources of energy so that we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil and become the world leader in the new clean energy economy. At the same time, we also must restore fiscal discipline, making sure that we invest in what works and do not waste taxpayer dollars on programs that do not work or are duplicative.

Taken together, education, health care, clean energy, and fiscal discipline are the pillars upon which we can build a new foundation for our economy, a foundation that brings opportunity and prosperity to all Americans for decades to come and to every corner of our country.

The President's Budget

That is why the rush to pass it before the New Year, if it is not passed before the New Year then the Presidents 2010 Budget is impacted and tax collection in the bill that will be used to pay down the deficit as a 2010 campaign issue will not be in place.

Did you write that or did you cut & paste it from the communist manifesto?

The question on the thread was.....
Why is there a rush to pass Healthcare reform before Christmas? Anyone?

The other part was my answer as to why the rush, if you choose to read between the lines and see that as some kind of endorsement then you would be VERY Mistaken.

Further if you follow the link you would have seen that the information comes from the Whitehouse web page as to what they intend to use healthcare for.

I thought so.

Problem is....it's all a pack of lies.

 

[Sarah G]

What an idiot!

What were they going to vote on? Don't they need a bill? Oh no, wait, Dems don't even need to see the bill to vote on it!

Sarah is correct, I'm sorry, you're not an idiot after all, I forgot Dems don't need to let anyone see the bill they're voting on.

Fuck off, Frank.

And Merry Christmas to ya...

Happy New Year, Sarah. May 2010 be your best ever, exceeding your wildest dreams!

Ahh, yeah, and a hearty "fuck you too!" LOL

Thanks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obviously this is a huge issue so why is there such a rush to pass this thing when I'm sure half of the Senators haven't even read it? I know Conservatives will say because they don't want people to know what's in the bill but Liberals and/or Democrats from your point of view what is the hurry on such a massive bill?

Senate starts early morn votes on health care Tues - Yahoo! News

The Republicans aren't going to vote for it if they read it 10 times over.

Better question is, why is there a need to delay when the Democrats have 60 votes? Like Rachel Maddow aptly analogized last night, the Republicans are like the visiting baseball team insisting they play the bottom the of the ninth, when the home team is ahead and the outcome can't change.

The Republicans, in short, to mix a few metaphors, are in full on bunker mentality.

 

[Mr Natural]

Why is there a rush to pass Healthcare reform before Christmas? Anyone?

To give the insurance and pharmaceutical companies their much deserved Christmas present.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obviously this is a huge issue so why is there such a rush to pass this thing when I'm sure half of the Senators haven't even read it? I know Conservatives will say because they don't want people to know what's in the bill but Liberals and/or Democrats from your point of view what is the hurry on such a massive bill?

Senate starts early morn votes on health care Tues - Yahoo! News

The Republicans aren't going to vote for it if they read it 10 times over.

Better question is, why is there a need to delay when the Democrats have 60 votes? Like Rachel Maddow aptly analogized last night, the Republicans are like the visiting baseball team insisting they play the bottom the of the ninth, when the home team is ahead and the outcome can't change.

The Republicans, in short, to mix a few metaphors, are in full on bunker mentality.

They're doing something...but I think I would look for another line of work because Washington is a snake-pit.

They'd better not tap any toes or send any emails or flash in public because it's gonna be in the news.

Jesus....it's a shame the way a pervert can't hide in Congress anymore.....unless he's a Democrat.

 

[KMAN]

This is hardly rushing. I thought we'd be done with healthcare by July and certainly by the August recess.

Rs have stalled the passage of this bill as long as they possibly can with no input whatsoever from their side. Enough already.

Dems did this pos behind closed doors; they didn't invite or want the R's there. They didn't want to hear anything the Rs had to offer (tort reform, opening covered up across state lines, etc). I thought Barry said 'bi-partisan'? Instead of making it a point to include the Rs he went along with Hairy and Nazi and ignored the Rs. Anyone who thinks this massive pos will do anything but increase costs and give uncle more control is nuts. $500B in 'savings from cutting waste and fraud in Medicare' to pay for it? If you believe that I have some lake front property in the Sahara you should buy.

They've been too nice to Rs on this. Rs have been using delay tactics at every turn. Look at them now, opposing sending money for Afghanistan, demanding a full reading of the bill Saturday, dragging this out until Christmas Eve...

With the passage of this bill, Democrats will be feeling very confident in 2010. They're learning to win ugly. Obama didn't get everything he wanted but he's getting a bill.

So Sarah, why do you not want your Senator to read the final bill before he/she votes on it?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Rs have stalled the passage of this bill as long as they possibly can with no input whatsoever from their side. Enough already.

Mindless regurgitation of a completely false assertion. And you well know it.

 

[KMAN]

The President’s 2010 Budget seeks to usher in a new era of responsibility – an era in which we not only do what we must to save and create new jobs and lift our economy out of recession, but in which we also lay a new foundation for long-term growth and prosperity. To achieve these goals, the Nation must address some of the deep, systemic problems that have been ignored for too long by making critical investments in education, so that every child can compete in the global economy, health care so that we can control costs while boosting coverage and quality, and renewable sources of energy so that we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil and become the world leader in the new clean energy economy. At the same time, we also must restore fiscal discipline, making sure that we invest in what works and do not waste taxpayer dollars on programs that do not work or are duplicative.

Taken together, education, health care, clean energy, and fiscal discipline are the pillars upon which we can build a new foundation for our economy, a foundation that brings opportunity and prosperity to all Americans for decades to come and to every corner of our country.

The President's Budget

That is why the rush to pass it before the New Year, if it is not passed before the New Year then the Presidents 2010 Budget is impacted and tax collection in the bill that will be used to pay down the deficit as a 2010 campaign issue will not be in place.

So are you OK with your Senator not knowing everything in the bill before voting on it?

 

[KMAN]

That's how partisan these people are... Instead of blaming so called Blue Dog Democrats for not supporting the bill they blame Republicans when the fact is the D's don't need one single R vote to pass it... What dumbasses....