Why Democrats Are in Trouble

[beretta304]

To support my view,I've offered concrete examples of where Republican statements and policies have alienated voters

You have been whining that "Democrats do it too"

I note that you are unable to support your position. Run away my friend

Yeah and I'll ask how high when you tell me to jump too!

When the going gets tough...

The sackless run away

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[rightwinger]

Yeah and I'll ask how high when you tell me to jump too!

When the going gets tough...

The sackless run away

In one of the nastiest put-downs I’ve seen, a condescending Obama tells Hillary she’s “likable enough.” This is the same man who later cracked a joke that quite obviously called his female political opponent a pig. Generally, Obama doesn’t seem comfortable around women. In the White House, he’s subservient to them; on the road, condescending.

Maxine Waters states her devout wish that the Tea Party go “straight to Hell.”

Barack Obama thinks highly of ordinary Americans and the way they respond to economic hard times: “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Despite their secularism, Democrats aren’t above citing God when it suits them. Jennifer Granholm, for example, looking at the weather system heading towards Florida, tweets “R convention delay due to Isaac: I guess God has ways to shut that whole thing down.”

When it comes to mean (and profoundly racist), no one beats the Democrats’ own Rep. Pete Stark:

In August 1990, Stark drew controversy for calling Health and Human Services Secretary Louis Wade Sullivan, an African American, “a disgrace to his race” for supporting Bush Administration policies that Stark called “bankrupt and damaging to minority members.” Stark was criticizing Sullivan’s opposition to proposals for federally sponsored national health insurance when Stark had introduced legislation for national health insurance at the time, and said that Sullivan had been influenced by George H. W. Bush administration officials such as Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman and White House Chief of Staff John H. Sununu to change his positions on both abortion and health care. Sullivan angrily retorted, “I don’t live on Pete Stark’s plantation”, and replied in a statement, saying in part, “I guess I should feel ashamed because Congressman Stark thinks I am not a ‘good Negro.’ As a Cabinet member who has spent almost four decades of my life dedicated to healing,… am unable to express my own views without being subject to race-based criticism by those who are not ready to accept independent thinking by a black man.” Stark later apologized for the controversy.

In May 2004, Stark responded to a constituent Army National Guard member’s letter critical of Stark’s recent vote on the war in Iraq by immediately calling the service member’s telephone and leaving a feisty response on voicemail which was later broadcast on San Francisco’s talk radio station KSFO. Stark’s harsh voicemail was transcribed as follows:

Dan, this is Congressman Pete Stark, and I just got your fax. And you don’t know what you’re talking about. So if you care about enlisted people, you wouldn’t have voted for that thing either. But probably somebody put you up to this, and I’m not sure who it was, but I doubt if you could spell half the words in the letter, and somebody wrote it for you. So I don’t pay much attention to it. But I’ll call you back later and let you tell me more about why you think you’re such a great goddamn hero and why you think that this generals [sic] and the Defense Department, who forced these poor enlisted guys to do what they did, shouldn’t be held to account. That’s the issue. So if you want to stick it to a bunch of enlisted guys, have your way. But if you want to get to the bottom of people who forced this awful program in Iraq, then you should understand more about it than you obviously do. Thanks.

On October 18, 2007, Stark made the following comments on the House floor during a debate with Congressman Joe Barton of Texas: “Republicans sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you’re telling us today? Is that how you’re going to fund the war? You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.” Following the initial criticism to his statements, when asked by a radio station if he would take back any of his statements, Stark responded “Absolutely not. I may have dishonored the Commander-in-Chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me.”[35] The same day, his office also issued a press release, saying in part, “I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best. But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms [sic] way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care.” Five days later on October 23, after the House voted down a censure resolution against Stark sponsored by Minority Leader John Boehner, he said, “I apologize for this reason: I think we have serious issues before us, the issue of providing medical care to children, the issue about what we’re going to do about a war that we’re divided about how to end.”

Other controversies include singling out “Jewish colleagues” for blame for the Persian Gulf War and referring to Congressman Stephen Solarz of New York (who co-sponsored the Gulf War Authorization Act) as “Field Marshal Solarz in the pro-Israel forces.” in 1991.[38] In 1995, during a private meeting with Congresswoman Nancy Johnson of Connecticut, he called Johnson a “whore for the insurance industry” and suggested that her knowledge of health care came solely from “pillow talk” with her husband, a physician. His press secretary, Caleb Marshall, defended him in saying, “He didn’t call her a ‘whore,’ he called her a ‘whore of the insurance industry.’”[38] In a 2001 Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health hearing on abstinence promotion, he referred to Congressman J. C. Watts of Oklahoma as “the current Republican Conference Chairman, whose children were all born out of wedlock.”[38] In 2003, when Stark was told to “shut up” by Congressman Scott McInnis of Colorado during a Ways and Means Committee meeting due to Stark’s belittling of the chairman, Bill Thomas of California, he replied, “You think you are big enough to make me, you little wimp? Come on. Come over here and make me, I dare you. You little fruitcake.”

In an older video taped interview with Jan Helfeld concerning the size of the national debt, Stark stated that the size of the national debt is a reflection of the nation’s wealth. When pressed if the nation should take on more debt in order to have more wealth, Stark threatened Helfeld and said, “You get the fuck out of here or I’ll throw you out the window.”

On August 27, 2009, Stark suggested that his moderate Democratic colleagues were “brain dead” for proposing changes to the health care reform bill being considered by Congress. Saying that they “just want to cause trouble,” Stark claimed, “they’re for the most part, I hate to say, brain dead, but they’re just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process” during a conference call.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized on Stark, “Only a politician who assumes he has a job for life could behave so badly on a semi-regular basis by spewing personalized invective that might get him punched in certain East Bay taverns. Would-be challengers sometimes sense a whiff of opportunity, but the reality of taking on a 16-term Democrat in solidly liberal terrain is nothing short of daunting. Surely there must be someone along the shoreline between Alameda and Fremont who could represent the good citizens of the district with class and dignity. It’s not the case now.”

During a town hall meeting, a constituent who opposed Barack Obama’s health care plan told Stark, “Mr. Congressman, don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” Stark responded with, “I wouldn’t dignify you by peeing on your leg. It wouldn’t be worth wasting the urine.”

OK...lets discuss

Which voting block was outraged by any of these "nasty" comments?
What impact, if any, did these comments have on the 2012 election?

I say none

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP is in disarray and will be for a while, until we stomp down the far right weirdos. Once that is done, we will going to looking for candidates the caliber of Jon Huntsman.

 

[Cammmpbell]

"Barack Obama won because he recognized a new America." Or maybe an America more fluid, more insubstantial than post-election wisdom is ready to grant. You can't always tell about "new" -- a truth the human race rarely acknowledges.

We'll see whether James Carville's and Stan Greenberg's words from a Democracy Corps survey stand up better than the consensus of November 1965, following the Lyndon Johnson-led slaughter of almost every Republican downwind from Barry Goldwater. Johnson, father of the Great Society, was all but run out of Washington on a rail after mucking up the Vietnam War.

Meanwhile, as everyone these days seems to know, the unstoppable alliance of unmarried women, young people, Hispanics and Blacks is set to remake America: the minute Americans agree on what a remade America ought to look like.

"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip" is the indicated adage for now, notwithstanding that polls such as Carville's and Greenberg's seem to confirm the birth of a new alliance committed to wealth redistribution and big government.

The so-called "Rising American Electorate" appears to hanker for, among other things, larger investments in education, "protection" of Social Security and Medicare and fairness for women. Thomas B. Edsall, in the New York Times, calls attention to a Pew Research Center poll showing rising support for socialism as the remedy for capitalism.

Yes, yes, fine. Let's see how it all works out. To put it another way: Let's see what works out in practice and not just post-campaign rhetoric. The instant temptation, from the conservative side, is to go all weepy at such news. I would counsel resistance to such temptation: this, for a couple of reasons.

Republicans need to cheer up. It always hurts to lose a vital election: for instance, the one immediately past. And yet to victors sometimes belongs something more depressing than spoils; namely, the obligation to make good on lame, idiotic promises. Might we hold the national obituaries pending proof that the 2012 outcome was the will of the gods?


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I love it! The Republicans haven't even admitted they lost the election much less begin to change anything. They are toast as long as they thump their bibles and worship the T Party.

 

[jillian]

The GOP is in disarray and will be for a while, until we stomp down the far right weirdos. Once that is done, we will going to looking for candidates the caliber of Jon Huntsman.

its kind of funny, though... they're like the black knight of the political world.

"i'll fight you with no arms"....

"come back here and i'll bite your bleeding leg off"

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yah, the far right and libertarian loons are wack.

 

[g5000]

"Barack Obama won because he recognized a new America." Or maybe an America more fluid, more insubstantial than post-election wisdom is ready to grant. You can't always tell about "new" -- a truth the human race rarely acknowledges.

We'll see whether James Carville's and Stan Greenberg's words from a Democracy Corps survey stand up better than the consensus of November 1965, following the Lyndon Johnson-led slaughter of almost every Republican downwind from Barry Goldwater. Johnson, father of the Great Society, was all but run out of Washington on a rail after mucking up the Vietnam War.

Meanwhile, as everyone these days seems to know, the unstoppable alliance of unmarried women, young people, Hispanics and Blacks is set to remake America: the minute Americans agree on what a remade America ought to look like.

"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip" is the indicated adage for now, notwithstanding that polls such as Carville's and Greenberg's seem to confirm the birth of a new alliance committed to wealth redistribution and big government.

The so-called "Rising American Electorate" appears to hanker for, among other things, larger investments in education, "protection" of Social Security and Medicare and fairness for women. Thomas B. Edsall, in the New York Times, calls attention to a Pew Research Center poll showing rising support for socialism as the remedy for capitalism.

Yes, yes, fine. Let's see how it all works out. To put it another way: Let's see what works out in practice and not just post-campaign rhetoric. The instant temptation, from the conservative side, is to go all weepy at such news. I would counsel resistance to such temptation: this, for a couple of reasons.

Republicans need to cheer up. It always hurts to lose a vital election: for instance, the one immediately past. And yet to victors sometimes belongs something more depressing than spoils; namely, the obligation to make good on lame, idiotic promises. Might we hold the national obituaries pending proof that the 2012 outcome was the will of the gods?


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The Pew Research Center poll does not show "rising support for socialism as the remedy for capitalism".

http://www.people-press.org/2011/12...-response-to-capitalism-socialism/12-28-11-2/

In fact it quite clearly says "Little Change in Public's Response to Capitalism and Socialism".


More manufactured bullshit from the right.

As long as unthinking right wing idiots keep worshipping at the altar of the false idols who lie to their faces, the right will continue to get kicked in the nuts in elections.


Take out the goddam trash and start thinking for yourselves.
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[rightwinger]

Yeah and I'll ask how high when you tell me to jump too!

When the going gets tough...

The sackless run away

Then you must be exhausted.



Actress Stacey Dash Endorses Romney, Nastiness Ensues On Twitter


Actress Stacey Dash, of "Clueless" fame, had the courage to come out and endorse Mitt Romney. Not an easy thing to do, considering her profession. She posted on her Twitter account:



“Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future. @mittromney @teamromney #mittromney #VOTE #voteromney”


This enraged many of her fans and Twitter followers who started with a barrage of nasty comments, including offensive racial epithets. Like Barack Obama Dash is bi-racial. From News Busters, here is some of the nastiness coming from the oh-so-tolerant, liberal Obama supporters.


"Kill yaself you old hag,” tweeted someone named Briggs Marley. His sentiments were echoed by several other bastions of tolerance.
Another genius calling himself Sherrick W. denounced Dash as “an indoor slave.” He was replying back to someone named @HelloItsBeyonce who had also used racial slurs to attack the actress: “You ready to head back to the fields, jiggaboo?” the person had said, using an offensive racial slur referring to dark-skinned black Americans. Someone calling herself @ASvpFeefa blasted Dash using another racial slur: “TYPICAL OREO .. Voting for a white devil. #SICK”

So far...you lose

I referenced major players and policies pushed by Republicans which cost them contituencies in the 2012 election

You counter with some anonymous internet quotes that had no impact on the election

Try to keep up...will ya?

 

[beretta304]

When the going gets tough...

The sackless run away

In one of the nastiest put-downs I’ve seen, a condescending Obama tells Hillary she’s “likable enough.” This is the same man who later cracked a joke that quite obviously called his female political opponent a pig. Generally, Obama doesn’t seem comfortable around women. In the White House, he’s subservient to them; on the road, condescending.

Maxine Waters states her devout wish that the Tea Party go “straight to Hell.”

Barack Obama thinks highly of ordinary Americans and the way they respond to economic hard times: “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Despite their secularism, Democrats aren’t above citing God when it suits them. Jennifer Granholm, for example, looking at the weather system heading towards Florida, tweets “R convention delay due to Isaac: I guess God has ways to shut that whole thing down.”

When it comes to mean (and profoundly racist), no one beats the Democrats’ own Rep. Pete Stark:

In August 1990, Stark drew controversy for calling Health and Human Services Secretary Louis Wade Sullivan, an African American, “a disgrace to his race” for supporting Bush Administration policies that Stark called “bankrupt and damaging to minority members.” Stark was criticizing Sullivan’s opposition to proposals for federally sponsored national health insurance when Stark had introduced legislation for national health insurance at the time, and said that Sullivan had been influenced by George H. W. Bush administration officials such as Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman and White House Chief of Staff John H. Sununu to change his positions on both abortion and health care. Sullivan angrily retorted, “I don’t live on Pete Stark’s plantation”, and replied in a statement, saying in part, “I guess I should feel ashamed because Congressman Stark thinks I am not a ‘good Negro.’ As a Cabinet member who has spent almost four decades of my life dedicated to healing,… am unable to express my own views without being subject to race-based criticism by those who are not ready to accept independent thinking by a black man.” Stark later apologized for the controversy.

In May 2004, Stark responded to a constituent Army National Guard member’s letter critical of Stark’s recent vote on the war in Iraq by immediately calling the service member’s telephone and leaving a feisty response on voicemail which was later broadcast on San Francisco’s talk radio station KSFO. Stark’s harsh voicemail was transcribed as follows:

Dan, this is Congressman Pete Stark, and I just got your fax. And you don’t know what you’re talking about. So if you care about enlisted people, you wouldn’t have voted for that thing either. But probably somebody put you up to this, and I’m not sure who it was, but I doubt if you could spell half the words in the letter, and somebody wrote it for you. So I don’t pay much attention to it. But I’ll call you back later and let you tell me more about why you think you’re such a great goddamn hero and why you think that this generals [sic] and the Defense Department, who forced these poor enlisted guys to do what they did, shouldn’t be held to account. That’s the issue. So if you want to stick it to a bunch of enlisted guys, have your way. But if you want to get to the bottom of people who forced this awful program in Iraq, then you should understand more about it than you obviously do. Thanks.

On October 18, 2007, Stark made the following comments on the House floor during a debate with Congressman Joe Barton of Texas: “Republicans sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you’re telling us today? Is that how you’re going to fund the war? You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.” Following the initial criticism to his statements, when asked by a radio station if he would take back any of his statements, Stark responded “Absolutely not. I may have dishonored the Commander-in-Chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me.”[35] The same day, his office also issued a press release, saying in part, “I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best. But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms [sic] way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care.” Five days later on October 23, after the House voted down a censure resolution against Stark sponsored by Minority Leader John Boehner, he said, “I apologize for this reason: I think we have serious issues before us, the issue of providing medical care to children, the issue about what we’re going to do about a war that we’re divided about how to end.”

Other controversies include singling out “Jewish colleagues” for blame for the Persian Gulf War and referring to Congressman Stephen Solarz of New York (who co-sponsored the Gulf War Authorization Act) as “Field Marshal Solarz in the pro-Israel forces.” in 1991.[38] In 1995, during a private meeting with Congresswoman Nancy Johnson of Connecticut, he called Johnson a “whore for the insurance industry” and suggested that her knowledge of health care came solely from “pillow talk” with her husband, a physician. His press secretary, Caleb Marshall, defended him in saying, “He didn’t call her a ‘whore,’ he called her a ‘whore of the insurance industry.’”[38] In a 2001 Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health hearing on abstinence promotion, he referred to Congressman J. C. Watts of Oklahoma as “the current Republican Conference Chairman, whose children were all born out of wedlock.”[38] In 2003, when Stark was told to “shut up” by Congressman Scott McInnis of Colorado during a Ways and Means Committee meeting due to Stark’s belittling of the chairman, Bill Thomas of California, he replied, “You think you are big enough to make me, you little wimp? Come on. Come over here and make me, I dare you. You little fruitcake.”

In an older video taped interview with Jan Helfeld concerning the size of the national debt, Stark stated that the size of the national debt is a reflection of the nation’s wealth. When pressed if the nation should take on more debt in order to have more wealth, Stark threatened Helfeld and said, “You get the fuck out of here or I’ll throw you out the window.”

On August 27, 2009, Stark suggested that his moderate Democratic colleagues were “brain dead” for proposing changes to the health care reform bill being considered by Congress. Saying that they “just want to cause trouble,” Stark claimed, “they’re for the most part, I hate to say, brain dead, but they’re just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process” during a conference call.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized on Stark, “Only a politician who assumes he has a job for life could behave so badly on a semi-regular basis by spewing personalized invective that might get him punched in certain East Bay taverns. Would-be challengers sometimes sense a whiff of opportunity, but the reality of taking on a 16-term Democrat in solidly liberal terrain is nothing short of daunting. Surely there must be someone along the shoreline between Alameda and Fremont who could represent the good citizens of the district with class and dignity. It’s not the case now.”

During a town hall meeting, a constituent who opposed Barack Obama’s health care plan told Stark, “Mr. Congressman, don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” Stark responded with, “I wouldn’t dignify you by peeing on your leg. It wouldn’t be worth wasting the urine.”

OK...lets discuss

Which voting block was outraged by any of these "nasty" comments?
What impact, if any, did these comments have on the 2012 election?

I say none

No, no, no...wrong. You wanted examples I gave them. As I said earlier, I have no desire to discuss anything with you.

Now you show that juvenile temper of yours and how understanding and respectful you are of other's wishes and call me sackless again because I won't confrom to what you want me to do.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Barack Obama won because he recognized a new America." Or maybe an America more fluid, more insubstantial than post-election wisdom is ready to grant. You can't always tell about "new" -- a truth the human race rarely acknowledges.

We'll see whether James Carville's and Stan Greenberg's words from a Democracy Corps survey stand up better than the consensus of November 1965, following the Lyndon Johnson-led slaughter of almost every Republican downwind from Barry Goldwater. Johnson, father of the Great Society, was all but run out of Washington on a rail after mucking up the Vietnam War.

Meanwhile, as everyone these days seems to know, the unstoppable alliance of unmarried women, young people, Hispanics and Blacks is set to remake America: the minute Americans agree on what a remade America ought to look like.

"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip" is the indicated adage for now, notwithstanding that polls such as Carville's and Greenberg's seem to confirm the birth of a new alliance committed to wealth redistribution and big government.

The so-called "Rising American Electorate" appears to hanker for, among other things, larger investments in education, "protection" of Social Security and Medicare and fairness for women. Thomas B. Edsall, in the New York Times, calls attention to a Pew Research Center poll showing rising support for socialism as the remedy for capitalism.

Yes, yes, fine. Let's see how it all works out. To put it another way: Let's see what works out in practice and not just post-campaign rhetoric. The instant temptation, from the conservative side, is to go all weepy at such news. I would counsel resistance to such temptation: this, for a couple of reasons.

Republicans need to cheer up. It always hurts to lose a vital election: for instance, the one immediately past. And yet to victors sometimes belongs something more depressing than spoils; namely, the obligation to make good on lame, idiotic promises. Might we hold the national obituaries pending proof that the 2012 outcome was the will of the gods?


Why Democrats Are in Trouble | RealClearPolitics

This is a thread about nothing, nothing of substance that is. Between the lines - and even overtly - there is racism and bigotry; there is denial, excuses, blame and anger. There is no hint of reflection, questioning or introspection. This leaves one with a sense that the OP is bitter and thus, beretta risks falling into a deep depression, or worse.

Those upset with the results of the election are many, some respond in the manner of the author of this thread, venting his emotions on paper and hopefully achieving some benefits of this type of therapy. Some will give into their despair and act out violently, we have read and heard such rhetoric already by the more disturbed posters on this message board.

Americans can only hope that the bitter and despondent are few and the responsible members on the right lick their wound and honestly and critically examine the reasons for their loss. Such a thread would be interesting, substantive and the first step in healing the former GOP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Beretta304, stop it.

Let's worry about the GOP, and leave the dems to themselves.

We have enough work fixing ourselves without bothering the party that won the WH and increased their senate lead and added to Dems in the House.

Watch beretta304 talk stupidly about RW below.

 

[beretta304]

When the going gets tough...

The sackless run away

Then you must be exhausted.



Actress Stacey Dash Endorses Romney, Nastiness Ensues On Twitter


Actress Stacey Dash, of "Clueless" fame, had the courage to come out and endorse Mitt Romney. Not an easy thing to do, considering her profession. She posted on her Twitter account:



“Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future. @mittromney @teamromney #mittromney #VOTE #voteromney”


This enraged many of her fans and Twitter followers who started with a barrage of nasty comments, including offensive racial epithets. Like Barack Obama Dash is bi-racial. From News Busters, here is some of the nastiness coming from the oh-so-tolerant, liberal Obama supporters.


"Kill yaself you old hag,” tweeted someone named Briggs Marley. His sentiments were echoed by several other bastions of tolerance.
Another genius calling himself Sherrick W. denounced Dash as “an indoor slave.” He was replying back to someone named @HelloItsBeyonce who had also used racial slurs to attack the actress: “You ready to head back to the fields, jiggaboo?” the person had said, using an offensive racial slur referring to dark-skinned black Americans. Someone calling herself @ASvpFeefa blasted Dash using another racial slur: “TYPICAL OREO .. Voting for a white devil. #SICK”

So far...you lose
I referenced major players and policies pushed by Republicans which cost them contituencies in the 2012 election

You counter with some anonymous internet quotes that had no impact on the election

Try to keep up...will ya?

Then you wonder why I refuse to waste time on you. "You lose"? That's an adult on a messageboard???


Tell me what does anyone here win? When are we supposed to "win" anything?

Run along, Skippy and annoy someone else and on your way out call me a few choice names and close the door as well.

 

[NoNukes]

You may see consecutive Democratic administrations. Especially if Hillary runs.

Hillary may seem like the obvious choice right now. But I don't think she will be around in 2016.

Hillary seems to be burned out in politics. Running for President takes alot of energy, especially in a wide open field

As she gets older, Hillary is also getting more skanky looking. It is not fair, but I think women are held to a different standard of personal appearance than men. In the last year, she has looked more frumpy in her face, hair and dress. I don't think the next four years will be kind to her

I believe that she is stepping down as Secretary of State to rest and prepare for a run for the White House. I recently had dinner with a friend of works in the State Department and knows Hillary and he is sure that she will run.

 

[beretta304]

This should cover a few:

You know how to annoy a left wing loon? Post a thread that they will deem irrelevant and then watch them all reply to it numerous times.

 

[Mac1958]

Beretta304, stop it.

Let's worry about the GOP, and leave the dems to themselves.

We have enough work fixing ourselves without bothering the party that won the WH and increased their senate lead and added to Dems in the House.

Bravo.

I can't speak for Beretta, but there are many within the party who are absolutely convinced that there is nothing to "fix". That's your challenge going forward.

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[g5000]

Hillary Clinton is not going to run. She's done. A Hillary comeback is wishful thinking.

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[NoNukes]

When the going gets tough...

The sackless run away

Then you must be exhausted.



Actress Stacey Dash Endorses Romney, Nastiness Ensues On Twitter


Actress Stacey Dash, of "Clueless" fame, had the courage to come out and endorse Mitt Romney. Not an easy thing to do, considering her profession. She posted on her Twitter account:



“Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future. @mittromney @teamromney #mittromney #VOTE #voteromney”


This enraged many of her fans and Twitter followers who started with a barrage of nasty comments, including offensive racial epithets. Like Barack Obama Dash is bi-racial. From News Busters, here is some of the nastiness coming from the oh-so-tolerant, liberal Obama supporters.


"Kill yaself you old hag,” tweeted someone named Briggs Marley. His sentiments were echoed by several other bastions of tolerance.
Another genius calling himself Sherrick W. denounced Dash as “an indoor slave.” He was replying back to someone named @HelloItsBeyonce who had also used racial slurs to attack the actress: “You ready to head back to the fields, jiggaboo?” the person had said, using an offensive racial slur referring to dark-skinned black Americans. Someone calling herself @ASvpFeefa blasted Dash using another racial slur: “TYPICAL OREO .. Voting for a white devil. #SICK”

So far...you lose

I referenced major players and policies pushed by Republicans which cost them contituencies in the 2012 election

You counter with some anonymous internet quotes that had no impact on the election

Try to keep up...will ya?

He is incapable of keeping up with you, as you see from his reply to this post.

 

[rightwinger]

Then you must be exhausted.



Actress Stacey Dash Endorses Romney, Nastiness Ensues On Twitter


Actress Stacey Dash, of "Clueless" fame, had the courage to come out and endorse Mitt Romney. Not an easy thing to do, considering her profession. She posted on her Twitter account:



“Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future. @mittromney @teamromney #mittromney #VOTE #voteromney”


This enraged many of her fans and Twitter followers who started with a barrage of nasty comments, including offensive racial epithets. Like Barack Obama Dash is bi-racial. From News Busters, here is some of the nastiness coming from the oh-so-tolerant, liberal Obama supporters.


"Kill yaself you old hag,” tweeted someone named Briggs Marley. His sentiments were echoed by several other bastions of tolerance.
Another genius calling himself Sherrick W. denounced Dash as “an indoor slave.” He was replying back to someone named @HelloItsBeyonce who had also used racial slurs to attack the actress: “You ready to head back to the fields, jiggaboo?” the person had said, using an offensive racial slur referring to dark-skinned black Americans. Someone calling herself @ASvpFeefa blasted Dash using another racial slur: “TYPICAL OREO .. Voting for a white devil. #SICK”

So far...you lose
I referenced major players and policies pushed by Republicans which cost them contituencies in the 2012 election

You counter with some anonymous internet quotes that had no impact on the election

Try to keep up...will ya?

Then you wonder why I refuse to waste time on you. "You lose"? That's an adult on a messageboard???


Tell me what does anyone here win? When are we supposed to "win" anything?

Run along, Skippy and annoy someone else and on your way out call me a few choice names and close the door as well.

I'm discussing major policies and major players making dumb statements that cost the GOP votes across the board and you counter with anonymous internet quotes about a little known actress

"See...Democrats do it too"

Sorry pal....you lose

 

[rightwinger]

You may see consecutive Democratic administrations. Especially if Hillary runs.

Hillary may seem like the obvious choice right now. But I don't think she will be around in 2016.

Hillary seems to be burned out in politics. Running for President takes alot of energy, especially in a wide open field

As she gets older, Hillary is also getting more skanky looking. It is not fair, but I think women are held to a different standard of personal appearance than men. In the last year, she has looked more frumpy in her face, hair and dress. I don't think the next four years will be kind to her

I believe that she is stepping down as Secretary of State to rest and prepare for a run for the White House. I recently had dinner with a friend of works in the State Department and knows Hillary and he is sure that she will run.

Lets see

I'd like to see Hillary run and think she would make a great President

 

[beretta304]

Then you must be exhausted.



Actress Stacey Dash Endorses Romney, Nastiness Ensues On Twitter


Actress Stacey Dash, of "Clueless" fame, had the courage to come out and endorse Mitt Romney. Not an easy thing to do, considering her profession. She posted on her Twitter account:



“Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future. @mittromney @teamromney #mittromney #VOTE #voteromney”


This enraged many of her fans and Twitter followers who started with a barrage of nasty comments, including offensive racial epithets. Like Barack Obama Dash is bi-racial. From News Busters, here is some of the nastiness coming from the oh-so-tolerant, liberal Obama supporters.


"Kill yaself you old hag,” tweeted someone named Briggs Marley. His sentiments were echoed by several other bastions of tolerance.
Another genius calling himself Sherrick W. denounced Dash as “an indoor slave.” He was replying back to someone named @HelloItsBeyonce who had also used racial slurs to attack the actress: “You ready to head back to the fields, jiggaboo?” the person had said, using an offensive racial slur referring to dark-skinned black Americans. Someone calling herself @ASvpFeefa blasted Dash using another racial slur: “TYPICAL OREO .. Voting for a white devil. #SICK”

So far...you lose

I referenced major players and policies pushed by Republicans which cost them contituencies in the 2012 election

You counter with some anonymous internet quotes that had no impact on the election

Try to keep up...will ya?

He is incapable of keeping up with you, as you see from his reply to this post.

And because you put your 2 cents in on an issue that rightwinger and I have had some some time, you're an expert to be taken seriously. Get lost, clown.