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Well, he's ACCOMPLISHED nothing, but it looks as if F & F was nothing more than an op to sway public opinion about more gun control legislation. Isn't that what CBS has found out? I think the link has been posted, I don't know, maybe 15 times by now?
Well pardon me if I think killing Osama Bin Laden, saving the Auto Industry, passing the ACA, saving a boat load of jobs, reversing the downward trend in employment and making sure the financial industry didn't go bust are accomplishments.
Just as you guys think 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, and the Financial Meltdown were accomplishments.
Mission accomplished!
Jeez Sallow, you gonna paint me with that brush AGAIN? I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself before you get it through your canine cranium, I DIDN'T SUPPORT SHRUB THEN AND I NEVER VOTED FOR HIM!
Think you can remember that?
And while you're at it, try to remember that it was Seal Team 6 that killed Osama, GM still owes the taxpayers about $30B, the ACA is an un-Constitutional overreach, those 'saved jobs' are a figment of your imagination, the UE rate only went down because the labor participation rate is the lowest it's EVER been and giving billions to the bankers who CAUSED the mess is not really an accomplishment.
This is the deal.
He's done nothing.
So you are engaging in a fantasy.
Well, he's ACCOMPLISHED nothing, but it looks as if F & F was nothing more than an op to sway public opinion about more gun control legislation. Isn't that what CBS has found out? I think the link has been posted, I don't know, maybe 15 times by now?
Well pardon me if I think killing Osama Bin Laden, saving the Auto Industry, passing the ACA, saving a boat load of jobs, reversing the downward trend in employment and making sure the financial industry didn't go bust are accomplishments.
Just as you guys think 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, and the Financial Meltdown were accomplishments.
Mission accomplished!
Oh sure! Let's forget that FACT that YOU are totally full of shit and lies.The Republican Party has become the party of "Ah Ha". They think they have a new scheme. A new way to attack the president. To avoid responsibility. The problem with this current debacle is they struck "too soon".
If this had happened, say two weeks before the election, it might have had a chance to actually cause damage to the first African American Attorney General and the first African American President, but with this much time, people will learn the truth. And truth has proven to be the deadly enemy to this current Republican Party.
So forget the fact that Bush used Executive Privilege 6 times while Obama has used it this once. And what did Bush use it for? Things like protecting whoever outed a covert CIA agent, something people other than Republicans think of as "treason".
Forget the fact this program was "officially started" in 2006.
Forget the fact the agent killed wasn't killed with one of these guns.
Forget the fact Holder ordered this program stopped when he found out about it.
Just this simple one thing, when pointed out to thinking Americans, will prove this to be the scheme it is.
When an operation, such as this is put into effect, it takes years of planning. It's no accident is was started in 2006. You know something like this was going on for years. Because it takes years to train people. To make contacts. To put the operation in place. To acquire materials and knowledge. To gather intel. This entire operation began in an area of the country hostile to Obama with people who are Republicans to the core.
Holder didn't enter office with this huge operation already planned out and put in place on day one. It's ludicrous.
Look at the operation that took out Bin Laden after Republicans let him go and stopped looking for him. And it was a very small operation involving a limited number of people. And how long did they plan before the operation went into effect? How much training was involved? How much intel was acquired?
When the size and scope of "Operation Fast and Furious" is revealed and when it started and when Eric Holder took office, it will become apparent this is another attack on Obama by way of Holder. Now for these right wingers, it doesn't matter. They just don't care about truth. I believe my all time favorite post here was when some right winger said Iraq was Obama's fault. That we never should have invaded. This is the same kind of thing.
No.1
It did not start in 2006. That was a different program under Bush. (Wide Receiver) That operation had these distinct differences from what Obubba and his anti-gun thugs attempted.
A
The guns walked under Bush were marked and tracked with tracking devices.
B
The Mexican government had knowledge of and approved of what was happening.
C
The people who walked the guns under Bush were tracked.
HOWEVER, in Fast and Furious...NONE OF THE ABOVE EXISTED. The whole scheme was to permit the illegally sold guns into Mexico, have them "discovered" at drug cartel crime scenes and traced back to the illegal (but condoned) sale , then presented as part of the bogus argument that WE NEED MORE GUN CONTROL.
Obubba's problem is that two of the guns were discovered at a crime scene some 18 miles inside US borders wherein an ATF agent was killed with one of them. Some 10 days later an ATF AGENT BLEW THE WHISTLE ON THE WHOLE CREW OF CRIMINAL ASSHOLES that instigated the project and killed a friend of his.
The motives for the two operations (Bush's and Obubba's) were different. Bush was trying to locate and capture drug lords and drug cartel operations. Obubba was trying to gain sympathy for more gun control laws in America.
Bush let the Mexican government in on the deal. Obubba did not.
Bush tracked the guns. Obubba did not.
Obubba and his right hand asshole Eric Holder have FUCKED UP!
...and YOU are a goddamned liar!
Deflect much there S?
What... You think it's easy to lickwash the ballsack of Obama and Holder these days?
LOL
Well SniperFag. Let us know.
Was it easy to lickwash the ballsack of Obama and Holder?
And did you get paid?
This is the deal.
He's done nothing.
So you are engaging in a fantasy.
Well, he's ACCOMPLISHED nothing, but it looks as if F & F was nothing more than an op to sway public opinion about more gun control legislation. Isn't that what CBS has found out? I think the link has been posted, I don't know, maybe 15 times by now?
Well pardon me if I think killing Osama Bin Laden, saving the Auto Industry, passing the ACA, saving a boat load of jobs, reversing the downward trend in employment and making sure the financial industry didn't go bust are accomplishments.
Just as you guys think 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, and the Financial Meltdown were accomplishments.
Mission accomplished!
Oh sure! Let's forget that FACT that YOU are totally full of shit and lies.The Republican Party has become the party of "Ah Ha". They think they have a new scheme. A new way to attack the president. To avoid responsibility. The problem with this current debacle is they struck "too soon".
If this had happened, say two weeks before the election, it might have had a chance to actually cause damage to the first African American Attorney General and the first African American President, but with this much time, people will learn the truth. And truth has proven to be the deadly enemy to this current Republican Party.
So forget the fact that Bush used Executive Privilege 6 times while Obama has used it this once. And what did Bush use it for? Things like protecting whoever outed a covert CIA agent, something people other than Republicans think of as "treason".
Forget the fact this program was "officially started" in 2006.
Forget the fact the agent killed wasn't killed with one of these guns.
Forget the fact Holder ordered this program stopped when he found out about it.
Just this simple one thing, when pointed out to thinking Americans, will prove this to be the scheme it is.
When an operation, such as this is put into effect, it takes years of planning. It's no accident is was started in 2006. You know something like this was going on for years. Because it takes years to train people. To make contacts. To put the operation in place. To acquire materials and knowledge. To gather intel. This entire operation began in an area of the country hostile to Obama with people who are Republicans to the core.
Holder didn't enter office with this huge operation already planned out and put in place on day one. It's ludicrous.
Look at the operation that took out Bin Laden after Republicans let him go and stopped looking for him. And it was a very small operation involving a limited number of people. And how long did they plan before the operation went into effect? How much training was involved? How much intel was acquired?
When the size and scope of "Operation Fast and Furious" is revealed and when it started and when Eric Holder took office, it will become apparent this is another attack on Obama by way of Holder. Now for these right wingers, it doesn't matter. They just don't care about truth. I believe my all time favorite post here was when some right winger said Iraq was Obama's fault. That we never should have invaded. This is the same kind of thing.
No.1
It did not start in 2006. That was a different program under Bush. (Wide Receiver) That operation had these distinct differences from what Obubba and his anti-gun thugs attempted.
A
The guns walked under Bush were marked and tracked with tracking devices.
B
The Mexican government had knowledge of and approved of what was happening.
C
The people who walked the guns under Bush were tracked.
HOWEVER, in Fast and Furious...NONE OF THE ABOVE EXISTED. The whole scheme was to permit the illegally sold guns into Mexico, have them "discovered" at drug cartel crime scenes and traced back to the illegal (but condoned) sale , then presented as part of the bogus argument that WE NEED MORE GUN CONTROL.
Obubba's problem is that two of the guns were discovered at a crime scene some 18 miles inside US borders wherein an ATF agent was killed with one of them. Some 10 days later an ATF AGENT BLEW THE WHISTLE ON THE WHOLE CREW OF CRIMINAL ASSHOLES that instigated the project and killed a friend of his.
The motives for the two operations (Bush's and Obubba's) were different. Bush was trying to locate and capture drug lords and drug cartel operations. Obubba was trying to gain sympathy for more gun control laws in America.
Bush let the Mexican government in on the deal. Obubba did not.
Bush tracked the guns. Obubba did not.
Obubba and his right hand asshole Eric Holder have FUCKED UP!
...and YOU are a goddamned liar!
I listen to him because it's important to know which way his corporate overlords want the unwashed to think. That and he was quoted on NPR this morning spinning Fast and Furious last September as an Obama plot to subvert the 2nd amendment.Do you read what other people write? Of course Obama has done nothing. His desires are unpopular and he is a terrible leader. Again...why put up links when you will dispute them as RW sources that cannot be believed? The truth is a matter of record and his use of executive privilige has me more convinced than ever that people at high levels in the Obama administration (and probably Obama) authorized F&F to sway public opinion towards gun control.
Limbaugh spin
how do you know? you listen to him I take it.
I listen to him because it's important to know which way his corporate overlords want the unwashed to think. That and he was quoted on NPR this morning spinning Fast and Furious last September as an Obama plot to subvert the 2nd amendment.Limbaugh spin
how do you know? you listen to him I take it.
Guess the left has no problem with a dead Border Patrol Agent and who cares about all those dead Mexicans. Hell. The're Mexicans after all.
If a Rep AG and DOJ had done this the left would be screaming bloody murder. Hell. They's be hanging bush in effigy.
Holder and his DOJ are responsible but they are Dems so what the hey. And they are black.
One would think that any honest person would like to know that someone is held responsible for the death of a Border Patrol Agent.
Guess it ain't that important to the left.
Black = special treatment, they are above the law. You know reparations and all.
Ah, the Race Card Card. Never gets old.
Fast and Furious had the same amitions and goals as Operation Wide Receiver. And as there was no fuss and feathers raised about Wide Receiver, we can assume that this bother is 9% oversite and 91% politics.I listen to him because it's important to know which way his corporate overlords want the unwashed to think. That and he was quoted on NPR this morning spinning Fast and Furious last September as an Obama plot to subvert the 2nd amendment.how do you know? you listen to him I take it.
so what was the reason for Fast and Furious?
Maybe you can tell all those "unwashed" about it
I listen to him because it's important to know which way his corporate overlords want the unwashed to think. That and he was quoted on NPR this morning spinning Fast and Furious last September as an Obama plot to subvert the 2nd amendment.Limbaugh spin
how do you know? you listen to him I take it.
...An Elusive Number
Given the lack of hard data from Mexico, we can't calculate a precise figure for what portion of crime guns have been traced to the U.S. Based on the best evidence we can find so far, we conclude that the 90 percent claim made by the president and others in his administration lacks a basis in solid fact. But we also conclude that the number is at least double what Fox News has reported, based on its reporters' mistaken interpretation of ATF testimony.
Whether the number is 90 percent, or 36 percent, or something else, there's no dispute that thousands of guns are being illegalIy transported into Mexico by way of the United States each year.
Skipping the article and going for the 'timeline' that existed over a year go:
2009 Operation Fast and Furious is launched under the supervision of the ATF's Group VII, based out of Phoenix.
March 12, 2010 Group VII Supervisor David Roth sends an email to the group acknowledging a schism in the attitudes of the agents. ATF agents in the group would later testify they were conflicted over the tactics being used. Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case, wrote Roth.
July 2010 Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC), wrote three memos to Holder in which he mentions Operation Fast and Furious. In one memo, Walther advises Holder that NDIC and a Phoenix drug enforcement task force would assist the ATF with an investigation of a suspected gun trafficker, Manuel Celis-Acosta, being run under Operation Fast and Furious.
This investigation, initiated in September 2009 in conjunction with the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Phoenix police department, involves a Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring Manuel Celis-Acosta, the memo states. Celis-Acosta and [redacted] straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels.
Nov. 2010 Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer sent a weekly memo to Holder notifying him of a sealed indictment against alleged gun traffickers in Arizona by the DOJs organized crime and gang section. Breuer wrote that the indictment would remain sealed until another investigation, Phoenix-based Operation Fast and Furious, is ready for takedown.
Nov. Dec. 2010 Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is contacted by whistleblowers within ATF about the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.
Dec. 15, 2010 Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry is killed in a firefight in Arizona. Two of the guns found at the scene were sold to suspected straw buyers under the operation.
Jan. 2011 Grassley meets with Holder and DOJ officials to discuss the whistleblower allegations.
Feb. 2011 DOJ sends a letter to Grassley denying that the ATF would knowingly sell assault weapons to straw purchasers and that the agency makes every effort to prevent weapons from going to Mexico.
March 2011 Holder asks the DOJs Inspector General to investigate Operation Fast and Furious.
March 8, 2011 Eleven people are federally indicted for alleged weapons trafficking crimes in connection with Fast and Furious.
March 16, 2011 Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) sends his first letter to ATFs acting-director Kenneth Melson requesting documents pertaining to the origin of Fast and Furious and who authorized it.
March 31, 2011 Issa issues first subpoena on Fast and Furious to DOJ for documents he requested in March.
May 3, 2011 Holder testifies before the House Judiciary Committee saying, Im not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.
June 15, 2011 Issa holds his first hearing on Fast and Furious where former and current ATF agents testified about the controversial tactics employed under the operation and their efforts to stop them. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, who operates as a legislative liaison to Congress, also testifies that the DOJ was doing everything in its power to assist Issa with his investigation. Republicans have said the DOJ is stonewalling their efforts to get information about the operation.
June 29, 2011 Obama says he will not comment on Fast and Furious further until the IG investigation is complete. My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico, said Obama. I'm not going to comment on a current investigation. I've made very clear my views that that would not be an appropriate step by the ATF, and we've got to find out how that happened.
July 4, 2011 Melson testifies in a closed setting before Issa and Grassleys investigators. Melson acknowledges that Fast and Furious was under the jurisdiction of the Arizona U.S. Attorneys office.
August 30, 2011 Holder transfers Melson out of his position as acting director and Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke resigns.
And you folks would have gladly consigned any number of Iraqis to death at the hands of the Saddam regime as long as Bush was thwarted.Guess the left has no problem with a dead Border Patrol Agent and who cares about all those dead Mexicans. Hell. The're Mexicans after all.
If a Rep AG and DOJ had done this the left would be screaming bloody murder. Hell. They's be hanging bush in effigy.
Holder and his DOJ are responsible but they are Dems so what the hey.
One would think that any honest person would like to know that someone is held responsible for the death of a Border Patrol Agent.
Guess it ain't that important to the left.
Some 4000 Americans and over 100K Iraqis died in the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Not one of you folks gave 2 shits about that.
Except to hate on Arabs.
Fast and Furious had the same amitions and goals as Operation Wide Receiver. And as there was no fuss and feathers raised about Wide Receiver, we can assume that this bother is 9% oversite and 91% politics.I listen to him because it's important to know which way his corporate overlords want the unwashed to think. That and he was quoted on NPR this morning spinning Fast and Furious last September as an Obama plot to subvert the 2nd amendment.
so what was the reason for Fast and Furious?
Maybe you can tell all those "unwashed" about it
The Republican Party has become the party of "Ah Ha". They think they have a new scheme. A new way to attack the president. To avoid responsibility. The problem with this current debacle is they struck "too soon".
If this had happened, say two weeks before the election, it might have had a chance to actually cause damage to the first African American Attorney General and the first African American President, but with this much time, people will learn the truth. And truth has proven to be the deadly enemy to this current Republican Party.
So forget the fact that Bush used Executive Privilege 6 times while Obama has used it this once. And what did Bush use it for? Things like protecting whoever outed a covert CIA agent, something people other than Republicans think of as "treason".
Forget the fact this program was "officially started" in 2006.
Forget the fact the agent killed wasn't killed with one of these guns.
Forget the fact Holder ordered this program stopped when he found out about it.
Just this simple one thing, when pointed out to thinking Americans, will prove this to be the scheme it is.
When an operation, such as this is put into effect, it takes years of planning. It's no accident is was started in 2006. You know something like this was going on for years. Because it takes years to train people. To make contacts. To put the operation in place. To acquire materials and knowledge. To gather intel. This entire operation began in an area of the country hostile to Obama with people who are Republicans to the core.
Holder didn't enter office with this huge operation already planned out and put in place on day one. It's ludicrous.
Look at the operation that took out Bin Laden after Republicans let him go and stopped looking for him. And it was a very small operation involving a limited number of people. And how long did they plan before the operation went into effect? How much training was involved? How much intel was acquired?
When the size and scope of "Operation Fast and Furious" is revealed and when it started and when Eric Holder took office, it will become apparent this is another attack on Obama by way of Holder. Now for these right wingers, it doesn't matter. They just don't care about truth. I believe my all time favorite post here was when some right winger said Iraq was Obama's fault. That we never should have invaded. This is the same kind of thing.
Well, he's ACCOMPLISHED nothing, but it looks as if F & F was nothing more than an op to sway public opinion about more gun control legislation. Isn't that what CBS has found out? I think the link has been posted, I don't know, maybe 15 times by now?
Well pardon me if I think killing Osama Bin Laden, saving the Auto Industry, passing the ACA, saving a boat load of jobs, reversing the downward trend in employment and making sure the financial industry didn't go bust are accomplishments.
Just as you guys think 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, and the Financial Meltdown were accomplishments.
Mission accomplished!
The majority of Americans thought killing Osama was great. His approval rating went up by a large margin.
He did not save the auto industry. They went bankrupt, after all that taxpayer money was pumped into it. The majority of Americans said they need to go bankrupt and tax dollars did not need to be given to them.
Katrina and the Financial Meltdown were Dem's fault.
And you folks would have gladly consigned any number of Iraqis to death at the hands of the Saddam regime as long as Bush was thwarted.Guess the left has no problem with a dead Border Patrol Agent and who cares about all those dead Mexicans. Hell. The're Mexicans after all.
If a Rep AG and DOJ had done this the left would be screaming bloody murder. Hell. They's be hanging bush in effigy.
Holder and his DOJ are responsible but they are Dems so what the hey.
One would think that any honest person would like to know that someone is held responsible for the death of a Border Patrol Agent.
Guess it ain't that important to the left.
Some 4000 Americans and over 100K Iraqis died in the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Not one of you folks gave 2 shits about that.
Except to hate on Arabs.
It's funny when you pretend to hold the moral high ground.
