Why does healthcare cost so much?

[dblack]

The good news is coming soon and is already being started:
Most insurance companies, especially the companies that insure government employees, are requiring "wellness" examinations of all the insured.
They are determing who is fat, who is a smoker and who is in bad shape health wise because they are lazy.
And they are being rated accordingly. Healthy employees that keep themselves in shape are being rewarded with a bonus of say $40-$100 a month for staying healthy.
Companies that hire fat, lazy, smokers and folks that do not practice the wellness program are penalized in their increased premiums.
THANK GOD SOME SENSE FINALLY.
This is the new wave coming and it is much needed. Now we have to transfer this to Medicare and Medicaid and weed out the dope heads, the smokers and the lazy and watch our premiums plummet.
You smoke and do not exercise and have no other disease that was not your fault? Sorry. We are no longer going to pay your high insurance premiums, we are going to fire you and you can fend for yourself.3
About time.

Wow....

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The most significant way to make health care affordable is to make it competitive. Imagine how much you car would cost if liberals made competition illegal in the auto industry.

 

[Stephane]

The most significant way to make health care affordable is to make it competitive. Imagine how much you car would cost if liberals made competition illegal in the auto industry.

The world is not agree with you, the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

If your country is able to spend trillions of dollars in weapons, it can do it for your health I think.

It's the only way which can save your peaople but you must develop solidarity (take care of each other).

Regards,

 

[Meister]

The most significant way to make health care affordable is to make it competitive. Imagine how much you car would cost if liberals made competition illegal in the auto industry.

The world is not agree with you, the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

If your country is able to spend trillions of dollars in weapons, it can do it for your health I think.

It's the only way which can save your peaople but you must develop solidarity (take care of each other).

Regards,

Spoken exactly like the socialist he is. There is no free healthcare you moron. Your taxes pay for your "free healthcare". sheesh.
(I wonder what percent the government takes from the French?)

 

[Stephane]

The world is not agree with you, the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

If your country is able to spend trillions of dollars in weapons, it can do it for your health I think.

It's the only way which can save your peaople but you must develop solidarity (take care of each other).

Regards,

Spoken exactly like the socialist he is.

I understand that the term "socialist" is an insult in your country but I my country (conservative, so...) it's not. In France (by extension in whole Europe) people is more important than money, it 's an assumed fact.

Do I understand that Moore'Sicko is not a caricature about your system, you really think that socialism is equal to communism? Do you ever travel through the world and saw how the world is working?

There is no free healthcare you moron.

Why do you need to insult? A moderator who insult, wow! I'm here to discuss with smart/nice people!

Your taxes pay for your "free healthcare". sheesh.
(I wonder what percent the government takes from the French?)

The really fact is we have the lowest infant death rate in the world, and you?

Yes we pay taxes but we are able the live until 90yo without any cancer because our healcare companies is agreee with preventive medicine because it is a very good system which it is more profitable in the medium term, a tumor is less expendsive to treat than a advance cancer.

I came here to discuss because I thought that there were Christians who are abe to reason with compassion (instead some atheists).

I start to think that the reallity is american people is afraid by its own authorities and it is very easy to manipulate people who are scared, like all the world saw the Bush Era...

Take care

Edit: To be more factual about taxes, we pay in France bout 10% taxes (poor people 5% and less, very rich people until 40%). This is important but we pay never and nothing for meds and for doctors, specialists and hospital, never and nothing so it is really profitable. But we have private healthcare companies too ($20-$100/mo) for people who need "premium" services like individual room in hospital, branded and costly glasses or specific dental problem for example.

 

[Meister]

The world is not agree with you, the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

If your country is able to spend trillions of dollars in weapons, it can do it for your health I think.

It's the only way which can save your peaople but you must develop solidarity (take care of each other).

Regards,

Spoken exactly like the socialist he is.

I understand that the term "socialist" is an insult in your country but I my country (conservative, so...) it's not. In France (by extension in whole Europe) people is more important than money, it 's an assumed fact.

Do I understand that Moore'Sicko is not a caricature about your system, you really think that socialism is equal to communism? Do you ever travel through the world and saw how the world is working?

There is no free healthcare you moron.

Why do you need to insult? A moderator who insult, wow! I'm here to discuss with smart/nice people!

Your taxes pay for your "free healthcare". sheesh.
(I wonder what percent the government takes from the French?)

The really fact is we have the lowest infant death rate in the world, and you?

Yes we pay taxes but we are able the live until 90yo without any cancer because our healcare companies is agreee with preventive medicine because it is a very good system which it is more profitable in the medium term, a tumor is less expendsive to treat than a advance cancer.

I came here to discuss because I thought that there were Christians who are abe to reason with compassion (instead some atheists).

I start to think that the reallity is american people is afraid by its own authorities and it is very easy to manipulate people who are scared, like all the world saw the Bush Era...

Take care

#1, I'm only a moderator when there is a need to moderate, any other time I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are, so knock of the mod crap, okay? Sounds like you want to talk to people in the leftwing echo chamber, Stephane.

As far as the infant mortality rate...who knows? We count the deaths differently that France and the rest of the world, Stephane. We need to have an even playing field to figure this out, but my guess would be were as good as anyone.

No I don't think that socialism is the same as communism, but socialism has more government than what we have.

yes, I am afraid of what big government can do...look at China...look at Hitler, so yes your right there, but it is with good cause. Sorry you don't see it.

Reason with Compassion? Really? Who is more compassionate than the USA when we are needed in the world, who is more charitable than the USA? I don't think YOU really know how our country really works.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

people who are scared, like all the world saw the Bush Era...

1) France is a poor county with the income or Arkansas so we don't need advice from France

2) Americans have 80% of all recent medical patents. We just saved your life because your health system was invented in America.

3) if Americans were scared we would not have liberated Iraq, Afganistan and France, when you were with the Nazis.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

actually if you make goods and services free they become more expensive because they get wasted. I know in France they have very little education, but ask you Mom what would happen if they made cars free in France..

 

[Euro]

the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

actually if you make goods and services free they become more expensive because they get wasted. I know in France they have very little education, but ask you Mom what would happen if they made cars free in France..

How much do you pay in Health Insurance pr. month Edward, and do you get a tax-credit for it?
Has your price gone up or down after the greatest healthcare invetion in modern history "obamacare" were established?

My point is that after Obamas liberal reform in the health industry you pay less, right?

 

[Euro]

The world is not agree with you, the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

If your country is able to spend trillions of dollars in weapons, it can do it for your health I think.

It's the only way which can save your peaople but you must develop solidarity (take care of each other).

Regards,

I understand that the term "socialist" is an insult in your country but I my country (conservative, so...) it's not. In France (by extension in whole Europe) people is more important than money, it 's an assumed fact.

Do I understand that Moore'Sicko is not a caricature about your system, you really think that socialism is equal to communism? Do you ever travel through the world and saw how the world is working?


Why do you need to insult? A moderator who insult, wow! I'm here to discuss with smart/nice people!

Your taxes pay for your "free healthcare". sheesh.
(I wonder what percent the government takes from the French?)

The really fact is we have the lowest infant death rate in the world, and you?

Yes we pay taxes but we are able the live until 90yo without any cancer because our healcare companies is agreee with preventive medicine because it is a very good system which it is more profitable in the medium term, a tumor is less expendsive to treat than a advance cancer.

I came here to discuss because I thought that there were Christians who are abe to reason with compassion (instead some atheists).

I start to think that the reallity is american people is afraid by its own authorities and it is very easy to manipulate people who are scared, like all the world saw the Bush Era...

Take care

#1, I'm only a moderator when there is a need to moderate, any other time I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are, so knock of the mod crap, okay? Sounds like you want to talk to people in the leftwing echo chamber, Stephane.

As far as the infant mortality rate...who knows? We count the deaths differently that France and the rest of the world, Stephane. We need to have an even playing field to figure this out, but my guess would be were as good as anyone.

No I don't think that socialism is the same as communism, but socialism has more government than what we have.

yes, I am afraid of what big government can do...look at China...look at Hitler, so yes your right there, but it is with good cause. Sorry you don't see it.

Reason with Compassion? Really? Who is more compassionate than the USA when we are needed in the world, who is more charitable than the USA? I don't think YOU really know how our country really works.

I think US has more government than most european countries. US spends three times more than whole europe on military.
Where US spends the money on military, europe spends it on their people.

What’s so great with spending your tax money on military, wouldn’t it be better to get some services you need back for it?

 

[Meister]

I understand that the term "socialist" is an insult in your country but I my country (conservative, so...) it's not. In France (by extension in whole Europe) people is more important than money, it 's an assumed fact.

Do I understand that Moore'Sicko is not a caricature about your system, you really think that socialism is equal to communism? Do you ever travel through the world and saw how the world is working?


Why do you need to insult? A moderator who insult, wow! I'm here to discuss with smart/nice people!



The really fact is we have the lowest infant death rate in the world, and you?

Yes we pay taxes but we are able the live until 90yo without any cancer because our healcare companies is agreee with preventive medicine because it is a very good system which it is more profitable in the medium term, a tumor is less expendsive to treat than a advance cancer.

I came here to discuss because I thought that there were Christians who are abe to reason with compassion (instead some atheists).

I start to think that the reallity is american people is afraid by its own authorities and it is very easy to manipulate people who are scared, like all the world saw the Bush Era...

Take care

#1, I'm only a moderator when there is a need to moderate, any other time I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are, so knock of the mod crap, okay? Sounds like you want to talk to people in the leftwing echo chamber, Stephane.

As far as the infant mortality rate...who knows? We count the deaths differently that France and the rest of the world, Stephane. We need to have an even playing field to figure this out, but my guess would be were as good as anyone.

No I don't think that socialism is the same as communism, but socialism has more government than what we have.

yes, I am afraid of what big government can do...look at China...look at Hitler, so yes your right there, but it is with good cause. Sorry you don't see it.

Reason with Compassion? Really? Who is more compassionate than the USA when we are needed in the world, who is more charitable than the USA? I don't think YOU really know how our country really works.

I think US has more government than most european countries. US spends three times more than whole europe on military.
Where US spends the money on military, europe spends it on their people.

What’s so great with spending your tax money on military, wouldn’t it be better to get some services you need back for it?

We have this thing in this country called personal freedom of choice. If we don't want it, we don't get it. We don't have a government forcing it on us....yet. By the way, how is that economy going for you over there? From what we here....most of the countries are ass deep in debt and sinking, and gas near or at $10.00 a gal, or litre.

 

[Meister]

the most significant way to make healt care affordable is to make it free for everybody (indirectly, with taxes), like in my country, in France.

actually if you make goods and services free they become more expensive because they get wasted. I know in France they have very little education, but ask you Mom what would happen if they made cars free in France..

How much do you pay in Health Insurance pr. month Edward, and do you get a tax-credit for it?
Has your price gone up or down after the greatest healthcare invetion in modern history "obamacare" were established?

My point is that after Obamas liberal reform in the health industry you pay less, right?

We're paying more....go figure, huh?

 

[Euro]

#1, I'm only a moderator when there is a need to moderate, any other time I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are, so knock of the mod crap, okay? Sounds like you want to talk to people in the leftwing echo chamber, Stephane.

As far as the infant mortality rate...who knows? We count the deaths differently that France and the rest of the world, Stephane. We need to have an even playing field to figure this out, but my guess would be were as good as anyone.

No I don't think that socialism is the same as communism, but socialism has more government than what we have.

yes, I am afraid of what big government can do...look at China...look at Hitler, so yes your right there, but it is with good cause. Sorry you don't see it.

Reason with Compassion? Really? Who is more compassionate than the USA when we are needed in the world, who is more charitable than the USA? I don't think YOU really know how our country really works.

I think US has more government than most european countries. US spends three times more than whole europe on military.
Where US spends the money on military, europe spends it on their people.

What’s so great with spending your tax money on military, wouldn’t it be better to get some services you need back for it?

We have this thing in this country called personal freedom of choice. If we don't want it, we don't get it. We don't have a government forcing it on us....yet. By the way, how is that economy going for you over there? From what we here....most of the countries are ass deep in debt and sinking, and gas near or at $10.00 a gal, or litre.

You as an american are not allowed to trade with Cuba, that is what I call government force. Many european companies just took large oil contracts just outside the US coast. They laugh of the Yanks, that are not interested in oil just outside their coast.

Not being allowed to trade with Cuba is not what I call freedom of choiche, that’s fascistic government force.

 

[Meister]

I think US has more government than most european countries. US spends three times more than whole europe on military.
Where US spends the money on military, europe spends it on their people.

What’s so great with spending your tax money on military, wouldn’t it be better to get some services you need back for it?

We have this thing in this country called personal freedom of choice. If we don't want it, we don't get it. We don't have a government forcing it on us....yet. By the way, how is that economy going for you over there? From what we here....most of the countries are ass deep in debt and sinking, and gas near or at $10.00 a gal, or litre.

You as an american are not allowed to trade with Cuba, that is what I call government force. Many european companies just took large oil contracts just outside the US coast. They laugh of the Yanks, that are not interested in oil just outside their coast.

Not being allowed to trade with Cuba is not what I call freedom of choiche, that’s fascistic government force.

That's what you have on us? I agree we have too much government and I want less.
Now, how much do you pay for a litre of gas? What percentage of your wages is taxed?
How is your country doing economically?
Oh...and by the way, we are paying higher premiums for healthcare than we did last year.
Also, the euro is really in trouble along with the european countries. your social policies are coming back to bite you people in the ass.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I think US has more government than most european countries. US spends three times more than whole europe on military.
Where US spends the money on military, europe spends it on their people.

What’s so great with spending your tax money on military, wouldn’t it be better to get some services you need back for it?

1) of course a liberal will not know history at all . The USA spent on military and so was able to save Europe from the Nazis, and then give them the basics on civilization to begin again in our very un-Nazi like image.

2) Nevertheless with a feudal Nazi past it has been a struggle for Europe. Their tendency is to collectivise liberally. Accordingly, their income on average is like our poorest state, Arkansas. Without American inventions ( we have 80% of all recent medical patents for example) Europe would have about 40% of our standard of living.

3) Also, with the very very odd feudal Nazi past Europe is seen more as an old world theme park than anything and so collects huge tourist dollars without which they would be even further behind.

4) its all failing apart so badly that the people don't reproduce anyway; so the end is in sight on that basis alone; if not, as a manifestation of all of the above.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

My point is that after Obamas liberal reform in the health industry you pay less, right?

of course thats idiotic. Those who now get it free pay less of course, and those who have to pay for those who get in free pay more.

This is something only your mother can help you understand.

 

[Gadawg73]

The most significant way to make health care affordable is to make it competitive. Imagine how much you car would cost if liberals made competition illegal in the auto industry.

I agree 100%.
The current system where someone else is paying your health care premiums and another entity is administering the policy has little or no competititon in it.
My current policy has me as the one that administers the policy and a wellness program is the basis of the underwriting.

Of course to those that have no knowledge on this subject other than to receive an insurance card from their employer all of this is 20 feet over their head.

What I find amazing is that most Americans believe that an insurance company just sells a health policy not knowing the health history of the individual they are selling to.
News flash to the dumb mass Americans: insurance companies ARE getting more competitive in their underwriting-they are screening out the unhealthy! This is great news!!
Of course there are high risk companies that will write you-at twice the premiums.
No longer will the private market subsidize fat, unhealthy, smoking lazy Americans.
Go ahead and live that life but your insurance premiums will reflect it and the employers will not hire you because you cost too much to insure.

 

[ClaimTechnologi]

The health care industry incorporates several sectors that are dedicated to providing health care services and products.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The health care industry incorporates several sectors that are dedicated to providing health care services and products.

actually they'd be a lot more dedicated if they faced real competition and customers who were spending their own money.

Soviet car makers were dedicated too but still you had to use a dip stick to know how much gas you had in your tank.

Had they been in a Republican capitalist environment they would have been dedicated enough to invent a gas gauge.

 

[merrill]

The most significant way to make health care affordable is to make it competitive. Imagine how much you car would cost if liberals made competition illegal in the auto industry.

There are more than 2000 health insurance providers = more than 2000 CEO's and golden parachutes. And lots of special interest money to members of congress and lobbyists.

And a tremendous amount of bureaucracy with over 2000 providers.

This is competitive?