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The only fix jake thinks, and probably you is to become democrats, no way I would rather lose elections then to belittle the party. Besides, what really changed after the election? Rs still control the house and the dems have control of the Senate without a filibuster majority. Nothing changed no reason to become as them.
We can go back and forth about where the GOP should stand on the issues, but I'd think the first thing that should be examined is the way the message is being delivered. We have some in the GOP screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie" at every opportunity, others making absurd and unnecessary comments about rape and pregnancy, others essentially ignoring the burgeoning minority vote, and still others shoving "pledges" into the faces of their representatives, threatening to "primary" them if they are so crazy and un-American as to actually work with the other side.
As was said earlier, the GOP is making it too easy for the Dems to paint them as crazies, and that's even before we get deep into the issues.
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WHO, WHO in the Republcian party is screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie?" Not some internet bloggers but someone actually working for or in the Republican party.
No, the only thing that will satisfy some is that Republican become as democrats, to that I say "nuts."
We can go back and forth about where the GOP should stand on the issues, but I'd think the first thing that should be examined is the way the message is being delivered. We have some in the GOP screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie" at every opportunity, others making absurd and unnecessary comments about rape and pregnancy, others essentially ignoring the burgeoning minority vote, and still others shoving "pledges" into the faces of their representatives, threatening to "primary" them if they are so crazy and un-American as to actually work with the other side.
As was said earlier, the GOP is making it too easy for the Dems to paint them as crazies, and that's even before we get deep into the issues.
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WHO, WHO in the Republcian party is screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie?" Not some internet bloggers but someone actually working for or in the Republican party.
No, the only thing that will satisfy some is that Republican become as democrats, to that I say "nuts."
What the hell difference does it make if a crazy is "actually working for or in the Republican party"? Holy crap, pretty much all of the radio talk show hosts say it, pundits say it, blogger say it, writers say it.
Politics is about IMAGE, whether we like it or not. And right now, the GOP brand is broken. The party can ignore and divert, but that's why they couldn't beat a President who's sitting on an 8% unemployment rate. No excuse for that.
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We can go back and forth about where the GOP should stand on the issues, but I'd think the first thing that should be examined is the way the message is being delivered. We have some in the GOP screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie" at every opportunity, others making absurd and unnecessary comments about rape and pregnancy, others essentially ignoring the burgeoning minority vote, and still others shoving "pledges" into the faces of their representatives, threatening to "primary" them if they are so crazy and un-American as to actually work with the other side.
As was said earlier, the GOP is making it too easy for the Dems to paint them as crazies, and that's even before we get deep into the issues.
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WHO, WHO in the Republcian party is screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie?" Not some internet bloggers but someone actually working for or in the Republican party.
No, the only thing that will satisfy some is that Republican become as democrats, to that I say "nuts."
What the hell difference does it make if a crazy is "actually working for or in the Republican party"? Holy crap, pretty much all of the radio talk show hosts say it, pundits say it, blogger say it, writers say it.
Politics is about IMAGE, whether we like it or not. And right now, the GOP brand is broken. The party can ignore and divert, but that's why they couldn't beat a President who's sitting on an 8% unemployment rate. No excuse for that.
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The GOP is in disarray and will be for a while, until we stomp down the far right weirdos. Once that is done, we will going to looking for candidates the caliber of Jon Huntsman.
its kind of funny, though... they're like the black knight of the political world.
"i'll fight you with no arms"....
"come back here and i'll bite your bleeding leg off"
It's just a flesh wound!
We can go back and forth about where the GOP should stand on the issues, but I'd think the first thing that should be examined is the way the message is being delivered. We have some in the GOP screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie" at every opportunity, others making absurd and unnecessary comments about rape and pregnancy, others essentially ignoring the burgeoning minority vote, and still others shoving "pledges" into the faces of their representatives, threatening to "primary" them if they are so crazy and un-American as to actually work with the other side.
As was said earlier, the GOP is making it too easy for the Dems to paint them as crazies, and that's even before we get deep into the issues.
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WHO, WHO in the Republcian party is screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie?" Not some internet bloggers but someone actually working for or in the Republican party.
No, the only thing that will satisfy some is that Republican become as democrats, to that I say "nuts."
Rep Allen West
Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists - The Washington Post
When a questioner asked West about Marxists in the American legislature, some in the crowd jeered, but West took a different approach.
No, its a good question, he said, adding: I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party.
After a long pause, West adds that he is talking about the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a group of 76 of the more liberal Democrats in the U.S. House.
Bravo.
I can't speak for Beretta, but there are many within the party who are absolutely convinced that there is nothing to "fix". That's your challenge going forward.
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The only fix jake thinks, and probably you is to become democrats, no way I would rather lose elections then to belittle the party. Besides, what really changed after the election? Rs still control the house and the dems have control of the Senate without a filibuster majority. Nothing changed no reason to become as them.
We can go back and forth about where the GOP should stand on the issues, but I'd think the first thing that should be examined is the way the message is being delivered. We have some in the GOP screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie" at every opportunity, others making absurd and unnecessary comments about rape and pregnancy, others essentially ignoring the burgeoning minority vote, and still others shoving "pledges" into the faces of their representatives, threatening to "primary" them if they are so crazy and un-American as to actually work with the other side.
As was said earlier, the GOP is making it too easy for the Dems to paint them as crazies, and that's even before we get deep into the issues.
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The GOP is in disarray and will be for a while, until we stomp down the far right weirdos. Once that is done, we will going to looking for candidates the caliber of Jon Huntsman.
its kind of funny, though... they're like the black knight of the political world.
"i'll fight you with no arms"....
"come back here and i'll bite your bleeding leg off"
The only fix jake thinks, and probably you is to become democrats, no way I would rather lose elections then to belittle the party. Besides, what really changed after the election? Rs still control the house and the dems have control of the Senate without a filibuster majority. Nothing changed no reason to become as them.
We can go back and forth about where the GOP should stand on the issues, but I'd think the first thing that should be examined is the way the message is being delivered. We have some in the GOP screaming "Nazi socialist Marxist commie" at every opportunity, others making absurd and unnecessary comments about rape and pregnancy, others essentially ignoring the burgeoning minority vote, and still others shoving "pledges" into the faces of their representatives, threatening to "primary" them if they are so crazy and un-American as to actually work with the other side.
As was said earlier, the GOP is making it too easy for the Dems to paint them as crazies, and that's even before we get deep into the issues.
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But Mac, what if they really are just crazy now and it's not the delivery of the message, but the message itself, which is the problem?
Interesting Stat:
Democrats lost about >1% of their registered voters to independent registration.
Republicans lost 7% of their registered voters to independent registration.
Considering that the election was decided by less than 5%, 7% of your voting electorate is a big dent. Obviously it wouldn't correlate a win, however Romehh would have had a much better chance had these people stayed.
The right is overflowing with people who keep returning to the same well of piss over and over and over. They never get mad at the hypocrites who lie to them. This is some kind of weird idol worship going on.
Obama's death panels, Obama creating a web site to give gifts to immigrants, Obama watching from a drone as Ambassador Stevens was killed. A never ending stream of lies from the same sources time and time and time again.
As long as the false idols say bad things about the other false idol Obama, then whatever those idols say must be right and honest and true. Even after being shown countless times the idols are lying and being hypocritical, the worshippers STILL return to the piss well.
They can no longer tell what is true or false any more. If it is what they want to believe and what they want to hear, it is true for them.
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"I never had sex with that woman"!
The centrists and independents turned their back on Romney, for a number of reasons, but certainly against the loons and crazies of our far right.
When the crazees write "Kenyan Marxist Nazi Socialist Marxist Democrat" hell messages, 97% of America thinks, "That's crazy."
In one of the nastiest put-downs I’ve seen, a condescending Obama tells Hillary she’s “likable enough.” This is the same man who later cracked a joke that quite obviously called his female political opponent a pig. Generally, Obama doesn’t seem comfortable around women. In the White House, he’s subservient to them; on the road, condescending.
Maxine Waters states her devout wish that the Tea Party go “straight to Hell.”
Barack Obama thinks highly of ordinary Americans and the way they respond to economic hard times: “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Despite their secularism, Democrats aren’t above citing God when it suits them. Jennifer Granholm, for example, looking at the weather system heading towards Florida, tweets “R convention delay due to Isaac: I guess God has ways to shut that whole thing down.”
When it comes to mean (and profoundly racist), no one beats the Democrats’ own Rep. Pete Stark:
In August 1990, Stark drew controversy for calling Health and Human Services Secretary Louis Wade Sullivan, an African American, “a disgrace to his race” for supporting Bush Administration policies that Stark called “bankrupt and damaging to minority members.” Stark was criticizing Sullivan’s opposition to proposals for federally sponsored national health insurance when Stark had introduced legislation for national health insurance at the time, and said that Sullivan had been influenced by George H. W. Bush administration officials such as Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman and White House Chief of Staff John H. Sununu to change his positions on both abortion and health care. Sullivan angrily retorted, “I don’t live on Pete Stark’s plantation”, and replied in a statement, saying in part, “I guess I should feel ashamed because Congressman Stark thinks I am not a ‘good Negro.’ As a Cabinet member who has spent almost four decades of my life dedicated to healing,… am unable to express my own views without being subject to race-based criticism by those who are not ready to accept independent thinking by a black man.” Stark later apologized for the controversy.
In May 2004, Stark responded to a constituent Army National Guard member’s letter critical of Stark’s recent vote on the war in Iraq by immediately calling the service member’s telephone and leaving a feisty response on voicemail which was later broadcast on San Francisco’s talk radio station KSFO. Stark’s harsh voicemail was transcribed as follows:
Dan, this is Congressman Pete Stark, and I just got your fax. And you don’t know what you’re talking about. So if you care about enlisted people, you wouldn’t have voted for that thing either. But probably somebody put you up to this, and I’m not sure who it was, but I doubt if you could spell half the words in the letter, and somebody wrote it for you. So I don’t pay much attention to it. But I’ll call you back later and let you tell me more about why you think you’re such a great goddamn hero and why you think that this generals [sic] and the Defense Department, who forced these poor enlisted guys to do what they did, shouldn’t be held to account. That’s the issue. So if you want to stick it to a bunch of enlisted guys, have your way. But if you want to get to the bottom of people who forced this awful program in Iraq, then you should understand more about it than you obviously do. Thanks.
On October 18, 2007, Stark made the following comments on the House floor during a debate with Congressman Joe Barton of Texas: “Republicans sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you’re telling us today? Is that how you’re going to fund the war? You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.” Following the initial criticism to his statements, when asked by a radio station if he would take back any of his statements, Stark responded “Absolutely not. I may have dishonored the Commander-in-Chief, but I think he’s done pretty well to dishonor himself without any help from me.”[35] The same day, his office also issued a press release, saying in part, “I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best. But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms [sic] way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care.” Five days later on October 23, after the House voted down a censure resolution against Stark sponsored by Minority Leader John Boehner, he said, “I apologize for this reason: I think we have serious issues before us, the issue of providing medical care to children, the issue about what we’re going to do about a war that we’re divided about how to end.”
Other controversies include singling out “Jewish colleagues” for blame for the Persian Gulf War and referring to Congressman Stephen Solarz of New York (who co-sponsored the Gulf War Authorization Act) as “Field Marshal Solarz in the pro-Israel forces.” in 1991.[38] In 1995, during a private meeting with Congresswoman Nancy Johnson of Connecticut, he called Johnson a “whore for the insurance industry” and suggested that her knowledge of health care came solely from “pillow talk” with her husband, a physician. His press secretary, Caleb Marshall, defended him in saying, “He didn’t call her a ‘whore,’ he called her a ‘whore of the insurance industry.’”[38] In a 2001 Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health hearing on abstinence promotion, he referred to Congressman J. C. Watts of Oklahoma as “the current Republican Conference Chairman, whose children were all born out of wedlock.”[38] In 2003, when Stark was told to “shut up” by Congressman Scott McInnis of Colorado during a Ways and Means Committee meeting due to Stark’s belittling of the chairman, Bill Thomas of California, he replied, “You think you are big enough to make me, you little wimp? Come on. Come over here and make me, I dare you. You little fruitcake.”
In an older video taped interview with Jan Helfeld concerning the size of the national debt, Stark stated that the size of the national debt is a reflection of the nation’s wealth. When pressed if the nation should take on more debt in order to have more wealth, Stark threatened Helfeld and said, “You get the fuck out of here or I’ll throw you out the window.”
On August 27, 2009, Stark suggested that his moderate Democratic colleagues were “brain dead” for proposing changes to the health care reform bill being considered by Congress. Saying that they “just want to cause trouble,” Stark claimed, “they’re for the most part, I hate to say, brain dead, but they’re just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process” during a conference call.
The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized on Stark, “Only a politician who assumes he has a job for life could behave so badly on a semi-regular basis by spewing personalized invective that might get him punched in certain East Bay taverns. Would-be challengers sometimes sense a whiff of opportunity, but the reality of taking on a 16-term Democrat in solidly liberal terrain is nothing short of daunting. Surely there must be someone along the shoreline between Alameda and Fremont who could represent the good citizens of the district with class and dignity. It’s not the case now.”
During a town hall meeting, a constituent who opposed Barack Obama’s health care plan told Stark, “Mr. Congressman, don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” Stark responded with, “I wouldn’t dignify you by peeing on your leg. It wouldn’t be worth wasting the urine.”
OK...lets discuss
Which voting block was outraged by any of these "nasty" comments?
What impact, if any, did these comments have on the 2012 election?
I say none
No, no, no...wrong. You wanted examples I gave them. As I said earlier, I have no desire to discuss anything with you.
Now you show that juvenile temper of yours and how understanding and respectful you are of other's wishes and call me sackless again because I won't confrom to what you want me to do.
...so Republicans apparently needing to be more cheerful means the Democrats are in trouble... because?
Interesting Stat:
Democrats lost about >1% of their registered voters to independent registration.
Republicans lost 7% of their registered voters to independent registration.
Considering that the election was decided by less than 5%, 7% of your voting electorate is a big dent. Obviously it wouldn't correlate a win, however Romehh would have had a much better chance had these people stayed.
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If I'm reading this correctly, the writer is saying (1) it's okay that we lost, the other guys will screw up anyway, and (2) we don't need to change anything, the electorate will like us more next time. I'm inferring, of course.
Yikes. Don't know if that's a great strategy.
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Gad, read, what the author is saying is that LBJ won in a landslide, four years later did not run because he mucked it up. What is going to happen four years from now when nothing is better and Obamatax has taken full force?
Myself, I think nothing will change.
We'll see whether James Carville's and Stan Greenberg's words from a Democracy Corps survey stand up better than the consensus of November 1965, following the Lyndon Johnson-led slaughter of almost every Republican downwind from Barry Goldwater. Johnson, father of the Great Society, was all but run out of Washington on a rail after mucking up the Vietnam War.
