Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[dblack]

A company only cares about maximizing shareholder profits. The gov makes sure the company also serves the public's interest. Fair pay (minimum wage) taxes labor laws etc

Libertarians believe government should protect our freedom to pursue our own interests, and not force anyone to "serve" anyone else.

 

[forkup]

The free market is just economic freedom. If we consider capitalism to include all the state sponsored legal constructs that prop up modern corporations, I think critics have valid complaints.

So the second part says you don't know what capitalism is, because what you said is socialism, the opposite of capitalism. I thought you were supposed to be a libertarian, and you think capitalism is government picking market winners? Seriously?

Yep. Capitalism is a word that means different things to different people. Current corporate law in the US creates legal perks and privileges that are antithetical to equal protection and real free markets. There are legitimate problems with it from a libertarian perspective.

Capitalism means one thing. Free markets where consumers, suppliers, employees, employers, all the market players have free choices to work out their best deal. The only role of government is as a referee, not a kindergarten teacher. There is no other definition of capitalism

Define referee. You just flat out said regulation is socialism. How do you referee if there are no rules???

"regulation" is an ambiguous word. To a socialist, it justifies government doing anything it wants and controlling markets. Like when Slick started forcing banks to make subprime loans.

"Referee" means government provides civil and criminal courts for fraud and civil wrongs. It does not tell companies how they can operate, what they have to pay their employees, ...

Slick didn't MAKE banks do anything. Slick DEregulated giving the banks a legal way to doctor the books. Giving them permission to give loans to people who couldn't afford it. OVERregulation didn't cause it, DEregulating did, the exact thing you are advocating.

 

[dblack]

I think prisons should be government run and not corporations. I know you guys have pushed to have corporations run our prisons (Aramark) but watch all the problems that come with private companies running our prisons.

Couldn't agree more. We're privatizing the things government should be doing (the criminal justice system) and socializing what it should stay the hell out of.

 

[dblack]

Slick didn't MAKE banks do anything. Slick DEregulated giving the banks a legal way to doctor the books. Giving them permission to give loans to people who couldn't afford it. OVERregulation didn't cause it, DEregulating did, the exact thing you are advocating.

I agree, actually. Most of what Republicans frame as "DEregulation" is actually just "REregulation" - changing the rules to favor their sponsors. Maybe we should call what libertarians advocate "UNregulation", dismantling regulatory regimes entirely (if gradually), rather than tweaking them to suit vested interests.

 

[JoeNormal]

Most libertarians have no kids so they can't relate.

Um ... OK?

If you want me to explain in depth, tell me which part is tripping you up.

The post I responded to. Sorry that confused you, I always forget what an imbecile you are

It was straightforward enough - unless your mind couldn't also process the preceding post from Arizona Willie.

Libertarians are man enough to take care of our own kids. We don't run to the government and tell them our kids are their problem like you dependency whores do. Grow up and grow a pair

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

 

[kaz]

Um ... OK?

If you want me to explain in depth, tell me which part is tripping you up.

The post I responded to. Sorry that confused you, I always forget what an imbecile you are

It was straightforward enough - unless your mind couldn't also process the preceding post from Arizona Willie.

Libertarians are man enough to take care of our own kids. We don't run to the government and tell them our kids are their problem like you dependency whores do. Grow up and grow a pair

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

 

[JoeNormal]

If you want me to explain in depth, tell me which part is tripping you up.

The post I responded to. Sorry that confused you, I always forget what an imbecile you are

It was straightforward enough - unless your mind couldn't also process the preceding post from Arizona Willie.

Libertarians are man enough to take care of our own kids. We don't run to the government and tell them our kids are their problem like you dependency whores do. Grow up and grow a pair

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

 

[kaz]

The post I responded to. Sorry that confused you, I always forget what an imbecile you are

It was straightforward enough - unless your mind couldn't also process the preceding post from Arizona Willie.

Libertarians are man enough to take care of our own kids. We don't run to the government and tell them our kids are their problem like you dependency whores do. Grow up and grow a pair

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

 

[JoeNormal]

It was straightforward enough - unless your mind couldn't also process the preceding post from Arizona Willie.

Libertarians are man enough to take care of our own kids. We don't run to the government and tell them our kids are their problem like you dependency whores do. Grow up and grow a pair

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

You need to get a new shtick.

 

[kaz]

Libertarians are man enough to take care of our own kids. We don't run to the government and tell them our kids are their problem like you dependency whores do. Grow up and grow a pair

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

You need to get a new shtick.

You don't think libertarians have kids and " I need a new schtick?



What a dumb ass. Take your hand out of your pants, lefty, or get a room with yourself

 

[JoeNormal]

You actually have kids? You're the rare Libertarian exception then.

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

You need to get a new shtick.

You don't think libertarians have kids and " I need a new schtick?



What a dumb ass. Take your hand out of your pants, lefty, or get a room with yourself

I know a bunch of libertarians (and fortunately, not all are pompous asses like you). None of them have kids. I did a survey on this site and the only one who claimed to have kids misread the question and it turned out he was a liberal.

Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much. Probably a good thing because in most cases, they'd make shitty parents anyway.

 

[kaz]

[Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much.

What does that mean? You really are an idiot. And you calling me "pompous" is priceless. How do you get your head through doorways?

 

[JoeNormal]

[Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much.

What does that mean? You really are an idiot. And you calling me "pompous" is priceless. How do you get your head through doorways?

With your constant stream of 'WTF's, I used to think you were feigning ignorance. I'm not so sure anymore.

 

[kaz]

[Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much.

What does that mean? You really are an idiot. And you calling me "pompous" is priceless. How do you get your head through doorways?

With your constant stream of 'WTF's, I used to think you were feigning ignorance. I'm not so sure anymore.

I'm not feighing ignorance, I'm looking you right in the eye

 

[boedicca]

Why the OP could not be a member of the GOP or a Libertarian: He is TOO STOOOPID.

The End.

 

[dblack]

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

You need to get a new shtick.

You don't think libertarians have kids and " I need a new schtick?



What a dumb ass. Take your hand out of your pants, lefty, or get a room with yourself

I know a bunch of libertarians (and fortunately, not all are pompous asses like you). None of them have kids. I did a survey on this site and the only one who claimed to have kids misread the question and it turned out he was a liberal.

Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much. Probably a good thing because in most cases, they'd make shitty parents anyway.

That's all you got?

You forgot that "libertarians have zits and live in their mom's basement".

"They make me look like an idiot in logical debate and it hurts my feelings" might be more to the point.

 

[kaz]

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

You need to get a new shtick.

You don't think libertarians have kids and " I need a new schtick?



What a dumb ass. Take your hand out of your pants, lefty, or get a room with yourself

I know a bunch of libertarians (and fortunately, not all are pompous asses like you). None of them have kids. I did a survey on this site and the only one who claimed to have kids misread the question and it turned out he was a liberal.

Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much. Probably a good thing because in most cases, they'd make shitty parents anyway.

That's all you got?

You forgot that "libertarians have zits and live in their mom's basement".

"They make me look like an idiot in logical debate and it hurts my feelings" might be more to the point.

It's no wonder people keep looking at him like when he takes a poll of three people in his kitchen, two truned out to be libertarian one one a liberal. Then he starts telling libertarians we dont' have kids as if we know what the fuck he's talking about.

At least he admitted he doesn't get why anyone would want kids if they have to pay for the kids themselves. He is a proud dependency whore

 

[Centinel]

Most libertarians have no kids so they can't relate.

What does having kids have to do with opposing the initiation of violence against peaceful people? I have kids, and I vehemently oppose the initiation of violence against peaceful people.

 

[JoeNormal]

Most libertarians have no kids so they can't relate.

What does having kids have to do with opposing the initiation of violence against peaceful people? I have kids, and I vehemently oppose the initiation of violence against peaceful people.

Opposing the initiation of violence against peaceful people is not what bothers me about libertarians. It's the contention that they shouldn't have to support society with their hard earned money.

 

[JoeNormal]

Was that funny because of the absurdity of libertarians actually having kids? Or... maybe it's because in theory, if you did have kids, you'd never possibly be in a position to need assistance?

I've never been in a position where I've needed assistance but it's not hard to imagine a situation where it could happen. Especially with corporate scumbags outsourcing every job they possibly can.

You and yourself need to get a room

You need to get a new shtick.

You don't think libertarians have kids and " I need a new schtick?



What a dumb ass. Take your hand out of your pants, lefty, or get a room with yourself

I know a bunch of libertarians (and fortunately, not all are pompous asses like you). None of them have kids. I did a survey on this site and the only one who claimed to have kids misread the question and it turned out he was a liberal.

Having kids requires a serious commitment that flies in the face of the naive conception of personal freedom that libertarians love so much. Probably a good thing because in most cases, they'd make shitty parents anyway.

That's all you got?

You forgot that "libertarians have zits and live in their mom's basement".

"They make me look like an idiot in logical debate and it hurts my feelings" might be more to the point.

I'm sorry if the truth offends but you've zoomed in on a tangent of our conversation. Here's a recap of what bothers me about libertarianism:

All of its proponents were brought up in a society where education, defense, infrastructure, R&D, etc were provided by that society. Now that they don't (at the moment) need it, they feel they shouldn't be burdened with having to pay some small fraction of the money they earn back to the society. Never mind that they wouldn't have earned that money at all outside of the construct of a society. It's an ideology of logical inconsistency and hypocracy.