Why is polygamy wrong?

[AllieBaba]

Oh, and I'm in a blue state, btw.

 

[midcan5]

Interesting, no really convincing arguments on why not. Religion, complex, moral, healthy for women, legal issues, but nothing to bite your teeth into. The fact it can be bad for everyone would rule out most human relations. I was watching National Geographic the other evening and they were covering the really unusual rites of passage into manhood. Talk about strange stuff. We humans are strange people.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jews will agree that the God is the same God, just that Jesus, was not the messiah.

Duh.

And I have friends who are muslim. We talk about this. IT's also clear as day in the Koran....SAME GOD.

Trust me. You're FOS.

Sure thing, Go to Saudia Arabia or Iraq and have that conversation, you moron.

 

[jillian]

Are you really that retarded? Tell a Muslim that Allah is really the Jewish God and see what happens.

Of course we know the three religions all use parts of the same religious material and in fact are viewing the same God in different ways, but I do not suggest you explain that to a Muslim.

Nor will faithful Jewish people accept that the God in the New Testament is their God as that would require they accept that Jesus was his son.

You are a dumb shit.

Actually, I think all of the Abrahamic religions realize that their G-d is the same. It's just that each religion has its own emissaries. Christianity and Islam each think that their religion is what G-d wanted Judaism to evolve into. Christianity believes Jesus is the messiah, Islam believes that Mohammed is the prophet.

Jews think both of those beliefs are silly.

j/k

 

[William Joyce]

I don't know... it's just weird. Women who've gone in and come out NEVER speak positively about it. The jealousy dynamic is too strong. Western peoples are designed for the two-parent nuclear family with several high-investment children. We evolved that way.

White Christians who practice polygamy are just getting bungled up by emulating middle eastern cultures they have no business emulating. Leave the nine wives crap to the ragheads.

And though I dig freedom, I say, it's not quite a private issue. It's hard to tell if women are happily volunteering for this, and the kids obviously didn't volunteer for anything. And these "families" often end up applying for welfare, which does make it our business.

 

[Charles_Main]

The kids man the kids.

 

[midcan5]

I don't know... it's just weird. Women who've gone in and come out NEVER speak positively about it. The jealousy dynamic is too strong. Western peoples are designed for the two-parent nuclear family with several high-investment children. We evolved that way.

White Christians who practice polygamy are just getting bungled up by emulating middle eastern cultures they have no business emulating. Leave the nine wives crap to the ragheads.

And though I dig freedom, I say, it's not quite a private issue. It's hard to tell if women are happily volunteering for this, and the kids obviously didn't volunteer for anything. And these "families" often end up applying for welfare, which does make it our business.

Hell has frozen over. I agree with WJ. It is interesting that we seem all to have rites of passage that mark the time when we become men and when we take a bride to raise our children. I know that sounds chauvinistic.

Edit: I agree minus the stereotype which William finds in all things.

 

[editec]

Hell has frozen over. I agree with WJ. It is interesting that we seem all to have rites of passage that mark the time when we become men and when we take a bride to raise our children. I know that sounds chauvinistic.

Ah Yes. how I fondly remember going out armed only with a stone flint-tipped spear to kill my first lion in order to be accepted as man within my tribe.

No...wait a minute...that wasn't me.. that was something I saw on TV.

My rite of passage was driving around at night with my friends drinking beer and trying (and very seldom succeeding) to get laid.

 

[midcan5]

Ah Yes. how I fondly remember going out armed only with a stone flint-tipped spear to kill my first lion in order to be accepted as man within my tribe.

No...wait a minute...that wasn't me.. that was something I saw on TV.

My rite of passage was driving around at night with my friends drinking beer and trying (and very seldom succeeding) to get laid.

That's an interesting thought and relevant to this thread, a strong appeal of these sects is the sense of both belonging and of structure, it offers a socialistic sort of comfort in a less socialistic world. I am using socialistic in the sense of taking care of each other and not the politcal sense. Modernity confuses and stresses people out, structure can reduce the complexity.

 

[ho hum]

My wife and I have been discussing this topic also.

She seems to think it is wrong for a number of reasons:

1. She feels it is demeaning to women.
2. She feels that any woman that is empowered would not accept the arrangement because it is not in most women's nature to desire to share her mate.
3. She feels that, as practiced by the FLDS group, it is predatory because "salvation" is dependent upon compliance with the practice.


I tend to agree with her.

 

[AllieBaba]

Lots of things are demeaning to women. That doesn't mean you take the power for them to indulge in those behaviors away from them.

We don't get to tell each other what life they can choose.

I think polygamy is wrong. I think swinging is wrong. I think homosexuality is wrong. I think all those things have negative effects on society, families and children.

Do I want to remove the right of people to live the lifestyle they (however misguidedly) choose? NO way. Because someday, some homosexual swinging polygamist might decide that it's demeaning to women to attend church, or wear long hair, or go to bars on the weekend.

Keep your nose out of others private lives unless it somehow violates the rights of others. Choosing to be demeaned is NOT violating anyone else's rights, and therefore, we don't have the right to deny them that choice.

 

[ho hum]

Lots of things are demeaning to women. That doesn't mean you take the power for them to indulge in those behaviors away from them.

We don't get to tell each other what life they can choose.

I think polygamy is wrong. I think swinging is wrong. I think homosexuality is wrong. I think all those things have negative effects on society, families and children.

Do I want to remove the right of people to live the lifestyle they (however misguidedly) choose? NO way. Because someday, some homosexual swinging polygamist might decide that it's demeaning to women to attend church, or wear long hair, or go to bars on the weekend.

Keep your nose out of others private lives unless it somehow violates the rights of others. Choosing to be demeaned is NOT violating anyone else's rights, and therefore, we don't have the right to deny them that choice.

To call something wrong does not automatically mean that I think it should be made illegal. That was done over a century ago by the US Supreme Court when the LDS church challenged it in it's battle to continue the practice.

What is hard to understand is that when you live in such a group and you are controlled by the dogma of others it is difficult to make the break. Often these choices are made for individuals prior to having the strength to act in their own behalf.

If you are naive and indoctrinated are you a victim?

The Amish allow their youth the Rum Springa to give them the opportunity to choose. Now, granted I know very little from the Amish other that what I have read and I am sure that they have their own forms of social pressure, I don't think the youth of the FLDS church receive such choices.

 

[AllieBaba]

We all indoctrinate our kids. THat's what having kids is all about. You have them, then you raise them with your own values.

It's not a crime, and it's nobody else's business. You don't agree with their religion, fine, but you have no business telling them how to raise their kids so long as they aren't breaking the law or hurting those kids.

 

[ho hum]

We all indoctrinate our kids. THat's what having kids is all about. You have them, then you raise them with your own values.

It's not a crime, and it's nobody else's business. You don't agree with their religion, fine, but you have no business telling them how to raise their kids so long as they aren't breaking the law or hurting those kids.

Is having a child marry and having sex prior to the legal age of consent hurting them?

 

[AllieBaba]

Is allowing a child to get pregnant and get an abortion without any investigation into the circumstances of that child's pregnancy and homelife okay?

 

[ho hum]

Is allowing a child to get pregnant and get an abortion without any investigation into the circumstances of that child's pregnancy and homelife okay?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[editec]

That's an interesting thought and relevant to this thread, a strong appeal of these sects is the sense of both belonging and of structure, it offers a socialistic sort of comfort in a less socialistic world. I am using socialistic in the sense of taking care of each other and not the politcal sense. Modernity confuses and stresses people out, structure can reduce the complexity.

And the less fuctional your society is, the more those gangs become important, too.

Sort of explains why kids in shitholes in America sort of all end up affliating with some gang or the other, doesn't it?

What choice do they really have?

 

[editec]

Is allowing a child to get pregnant and get an abortion without any investigation into the circumstances of that child's pregnancy and homelife okay?

Apparently it is if it's done under the guise of some religion...or didn't you actually think about the implications of this?

Originally Posted by AllieBaba
We all indoctrinate our kids. THat's what having kids is all about. You have them, then you raise them with your own values.

It's not a crime, and it's nobody else's business. You don't agree with their religion, fine, but you have no business telling them how to raise their kids so long as they aren't breaking the law or hurting those kids.

You see?

The much loved by Republicans Family values really is just an empty phrase totally devoid of meaning, until you fill it with meaning.

INCEST can be a family value.

CANNIBALISM can be a family value.

CHILD RAPE can be a family value.

You get my point.

 

[Eightball]

Actually, I never was a Christian. I just had a lot of respect for the Priest involved, and enjoyed the human aspects of what we did.

But let me get this straight...you are not a Christian, but you feel some need to be their champion, as if any real Christian would deny they have any fear of God?

Are you honestly going to tell me God of the Bible never threatened eternal damnation for those who can not follow his directions?

Or are you just one of those PC nitwits who feels a need to be everyone's champion, even when in this case, you are WAAAY off base?

Nah.

prolly just not very informed.

A lot of people have read the bible through and through and are not Christians.

Reading the bible does not make one wise........maybe intelligent to verses..........,but lacking the Spirit there in......one becomes a fool or stays ignorant of the real meaning/intention of the scriptures towards oneself and mankind overall.

The problem non-Christians who read scripture have, is their lack of sanctification or transformation that isn't present, cause sanctification doesn't come to anyone, because you earn bible reading browney points. The bible does indeed divulge knowledge of God, but it is Spiritually ascertained as to it's application for one's life and outlook, and not through secular intellect.

So why did Jesus say, "You must be born again or born from above."? Thats the marked difference between one who has knowledge of the bible and one who has that knowledge Spiritually set in their most inner core of their selves, via God's gifting as a result of an individual's excercise of faith in God's Son's work of propriation for all of mankind sin through His death, burial and ressurrection.

To call God an a**hole, is to be totally ignorant of the most important aspect of Christianity; the very real, and personal relationship with God that marks one as a "Christ one", through spiritual regeneration, not by merit or good works but by grace or unmerited favor.

Many were enlightened, but never crossed the metaphorical Jordan River and entered the land of Canaan, but selfishly, fearfully and stubbornly chose to stay in the wilderness, and perish there, not trusting in God's provisions of safety.

I observe so many folks on this and other forums that are so intellectually proud; filled with head knowledge, and fanciful ability to type out long-winded sentences with big words...........Debating, and running up post counts like hot air, or vanity. Yet, all along when confronted with the actual gospel of Jesus Christ, they react like deer in headlights.........flight or fight.........when they fight, they condemn God for every misgiving that has happened in their lives or in the world,..........They don't "own" or take "responsibility" for their actions..........., but instead demand "rights", and "liberty" for good old number one ( themselves)..........

This country and world is filled with whiners..........cause whining is a choice............I can whine about my 35 year old son who just had a stroke and is about to lose his second transplanted kidney...........I could whine about droughts, wars, rumors of wars............GWB, Obama......etc... I choose to live my life to the best of my ability with an attitude that will be infectious to my sons, and my grandsons in the most positive way I can accomplish. An infectious attitude that covertly, and overtly passes on to them that all glasses of liquid are half full or full, and never half empty or empty.......and hopeless.

Some of you have such a trigger-fingered pessimistic attitude about life, politicians........etc... that exudes nothing but personal pride, and hyporcrisy. If someone disagrees with you, you resort to mean spirited, and disrespectful replies, that demean your fellow man, and don't do anything to uplift or encourage those that may differ with you.

We are a nation that does indeed whine more, and I really lay a lot of blame on our politicians and media for propagating this insidious disease. Whining doesn't get anything done or things answered.........It just wallows, and exudes anger, distrust, conspiracy theories, and sets terrible examples for our future generations. I feel so sorry for the sibblings or progeny of these pessimists. They are indicted and condemned to follow in the footsteps of their elders and repeat the same sad mistakes of life. They will become "victims" and always look for "scapegoats" to assuage their angers and frustration.

I liked what I heard on Dr. Phil a couple nights ago. He was dealing with sibbling fighting/feuding........These were adult sibblings that fueded for years over absolutely stupid reasons........hurt feelings.......etc.. It was an endless cycle of recrimmination upon recrimmination; no one wanted to back off and not retort to a hurtful or mean spirited reply. It was like a dog chasing it's tail.

Dr. Phil said that the only answer to this problem, is that a "hero" must arise from these perpetual ashes of sadness and anger. Someone must be the hero, who's willing to offer out an olive branch of peace or reconciliation, and possibly break this vicious cycle. This hero must be willing to take abuse, and not return it, but stand on a higher personally identity than the one that has accepted false accusations, and hurtful rebukes and withered much from the verbal attacks.

In some ways, the bickering that goes on in these forums reminds me of family fueds........They are based on vanity or hot air.......They lack substance, but are driven by hurt, anger, jealousy, and a lot of ignorance..........and especially a lack of respect and love for one another.

Believe me.........I'm not Moses talking from a high mountain. My life is filled with mistakes, and wrongful deeds.......I am not judging anyone, but making comment based observation. This is more a plea than anything else. There are fundamental differences of philosophies within any forum that discusses politics/religion/current affairs. It is inevitable, but the discourse can be different. We can respectfully disagree, and not allow those that like to "bait" us into verbal confrontation, get their "highs", by dragging us down to their levels.

For those who are not too young........; you may have read a cartoon that was popular years ago in the newspapers, called "Pogo". One of the critters that lived in the swamp where Pogo lived, said this profound statement, "I have met the enemy, and he is us!". I may have gotten the exact wording off a little, but it still means the same. We can be our worst enemy to life in general. We can harbor distrust our whole lives or we can be willing to take a chance and live life to it's fullest and be vunerable, and adventursome. Being vunerable is scarey, but it opens up a whole new vista of friendships, and also potential enemies or those that would hurt us.

Some here need to crack out of their little defensive bubble and be willing to laugh at themselves, apologize to others, think about repercussions and affects of what they type in a post, that may hurt others, and especially think about what it's like to walk in the shoes of another.

 

[midcan5]

In some ways, the bickering that goes on in these forums reminds me of family fueds........They are based on vanity or hot air.......They lack substance, but are driven by hurt, anger, jealousy, and a lot of ignorance..........and especially a lack of respect and love for one another.

Interesting post. So what do you think of polygamy based on your thoughts?

"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo

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