U.S. Ranks Last in Study of...

[midcan5]

Few days go by when the topic of abortion doesn't come up online and the conservatives express their great fondness for life. It doesn't matter that life in this case is potential and undeveloped, it only matters that it is life and it has a right to life. Now turn to healthcare for the same child born now to a poor or lower class family, and suddenly the conservative no longer cares that the living child have a right to life, aka excellent healthcare. It's not the conservatives fault the child didn't pick an upper middle class family to be born into after all. In fact, mention universal healthcare, and the conservative bemoans the cost of granting this human necessity to the living child. Once past the vagina the child is on its own in the conservative world. We loved and supported you till now is such a wonderful sentiment.

Now consider another anomaly of the conservative moral compass. Remember death panels for grandma, consider the figures below and consider that UHC would help living people. Surely the conservative would beat down the doors to help those in need for they love life. Don't they? Oddly it seems they don't and now the love is over for good. What an odd bunch conservatives are, is it any wonder their representatives for president and in congress are always confused.

'U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries'

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions. Such poor performance calls American’s failure to provide adequate health care to all citizens into even sharper focus. Those who deliver health care in America know this reality all too well: clinicians, nurses, and other providers contend with it on a daily basis." U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries | American Nursing Review. Nursing Journals : American Society of Registered Nurses

And the another side of the coin. Death panels.

"Before we commit ourselves to extending the lives of persistently unconscious people, maybe we ought to consider the effects that that would have on our already-dysfunctional health care system. Indeed, maybe we ought to start by trying to identify the population who would be most likely to benefit from this change. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm thinking that it would be people who are relatively well-off and have good insurance - that is, people who are relatively privileged. If you're uninsured, forget it: no hospital is going to devote an ICU bed to someone who'll stay there indefinitely without ever being able to pay for it. And if you're insured but can't afford to keep mailing checks to your insurer indefinitely, odds are that you'll either decline to start treatment or will terminate it relatively quickly. Why, then, would we change our medical system so that it increasingly favors those who are already best off?" Rust Belt Philosophy: The conservative theory of medicine: help the helped


PS My use of the word 'conservative' refers to the particular American blend.

 

[Bfgrn]

Don't you know midcan, the 'invisible hand' is so magical, it can even heal...

The whole basis of a 'free market' is the buyer has leverage, i.e. he/she can take his/her business elsewhere. That works perfectly fine when the stakes are 'things' (cars or TV sets etc). But a person's health is not a 'thing', and the consumer's stake is their very life. An unhappy consumer can go buys a different car or TV. If a person has a life threatening illness and is denied coverage for treatment, WHAT leverage does that person have...take their business elsewhere IN ANOTHER LIFE?

 

[chikenwing]

Or you can look at it this way,if your a victim of an abortion,you will NEVER have any chance in life,where as if you were not killed you have so many more opportunity's regardless of your economic situation.


Dead is just that

 

[Bfgrn]

Or you can look at it this way,if your a victim of an abortion,you will NEVER have any chance in life,where as if you were not killed you have so many more opportunity's regardless of your economic situation.


Dead is just that

Aren't you forgetting an important human being in the process, the mother? What are her rights?

 

[Moonglow]

To a conservative, women should follow and not lead

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's odd.

When that fat fucking murdering Senator from MA was terminally ill, what country did he go to for his treatment? Cuba? Spain?

 

[Greenbeard]

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions.

Goes with the territory when you have the worst access in the industrialized world. This shouldn't come as a surprise.

 

[Brutus]

and suddenly the conservative no longer cares that the living child have a right to life,

being opposed to abortion does not mean one is obligated to support liberal socialist health care programs. It is purely idiotic but perfectly liberal to make such a connection. See why we are positive a liberal will have a low IQ?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What country should we send Progressives for treatment? You don't want to be treated here, right?

 

[uscitizen]

American Exceptionalism at work.

Everyone except those who cannot afford it get exceptional health care.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Few days go by when the topic of abortion doesn't come up online and the conservatives express their great fondness for life. It doesn't matter that life in this case is potential and undeveloped, it only matters that it is life and it has a right to life. Now turn to healthcare for the same child born now to a poor or lower class family, and suddenly the conservative no longer cares that the living child have a right to life, aka excellent healthcare. It's not the conservatives fault the child didn't pick an upper middle class family to be born into after all. In fact, mention universal healthcare, and the conservative bemoans the cost of granting this human necessity to the living child. Once past the vagina the child is on its own in the conservative world. We loved and supported you till now is such a wonderful sentiment.

Now consider another anomaly of the conservative moral compass. Remember death panels for grandma, consider the figures below and consider that UHC would help living people. Surely the conservative would beat down the doors to help those in need for they love life. Don't they? Oddly it seems they don't and now the love is over for good. What an odd bunch conservatives are, is it any wonder their representatives for president and in congress are always confused.

'U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries'

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions. Such poor performance calls American’s failure to provide adequate health care to all citizens into even sharper focus. Those who deliver health care in America know this reality all too well: clinicians, nurses, and other providers contend with it on a daily basis." U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries | American Nursing Review. Nursing Journals : American Society of Registered Nurses

And the another side of the coin. Death panels.

"Before we commit ourselves to extending the lives of persistently unconscious people, maybe we ought to consider the effects that that would have on our already-dysfunctional health care system. Indeed, maybe we ought to start by trying to identify the population who would be most likely to benefit from this change. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm thinking that it would be people who are relatively well-off and have good insurance - that is, people who are relatively privileged. If you're uninsured, forget it: no hospital is going to devote an ICU bed to someone who'll stay there indefinitely without ever being able to pay for it. And if you're insured but can't afford to keep mailing checks to your insurer indefinitely, odds are that you'll either decline to start treatment or will terminate it relatively quickly. Why, then, would we change our medical system so that it increasingly favors those who are already best off?" Rust Belt Philosophy: The conservative theory of medicine: help the helped


PS My use of the word 'conservative' refers to the particular American blend.

Where do you want to go for treatment?

 

[uscitizen]

Few days go by when the topic of abortion doesn't come up online and the conservatives express their great fondness for life. It doesn't matter that life in this case is potential and undeveloped, it only matters that it is life and it has a right to life. Now turn to healthcare for the same child born now to a poor or lower class family, and suddenly the conservative no longer cares that the living child have a right to life, aka excellent healthcare. It's not the conservatives fault the child didn't pick an upper middle class family to be born into after all. In fact, mention universal healthcare, and the conservative bemoans the cost of granting this human necessity to the living child. Once past the vagina the child is on its own in the conservative world. We loved and supported you till now is such a wonderful sentiment.

Now consider another anomaly of the conservative moral compass. Remember death panels for grandma, consider the figures below and consider that UHC would help living people. Surely the conservative would beat down the doors to help those in need for they love life. Don't they? Oddly it seems they don't and now the love is over for good. What an odd bunch conservatives are, is it any wonder their representatives for president and in congress are always confused.

'U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries'

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions. Such poor performance calls American’s failure to provide adequate health care to all citizens into even sharper focus. Those who deliver health care in America know this reality all too well: clinicians, nurses, and other providers contend with it on a daily basis." U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries | American Nursing Review. Nursing Journals : American Society of Registered Nurses

And the another side of the coin. Death panels.

"Before we commit ourselves to extending the lives of persistently unconscious people, maybe we ought to consider the effects that that would have on our already-dysfunctional health care system. Indeed, maybe we ought to start by trying to identify the population who would be most likely to benefit from this change. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm thinking that it would be people who are relatively well-off and have good insurance - that is, people who are relatively privileged. If you're uninsured, forget it: no hospital is going to devote an ICU bed to someone who'll stay there indefinitely without ever being able to pay for it. And if you're insured but can't afford to keep mailing checks to your insurer indefinitely, odds are that you'll either decline to start treatment or will terminate it relatively quickly. Why, then, would we change our medical system so that it increasingly favors those who are already best off?" Rust Belt Philosophy: The conservative theory of medicine: help the helped


PS My use of the word 'conservative' refers to the particular American blend.

Where do you want to go for treatment?

Umm one of the coutrys that rank higher than us in healthcare?
Where Palin went for healthcare as a child?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Few days go by when the topic of abortion doesn't come up online and the conservatives express their great fondness for life. It doesn't matter that life in this case is potential and undeveloped, it only matters that it is life and it has a right to life. Now turn to healthcare for the same child born now to a poor or lower class family, and suddenly the conservative no longer cares that the living child have a right to life, aka excellent healthcare. It's not the conservatives fault the child didn't pick an upper middle class family to be born into after all. In fact, mention universal healthcare, and the conservative bemoans the cost of granting this human necessity to the living child. Once past the vagina the child is on its own in the conservative world. We loved and supported you till now is such a wonderful sentiment.

Now consider another anomaly of the conservative moral compass. Remember death panels for grandma, consider the figures below and consider that UHC would help living people. Surely the conservative would beat down the doors to help those in need for they love life. Don't they? Oddly it seems they don't and now the love is over for good. What an odd bunch conservatives are, is it any wonder their representatives for president and in congress are always confused.

'U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries'

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions. Such poor performance calls American’s failure to provide adequate health care to all citizens into even sharper focus. Those who deliver health care in America know this reality all too well: clinicians, nurses, and other providers contend with it on a daily basis." U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries | American Nursing Review. Nursing Journals : American Society of Registered Nurses

And the another side of the coin. Death panels.

"Before we commit ourselves to extending the lives of persistently unconscious people, maybe we ought to consider the effects that that would have on our already-dysfunctional health care system. Indeed, maybe we ought to start by trying to identify the population who would be most likely to benefit from this change. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm thinking that it would be people who are relatively well-off and have good insurance - that is, people who are relatively privileged. If you're uninsured, forget it: no hospital is going to devote an ICU bed to someone who'll stay there indefinitely without ever being able to pay for it. And if you're insured but can't afford to keep mailing checks to your insurer indefinitely, odds are that you'll either decline to start treatment or will terminate it relatively quickly. Why, then, would we change our medical system so that it increasingly favors those who are already best off?" Rust Belt Philosophy: The conservative theory of medicine: help the helped


PS My use of the word 'conservative' refers to the particular American blend.

Where do you want to go for treatment?

Umm one of the coutrys that rank higher than us in healthcare?
Where Palin went for healthcare as a child?

Adios

 

[Brutus]

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions.

it adds fuel if you are a liberal and so cant think. Americans die in high numbers for many reasons not connected to the health care system such as over eating and smoking.

One thing is certain, liberal socialist health care will only make things worse. Did the liberal notice that China just switched to capitalism and suddenly they started being able to afford everything. How can the easiest lessons be way over a liberals head?

 

[CaféAuLait]

Just an observation this paper was released in 2008 and was based on the years 1997-1998 and amenable mortality only. They also choose the cases. So if they choose Heart Disease ( something high in the US) as opposed to TB or Malaria ( something with low death rates in the US) it would skew the study. It was also done by 2 people in London. Not exactly a world class paper.


And they based their finding on:

Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care, and ranked nations on how they did.

Measuring the Health of Nations: Updating an Earlier Analysis - The Commonwealth Fund

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just an observation this paper was released in 2008 and was based on the years 1997-1998 and amenable mortality only. They also choose the cases. So if they choose Heart Disease ( something high in the US) as opposed to TB or Malaria ( something with low death rates in the US) it would skew the study. It was also done by 2 people in London. Not exactly a world class paper.


And they based their finding on:

Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care, and ranked nations on how they did.

Measuring the Health of Nations: Updating an Earlier Analysis - The Commonwealth Fund

That may be true but we should still send our Progressives to Cuba for treatment

 

[midcan5]

Just an observation this paper was released in 2008 and was based on the years 1997-1998 and amenable mortality only. They also choose the cases. So if they choose Heart Disease ( something high in the US) as opposed to TB or Malaria ( something with low death rates in the US) it would skew the study. It was also done by 2 people in London. Not exactly a world class paper.

If we were to argue that the statistics are no longer relevant, the burden is on us to show that. Considering America's love of money over its love of its people, I would think one year is very much like the next. What would change it is extending medicare or UHC, but we all know that is a work in progress. 60 minutes did a piece on healthcare in the South and doctors offered free healthcare, the lines were long and the people average working people who simply could not afford healthcare. This fact amazes me. We can do better, but by the magic of propaganda that seems impossible. When things that help people are made bad one wonders.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Few days go by when the topic of abortion doesn't come up online and the conservatives express their great fondness for life. It doesn't matter that life in this case is potential and undeveloped, it only matters that it is life and it has a right to life. Now turn to healthcare for the same child born now to a poor or lower class family, and suddenly the conservative no longer cares that the living child have a right to life, aka excellent healthcare. It's not the conservatives fault the child didn't pick an upper middle class family to be born into after all. In fact, mention universal healthcare, and the conservative bemoans the cost of granting this human necessity to the living child. Once past the vagina the child is on its own in the conservative world. We loved and supported you till now is such a wonderful sentiment.

Now consider another anomaly of the conservative moral compass. Remember death panels for grandma, consider the figures below and consider that UHC would help living people. Surely the conservative would beat down the doors to help those in need for they love life. Don't they? Oddly it seems they don't and now the love is over for good. What an odd bunch conservatives are, is it any wonder their representatives for president and in congress are always confused.

'U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries'

"To add fuel to the fire a new study has ranked the US dead last among 19 industrialized nations in numbers preventable deaths due to treatable medical conditions. Such poor performance calls American’s failure to provide adequate health care to all citizens into even sharper focus. Those who deliver health care in America know this reality all too well: clinicians, nurses, and other providers contend with it on a daily basis." U.S. Ranks Last in Study of Preventable Deaths in Industrialized Countries | American Nursing Review. Nursing Journals : American Society of Registered Nurses

And the another side of the coin. Death panels.

"Before we commit ourselves to extending the lives of persistently unconscious people, maybe we ought to consider the effects that that would have on our already-dysfunctional health care system. Indeed, maybe we ought to start by trying to identify the population who would be most likely to benefit from this change. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm thinking that it would be people who are relatively well-off and have good insurance - that is, people who are relatively privileged. If you're uninsured, forget it: no hospital is going to devote an ICU bed to someone who'll stay there indefinitely without ever being able to pay for it. And if you're insured but can't afford to keep mailing checks to your insurer indefinitely, odds are that you'll either decline to start treatment or will terminate it relatively quickly. Why, then, would we change our medical system so that it increasingly favors those who are already best off?" Rust Belt Philosophy: The conservative theory of medicine: help the helped


PS My use of the word 'conservative' refers to the particular American blend.

ABORTION IS NOT A VIABLE OR ACCEPTABLE BIRTH CONTROL MEASURE

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just an observation this paper was released in 2008 and was based on the years 1997-1998 and amenable mortality only. They also choose the cases. So if they choose Heart Disease ( something high in the US) as opposed to TB or Malaria ( something with low death rates in the US) it would skew the study. It was also done by 2 people in London. Not exactly a world class paper.

If we were to argue that the statistics are no longer relevant, the burden is on us to show that. Considering America's love of money over its love of its people, I would think one year is very much like the next. What would change it is extending medicare or UHC, but we all know that is a work in progress. 60 minutes did a piece on healthcare in the South and doctors offered free healthcare, the lines were long and the people average working people who simply could not afford healthcare. This fact amazes me. We can do better, but by the magic of propaganda that seems impossible. When things that help people are made bad one wonders.

Where do you want to go for any treatment? What country?

 

[PredFan]

I have noticed in the short time I've been here that there have been enough strawmen built to make the largest army on the planet.