Why Conservatives hate education

[beautress]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

TRANSLATION

Education forces children to look at the Progressive point of view, that the Founding Fathers were slave owners, committed genocide to the American Indian, and therefore, should be replaced with Karl Marx because the Constitution must then be crap. No need to mention how the Founding Fathers rightly feared democracy and mob rule. In fact, let's falsely reiterate time and time and time again in class how the US is a Democracy, when in fact, it is a Republic. Then ignore how the Progressives seek to do such things as do away with the Electoral College to turn more and more to a pure democracy and mob rule. Ignore how Progressives have centralized government to the point that the Federal government now has ultimate control over the states, something the Founders feared would happen as they chose the model of Federalism instead and gave the Federal government limited powers. And NEVER teach children about the Fifth Amendment, which gives states the right to amend the Constitution instead of the Federal government. It has never been done and must never be done to curb the power and influence of the Federal government. And when people refer to it, just call it crazy and say if they try we will end up losing all our rights if we let them. Then point to the racism against the black man that once was used to justify the slavery of blacks, while ignoring the fact that these same white folks turned against it all because of the very Constitution that Progressives disdain. Yes, the racist white man was divided on the issue and fought his brother to the death to do away with it. But how could this be?

While we are at it, let us completely ignore the history of how all centralized governments devolve into war provoking dictatorships and how socialism/communism contributed to this. To start, the NAZI regime will not be referred to as socialists, even though they self identified as such and adhered to socialist policies, hated capitalism, and heavily taxed the top 4%. Let's ignore the fact that the Nazi regime was more concerned about the environment and animal rights than human beings they targeted through identity politics to destroy, like the unborn children of today. Yes, let's refer to the Nazi regime as a right wing hate group because they are fascist and fascist now means right wing cuz we say so. Funny how the Foundering Fathers were not fascists yet they are put in the same arena as the Jew hating fascists of the right today. Yep, communist left, Nazi to the right even though both communist and Nazi regimes were socialist and collectivist utopias.

Let's continue to use class time to pull children from the class room and drag them out into the streets to protest gun rights, instead of teaching them about the Second Amendment and gun rights in the class room. Never mind that the Founding Fathers favored gun rights, even Gandhi favored gun rights, as all fascist and communist regimes in history sought to take guns away from the populace. Ignore the fact that Obama and Holder ran guns across the border to give to drug cartels, which ended up in zero arrests and many, many, innocent murders, while in the same breath touting the need to take guns from law abiding Americans. Then act as though the Trump regime is criminal while Eric Holder was the only AG in US history to be held in contempt of Congress over the gun running scheme.

Let's strip morality from the class rooms and wonder why children bring guns into the class room to shoot the place up, turn to drugs, and watch in horror as amoral human beings are empowered via education to wreak havoc upon society in various ways.

Then to finish them all off, let's tell children that science is better than religion. Let's tell them that history shows that the church attacked science, burned scientists at the stake for their findings, and believe in fables that contradict science while ignoring the fact that this all occurred under oppressive centralized governments, which was the true culprit. Fables such as the Garden of Eden should be ridiculed because we all know that our origins are in evolution, after all, science tells us this. Yes, ignore the story of a man and a woman told not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because they will surely die if they do. Now why do you suppose that the tree was called the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Could it be that the message here is, knowledge without wisdom brings death? Could it be that science, not the Bible, is at the heart of all our ills today? Could they be as blind not to see that such issues as global warming, the threat of WMD's, over population, non-reproducing vegetation that is slowly overtaking those that reproduce naturally, AI and all it's future threats, are because of having knowledge without wisdom? Why is such knowledge stands on the verge of destroying all of mankind while religion continues to be blamed?

Well to hell with them all!! Promote abortion to limit their numbers, run wreak less deficits so that future generations have no real future at all, and then medicate them by legalizing as many illicit drugs as humanly possible, while allowing them to continue to flow into the country that has no border security.

I can understand being frightened of the future but who are we to decide what knowledge our descendants will need and what will be superfluous long after we are dead? In the end all you can do is to give them the broadest view of the world possible and hope they will make the right choices. One thing is certain: the pace of change is accelerating and educating Americans to find change a bewildering overwhelming process is grave disservice.

I would say that the most grave of disservice is to empower amoral children with knowledge and then blame religion for all our ills.

Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is an extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.

Quote: Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is an extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.​

Scientists everywhere teach that human life begins at fusion of the female gamete to the male one. Science and religion sources differ, because while modern science wisdom relies on what one can see that is human, under the microscope, as knowledge, and the religious sources rely on scriptures quoting the wisest people in antiquity whose intelligence relied on paying attention to traditionally human people and what brings life about from both body and spiritual matters they are familiar with. Isn't it peculiar how both scientists and believers in God came to the same knowledge of when life starts! Yet, you paint the picture as though modern man invented the wheel of life, because you politically hate the religious right and smear them every single small chance you get to sling mud on anyone else.

 

[harmonica]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

as usual on USMB--YOU are the dumbass
you provide no links/evidence for your DUMBASS OP
here--Obama's people are less educated:

 

[occupied]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

TRANSLATION

Education forces children to look at the Progressive point of view, that the Founding Fathers were slave owners, committed genocide to the American Indian, and therefore, should be replaced with Karl Marx because the Constitution must then be crap. No need to mention how the Founding Fathers rightly feared democracy and mob rule. In fact, let's falsely reiterate time and time and time again in class how the US is a Democracy, when in fact, it is a Republic. Then ignore how the Progressives seek to do such things as do away with the Electoral College to turn more and more to a pure democracy and mob rule. Ignore how Progressives have centralized government to the point that the Federal government now has ultimate control over the states, something the Founders feared would happen as they chose the model of Federalism instead and gave the Federal government limited powers. And NEVER teach children about the Fifth Amendment, which gives states the right to amend the Constitution instead of the Federal government. It has never been done and must never be done to curb the power and influence of the Federal government. And when people refer to it, just call it crazy and say if they try we will end up losing all our rights if we let them. Then point to the racism against the black man that once was used to justify the slavery of blacks, while ignoring the fact that these same white folks turned against it all because of the very Constitution that Progressives disdain. Yes, the racist white man was divided on the issue and fought his brother to the death to do away with it. But how could this be?

While we are at it, let us completely ignore the history of how all centralized governments devolve into war provoking dictatorships and how socialism/communism contributed to this. To start, the NAZI regime will not be referred to as socialists, even though they self identified as such and adhered to socialist policies, hated capitalism, and heavily taxed the top 4%. Let's ignore the fact that the Nazi regime was more concerned about the environment and animal rights than human beings they targeted through identity politics to destroy, like the unborn children of today. Yes, let's refer to the Nazi regime as a right wing hate group because they are fascist and fascist now means right wing cuz we say so. Funny how the Foundering Fathers were not fascists yet they are put in the same arena as the Jew hating fascists of the right today. Yep, communist left, Nazi to the right even though both communist and Nazi regimes were socialist and collectivist utopias.

Let's continue to use class time to pull children from the class room and drag them out into the streets to protest gun rights, instead of teaching them about the Second Amendment and gun rights in the class room. Never mind that the Founding Fathers favored gun rights, even Gandhi favored gun rights, as all fascist and communist regimes in history sought to take guns away from the populace. Ignore the fact that Obama and Holder ran guns across the border to give to drug cartels, which ended up in zero arrests and many, many, innocent murders, while in the same breath touting the need to take guns from law abiding Americans. Then act as though the Trump regime is criminal while Eric Holder was the only AG in US history to be held in contempt of Congress over the gun running scheme.

Let's strip morality from the class rooms and wonder why children bring guns into the class room to shoot the place up, turn to drugs, and watch in horror as amoral human beings are empowered via education to wreak havoc upon society in various ways.

Then to finish them all off, let's tell children that science is better than religion. Let's tell them that history shows that the church attacked science, burned scientists at the stake for their findings, and believe in fables that contradict science while ignoring the fact that this all occurred under oppressive centralized governments, which was the true culprit. Fables such as the Garden of Eden should be ridiculed because we all know that our origins are in evolution, after all, science tells us this. Yes, ignore the story of a man and a woman told not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because they will surely die if they do. Now why do you suppose that the tree was called the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Could it be that the message here is, knowledge without wisdom brings death? Could it be that science, not the Bible, is at the heart of all our ills today? Could they be as blind not to see that such issues as global warming, the threat of WMD's, over population, non-reproducing vegetation that is slowly overtaking those that reproduce naturally, AI and all it's future threats, are because of having knowledge without wisdom? Why is such knowledge stands on the verge of destroying all of mankind while religion continues to be blamed?

Well to hell with them all!! Promote abortion to limit their numbers, run wreak less deficits so that future generations have no real future at all, and then medicate them by legalizing as many illicit drugs as humanly possible, while allowing them to continue to flow into the country that has no border security.

I can understand being frightened of the future but who are we to decide what knowledge our descendants will need and what will be superfluous long after we are dead? In the end all you can do is to give them the broadest view of the world possible and hope they will make the right choices. One thing is certain: the pace of change is accelerating and educating Americans to find change a bewildering overwhelming process is grave disservice.

I would say that the most grave of disservice is to empower amoral children with knowledge and then blame religion for all our ills.

Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is an extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.

Quote: Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is an extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.​

Scientists everywhere teach that human life begins at fusion of the female gamete to the male one. Science and religion sources differ, because while modern science wisdom relies on what one can see that is human, under the microscope, as knowledge, and the religious sources rely on scriptures quoting the wisest people in antiquity whose intelligence relied on paying attention to traditionally human people and what brings life about from both body and spiritual matters they are familiar with. Isn't it peculiar how both scientists and believers in God came to the same knowledge of when life starts! Yet, you paint the picture as though modern man invented the wheel of life, because you politically hate the religious right and smear them every single small chance you get to sling mud on anyone else.

Religion has more often failed when they try to be the moral compass of humanity. It has also often been on the wrong side of history when society changes what it finds acceptable. If you like organized religion so much quit running around demonizing "heretics". Religious orthodoxy is a handicap in a changing world but simply doing right never goes out of style.

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats elected Cortez, top that for stupidity you can't

Yes, we know that she terrifies conservative republican males.

Yet another lie. Seems like most of your posts are fabricated lies, here have a bunch of these

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats elected Cortez, top that for stupidity you can't

Yes, we know that she terrifies conservative republican males.

She should terrify all Americans with an IQ above a box of rocks ....


.

Rocks have a purpose, she doesn't.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Total false narrative. Many, if not most, conservatives are very well educated, and respect, and promote education. However, our Educational System K through University has been hijacked by Far Left Progressive radicals. Most of us had to hold our nose, and take the attempted indoctrination to attain the undergrad and grad degrees we wanted for our careers. I witnessed it personally. The leftist bias was obvious, and OPPRESSIVE. Neither tolerant nor "inclusive".

Conservatives like money, and success. The only way to get that is through education.

Let me say that I'm not on either side of the argument. Just want an honest answer here:

If conservatives are so well educated, how is it they continue to adopt the left's socialism and work harder to legislate it than the left does? Adding insult to injury, conservatives end up doing the bidding of the left and are more fanatical in the promotion of bad ideas... even when it's being pointed out to them.

Conservatives? Who are these "conservatives"?

You have someone run with an "R" by their name and say they are for a single conservative idea and they are proclaimed conservative.

Reminds me of a scene in the comedy "Naked Gun".

You have an opera singer tied up an gagged as he was due to sing the national anthem at a baseball game. Some other guy assumed his identity and went out to sing horribly with his name plastered down below as he sung. He is watching all this on TV as all he can do is bang his head against the wall as his reputation is shattered.

How many liberal points must a conservative believe in before they are deemed to be a liberal?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Let me say that I'm not on either side of the argument. Just want an honest answer here:

If conservatives are so well educated, how is it they continue to adopt the left's socialism and work harder to legislate it than the left does? Adding insult to injury, conservatives end up doing the bidding of the left and are more fanatical in the promotion of bad ideas... even when it's being pointed out to them.

Well there are "conservatives" and then there is the Republican, GOP Establishment which runs the Party, and most of their members in the legislatures. The Republican Establishment are very similar to the Democrats who want bigger government, large budgets, and are ok with higher tax rates, and more taxes overall. The bigger the government, the bigger the piece of the pie each politician can get. All self serving.

On the most important issues, you just described the Tea Party Republicans - If you disagree with them on the size, power and / or scope of government then they deem you to be a liberal... while they are advocating for the bigger and more intrusive government.

 

[Indeependent]

Is that why slums are 99.999999% Democrat?

 

[hadit]

White Christianity brought the world out of the misery of the Stone Age

Progress comes from the wise white males

Educators today covers up science and will become big losers

Abortion is a prime example how educators lies on science

Funny how death is measured by medical doctors when a heart stops, but life does not begin when a heart starts beating.

Funny that.

Funny, how hearts are restarted all the time. Death is brain death.

Yet when the brain is clearly active, life isn't started?

 

[hadit]

White Christianity brought the world out of the misery of the Stone Age

Progress comes from the wise white males

Educators today covers up science and will become big losers

Abortion is a prime example how educators lies on science

Funny how death is measured by medical doctors when a heart stops, but life does not begin when a heart starts beating.

Funny that.

Funny, how hearts are restarted all the time. Death is brain death.

A fetus is brain dead? Funny that.

I don't know of anyone who had "the plug" pulled from their life support whose brain function was due to return.

Do you?

There are cases of people who have done exactly that.

 

[Votto]

TRANSLATION

Education forces children to look at the Progressive point of view, that the Founding Fathers were slave owners, committed genocide to the American Indian, and therefore, should be replaced with Karl Marx because the Constitution must then be crap. No need to mention how the Founding Fathers rightly feared democracy and mob rule. In fact, let's falsely reiterate time and time and time again in class how the US is a Democracy, when in fact, it is a Republic. Then ignore how the Progressives seek to do such things as do away with the Electoral College to turn more and more to a pure democracy and mob rule. Ignore how Progressives have centralized government to the point that the Federal government now has ultimate control over the states, something the Founders feared would happen as they chose the model of Federalism instead and gave the Federal government limited powers. And NEVER teach children about the Fifth Amendment, which gives states the right to amend the Constitution instead of the Federal government. It has never been done and must never be done to curb the power and influence of the Federal government. And when people refer to it, just call it crazy and say if they try we will end up losing all our rights if we let them. Then point to the racism against the black man that once was used to justify the slavery of blacks, while ignoring the fact that these same white folks turned against it all because of the very Constitution that Progressives disdain. Yes, the racist white man was divided on the issue and fought his brother to the death to do away with it. But how could this be?

While we are at it, let us completely ignore the history of how all centralized governments devolve into war provoking dictatorships and how socialism/communism contributed to this. To start, the NAZI regime will not be referred to as socialists, even though they self identified as such and adhered to socialist policies, hated capitalism, and heavily taxed the top 4%. Let's ignore the fact that the Nazi regime was more concerned about the environment and animal rights than human beings they targeted through identity politics to destroy, like the unborn children of today. Yes, let's refer to the Nazi regime as a right wing hate group because they are fascist and fascist now means right wing cuz we say so. Funny how the Foundering Fathers were not fascists yet they are put in the same arena as the Jew hating fascists of the right today. Yep, communist left, Nazi to the right even though both communist and Nazi regimes were socialist and collectivist utopias.

Let's continue to use class time to pull children from the class room and drag them out into the streets to protest gun rights, instead of teaching them about the Second Amendment and gun rights in the class room. Never mind that the Founding Fathers favored gun rights, even Gandhi favored gun rights, as all fascist and communist regimes in history sought to take guns away from the populace. Ignore the fact that Obama and Holder ran guns across the border to give to drug cartels, which ended up in zero arrests and many, many, innocent murders, while in the same breath touting the need to take guns from law abiding Americans. Then act as though the Trump regime is criminal while Eric Holder was the only AG in US history to be held in contempt of Congress over the gun running scheme.

Let's strip morality from the class rooms and wonder why children bring guns into the class room to shoot the place up, turn to drugs, and watch in horror as amoral human beings are empowered via education to wreak havoc upon society in various ways.

Then to finish them all off, let's tell children that science is better than religion. Let's tell them that history shows that the church attacked science, burned scientists at the stake for their findings, and believe in fables that contradict science while ignoring the fact that this all occurred under oppressive centralized governments, which was the true culprit. Fables such as the Garden of Eden should be ridiculed because we all know that our origins are in evolution, after all, science tells us this. Yes, ignore the story of a man and a woman told not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because they will surely die if they do. Now why do you suppose that the tree was called the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Could it be that the message here is, knowledge without wisdom brings death? Could it be that science, not the Bible, is at the heart of all our ills today? Could they be as blind not to see that such issues as global warming, the threat of WMD's, over population, non-reproducing vegetation that is slowly overtaking those that reproduce naturally, AI and all it's future threats, are because of having knowledge without wisdom? Why is such knowledge stands on the verge of destroying all of mankind while religion continues to be blamed?

Well to hell with them all!! Promote abortion to limit their numbers, run wreak less deficits so that future generations have no real future at all, and then medicate them by legalizing as many illicit drugs as humanly possible, while allowing them to continue to flow into the country that has no border security.

I can understand being frightened of the future but who are we to decide what knowledge our descendants will need and what will be superfluous long after we are dead? In the end all you can do is to give them the broadest view of the world possible and hope they will make the right choices. One thing is certain: the pace of change is accelerating and educating Americans to find change a bewildering overwhelming process is grave disservice.

I would say that the most grave of disservice is to empower amoral children with knowledge and then blame religion for all our ills.

Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is a extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.

The Founding Fathers were horrified at how the Church of England controlled the pulpit in England. I'm sure they were equally as horrified as the history of Constantine adopting the Christian faith to conquer with and then subsequently setting up a state church that carried such injustices out as Inquisitions/Crusades, etc. Constantine was not even a Christian, he still worshiped the pagan gods, even though he was rumored to have converted on his death bed.

Christians I think learned long ago about the evil nature of politics and the state, and to avoid a theocracy. Christ even warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Unfortunately, Islam has never learned this lesson. In fact, their religion demands religion be combined with the state due to Sharia law.

No, I'm not an advocate of theocracy, even though I'm sure you can find a Christian or two who are. I am just a voice of warning, just as Christ was to us.

So how does one keep a moral society without mandating a state religion? The US did a pretty good job for a while, the best example that I can think of.

But alas, when the morality of society is that of a jail house, all one can do is build a wall around it and hire a warden. This I think is why Left wingers, who are fascists, want to destroy the moral fiber of society. They know that it can only lead to authoritarianism.

Morals do not guarantee an ethical society. Most people are generally decent without the mysticism and afterlife threats and rewards.

Decent? We have all broken the Golden Rule, so how many times before we become indecent?

 

[occupied]

I can understand being frightened of the future but who are we to decide what knowledge our descendants will need and what will be superfluous long after we are dead? In the end all you can do is to give them the broadest view of the world possible and hope they will make the right choices. One thing is certain: the pace of change is accelerating and educating Americans to find change a bewildering overwhelming process is grave disservice.

I would say that the most grave of disservice is to empower amoral children with knowledge and then blame religion for all our ills.

Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is a extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.

The Founding Fathers were horrified at how the Church of England controlled the pulpit in England. I'm sure they were equally as horrified as the history of Constantine adopting the Christian faith to conquer with and then subsequently setting up a state church that carried such injustices out as Inquisitions/Crusades, etc. Constantine was not even a Christian, he still worshiped the pagan gods, even though he was rumored to have converted on his death bed.

Christians I think learned long ago about the evil nature of politics and the state, and to avoid a theocracy. Christ even warned that his kingdom was not of this world, nor could be. Unfortunately, Islam has never learned this lesson. In fact, their religion demands religion be combined with the state due to Sharia law.

No, I'm not an advocate of theocracy, even though I'm sure you can find a Christian or two who are. I am just a voice of warning, just as Christ was to us.

So how does one keep a moral society without mandating a state religion? The US did a pretty good job for a while, the best example that I can think of.

But alas, when the morality of society is that of a jail house, all one can do is build a wall around it and hire a warden. This I think is why Left wingers, who are fascists, want to destroy the moral fiber of society. They know that it can only lead to authoritarianism.

Morals do not guarantee an ethical society. Most people are generally decent without the mysticism and afterlife threats and rewards.

Decent? We have all broken the Golden Rule, so how many times before we become indecent?

No one likes to think they are bad people but many people are pretty good at rationalizing their bullshit. The parable of the Samaritan is a useful lesson in moral ambiguity where many totally miss the point. The Samaritan who was an outcast was a far more decent person than the "respectable" Hebrews who passed by on the other side.

 

[bullwinkle]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

Is this about today's education or the sins of Richard Nixon, bill718? Or do you just want to post an unpleasant reminder of someone everyone disrespects to beat up on Republicans 47 years later about a different topic than corruption on another issue, not education?

That's not a good way to start an honest conversation on education. You think Conservatives are less educated than most? What about your current company? Some of us were top scholars in our college days and earned not only straight A report cards, some of us additionally spent our years in college doing charitable works too such as teaching seniors in nursing homes how to keep their muscles working through senior exercises, engaging in Walks for cancer cures and heart research (two top killers of American people) Foundations, which funds research to prevent and treat uterine cancers, heart diseases, contributing time to handicapped day care centers for parents who cannot find babysitters for their kids they have to pay hospital expenses for with both parents working, hospices, finding ways to fund blankets for squad cars to treat shock victims of terrible auto accidents, etc. (shock kills more people quickly than injuries do over a long stretch of time in roadside accidents) Back in the 80s, reports were coming out that volunteers in America (which many of us mean ol' Republicans did and still do) were often worth to communities more than 5 times minimum wages are.

So far, in your first two sentences, you have (1) brought up the false witness that conservatives might be less educated than you are, and (2) a US President who resigned because of charges against him for having picked a staff that broke into somebody's apartment illegally to get information and (3) A Woody Allen (accused of incest by an ex-wife) film about being a traitor, to make your sorry case. IOW your post starts off as just another DNC treatise to earn pathos instead of fact. Can you say self-fulfilling prophecy gone bad in one paragraph? Well, I can, because I got an A in communications and still remember the points in my textbook about crazymaker methods of persuasion over, not to mention using pathos about something else to make a winning argument not based on reality. I prefer facts, thankyouverymuch, because I know a weak case when I see one.

All that you have opened with is show the chary discerners of truth, that your case is so very week, you have to paint a falsetto picture that is quite irrelevant to any facts you may have stumbled upon to make a case in factuality.

The fact is this: conservatives value education so much that we are willing to battle people crossing the border bring children whose needs are so expensive education-wise (many of them have zero education but are 5th graders by age) that school districts have the choice of either doubling their budgets or setting aside American children's education to have their teachers devote 2/3 of their day communicating educational points to children who cannot speak English, cannot read, and cannot write because of indifidual state laws that ay say say schools have to keep kids together with other children their own age rather than to fail them and put them with younger children. Not every state requires this, but some do, and their burden to teach with aliens who compete for education dollars winds up with the aliens getting free college educations thanks to Democrats, while Americans have to reach down in their pockets, with border-induced higher tax rates than ever, and pay for the education of American citizens' children.

And you're telling me this lie that Conservatives do not value education because we're ignoramuses? If we are, then you are a jellyfish stinging an American child to death in the deep waters that your party's lies have created to drown American citizens in so they can jealously gain a few hundred thousand alien votes.

Exactly how stupid do your party's lies make your loyal opposition, pray tell?

Beautress, those were the days alright! Peace Corps and Vista programs that organized and channeled good intentions into actions. But the Republicans who gave so much to America, like civil rights...they're gone now. We are left with timid whimpering flunkies afraid of angst-fueled mobs who get an Adrenalin rush out of something imagined they can hate in good conscience.

There is nothing really unique about Peace Corps and Vista , bull. If they disappeared tomorrow, other good will outfits like Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity and Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing would still exist. It was never necessary for Big Government to horn in on the charity rackets.

Ah, Prince, they weren't 'charity' rackets. You've been a Trump fan too long if you think Trump or Pat Robertson aren't getting rich off their charities. The Peace Corps and Vista were a way of channeling American good will and can do into small achievable beneficial projects at home and abroad. Nobody got rich off working to bring clean water to remote places or teach hygiene or crop maintenance. And best of all, the teachers learned in the process. AND it took a government to organize the projects. Although I must admit that in my area the Methodist churches do a great deal for their communities...more than other sects.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Total false narrative. Many, if not most, conservatives are very well educated, and respect, and promote education. However, our Educational System K through University has been hijacked by Far Left Progressive radicals. Most of us had to hold our nose, and take the attempted indoctrination to attain the undergrad and grad degrees we wanted for our careers. I witnessed it personally. The leftist bias was obvious, and OPPRESSIVE. Neither tolerant nor "inclusive".

Conservatives like money, and success. The only way to get that is through education.

Let me say that I'm not on either side of the argument. Just want an honest answer here:

If conservatives are so well educated, how is it they continue to adopt the left's socialism and work harder to legislate it than the left does? Adding insult to injury, conservatives end up doing the bidding of the left and are more fanatical in the promotion of bad ideas... even when it's being pointed out to them.

Conservatives? Who are these "conservatives"?

You have someone run with an "R" by their name and say they are for a single conservative idea and they are proclaimed conservative.

Reminds me of a scene in the comedy "Naked Gun".

You have an opera singer tied up an gagged as he was due to sing the national anthem at a baseball game. Some other guy assumed his identity and went out to sing horribly with his name plastered down below as he sung. He is watching all this on TV as all he can do is bang his head against the wall as his reputation is shattered.

Wall? You didn't even watch the video, did you? ROFLMAO!

 

[Wyatt earp]

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Education forces children to look at the Progressive point of view, that the Founding Fathers were slave owners, committed genocide to the American Indian, and therefore, should be replaced with Karl Marx because the Constitution must then be crap. No need to mention how the Founding Fathers rightly feared democracy and mob rule. In fact, let's falsely reiterate time and time and time again in class how the US is a Democracy, when in fact, it is a Republic. Then ignore how the Progressives seek to do such things as do away with the Electoral College to turn more and more to a pure democracy and mob rule. Ignore how Progressives have centralized government to the point that the Federal government now has ultimate control over the states, something the Founders feared would happen as they chose the model of Federalism instead and gave the Federal government limited powers. And NEVER teach children about the Fifth Amendment, which gives states the right to amend the Constitution instead of the Federal government. It has never been done and must never be done to curb the power and influence of the Federal government. And when people refer to it, just call it crazy and say if they try we will end up losing all our rights if we let them. Then point to the racism against the black man that once was used to justify the slavery of blacks, while ignoring the fact that these same white folks turned against it all because of the very Constitution that Progressives disdain. Yes, the racist white man was divided on the issue and fought his brother to the death to do away with it. But how could this be?

While we are at it, let us completely ignore the history of how all centralized governments devolve into war provoking dictatorships and how socialism/communism contributed to this. To start, the NAZI regime will not be referred to as socialists, even though they self identified as such and adhered to socialist policies, hated capitalism, and heavily taxed the top 4%. Let's ignore the fact that the Nazi regime was more concerned about the environment and animal rights than human beings they targeted through identity politics to destroy, like the unborn children of today. Yes, let's refer to the Nazi regime as a right wing hate group because they are fascist and fascist now means right wing cuz we say so. Funny how the Foundering Fathers were not fascists yet they are put in the same arena as the Jew hating fascists of the right today. Yep, communist left, Nazi to the right even though both communist and Nazi regimes were socialist and collectivist utopias.

Let's continue to use class time to pull children from the class room and drag them out into the streets to protest gun rights, instead of teaching them about the Second Amendment and gun rights in the class room. Never mind that the Founding Fathers favored gun rights, even Gandhi favored gun rights, as all fascist and communist regimes in history sought to take guns away from the populace. Ignore the fact that Obama and Holder ran guns across the border to give to drug cartels, which ended up in zero arrests and many, many, innocent murders, while in the same breath touting the need to take guns from law abiding Americans. Then act as though the Trump regime is criminal while Eric Holder was the only AG in US history to be held in contempt of Congress over the gun running scheme.

Let's strip morality from the class rooms and wonder why children bring guns into the class room to shoot the place up, turn to drugs, and watch in horror as amoral human beings are empowered via education to wreak havoc upon society in various ways.

Then to finish them all off, let's tell children that science is better than religion. Let's tell them that history shows that the church attacked science, burned scientists at the stake for their findings, and believe in fables that contradict science while ignoring the fact that this all occurred under oppressive centralized governments, which was the true culprit. Fables such as the Garden of Eden should be ridiculed because we all know that our origins are in evolution, after all, science tells us this. Yes, ignore the story of a man and a woman told not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because they will surely die if they do. Now why do you suppose that the tree was called the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Could it be that the message here is, knowledge without wisdom brings death? Could it be that science, not the Bible, is at the heart of all our ills today? Could they be as blind not to see that such issues as global warming, the threat of WMD's, over population, non-reproducing vegetation that is slowly overtaking those that reproduce naturally, AI and all it's future threats, are because of having knowledge without wisdom? Why is such knowledge stands on the verge of destroying all of mankind while religion continues to be blamed?

Well to hell with them all!! Promote abortion to limit their numbers, run wreak less deficits so that future generations have no real future at all, and then medicate them by legalizing as many illicit drugs as humanly possible, while allowing them to continue to flow into the country that has no border security.

I can understand being frightened of the future but who are we to decide what knowledge our descendants will need and what will be superfluous long after we are dead? In the end all you can do is to give them the broadest view of the world possible and hope they will make the right choices. One thing is certain: the pace of change is accelerating and educating Americans to find change a bewildering overwhelming process is grave disservice.

I would say that the most grave of disservice is to empower amoral children with knowledge and then blame religion for all our ills.

Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is an extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.

Quote: Religious types exercising secular power are their own worst enemy. The ability to question everything and accept nothing is an extraordinarily valuable skill these days. If this means that people are less willing to accept things on faith alone what we know as religion is an acceptable loss.​

Scientists everywhere teach that human life begins at fusion of the female gamete to the male one. Science and religion sources differ, because while modern science wisdom relies on what one can see that is human, under the microscope, as knowledge, and the religious sources rely on scriptures quoting the wisest people in antiquity whose intelligence relied on paying attention to traditionally human people and what brings life about from both body and spiritual matters they are familiar with. Isn't it peculiar how both scientists and believers in God came to the same knowledge of when life starts! Yet, you paint the picture as though modern man invented the wheel of life, because you politically hate the religious right and smear them every single small chance you get to sling mud on anyone else.

Religion has more often failed when they try to be the moral compass of humanity. It has also often been on the wrong side of history when society changes what it finds acceptable. If you like organized religion so much quit running around demonizing "heretics". Religious orthodoxy is a handicap in a changing world but simply doing right never goes out of style.

what does organized religion have to do what is written in scripture???

just because the left wants to justify moral deviant behavior or murder does not make it so.



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[hadit]

Democrats elected Cortez, top that for stupidity you can't

Yes, we know that she terrifies conservative republican males.

There is no evidence of that. I believe you just made it up to cover for her obvious lack of intellectual rigor.

 

[Andylusion]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

To some extent, if being educated, means being at the same sub-human level of intelligence that you display on this forum... yeah... most people should be proud to be 'uneducated' compared to you.

 

[Dale Smith]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

billtard sez???? "Leftards love us! Why must you be so stubborn instead of suckling from the DNC teat???"

I would slit the throat of a commiecrat ( and with great gusto ) before I would ever tout one or cast a vote its way.

Where is that throat slitting key on your keyboard? You're too much of a pussy to do it any other way.

The same place on my keyboard where I could fill out the ballot to vote for a commiecrat, dipshit. Reading comprehension skills isn't one of your stronger attributes, eh?

BTW, I post my real pic and use my real name....total disclosure here...you? If anyone is the possessor of a vaginal cavity in this exchange, it would be you.

Hope this helps!

 

[Dale Smith]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

billtard sez???? "Leftards love us! Why must you be so stubborn instead of suckling from the DNC teat???"

I would slit the throat of a commiecrat ( and with great gusto ) before I would ever tout one or cast a vote its way.

Educated people laugh at the "concept" of chemtrails.

Thanks again for the segue, bannedecea. If you have one thing going for ya, it is your willingness to look ignorant....no fear in ya on that front.

 

[BULLDOG]

Many Trump supporters and Conservatives are less educated than most...and damn proud of it! Celebrating one's dumbness is a badge of honor for them, but why?? The answer can be found way back in the 70's during the reign of Republican Richard Nixon. In a Woody Allen film a beautiful WASPish woman was asked why she thought Mr. Allen (Character name Fielding Mellish) was a traitor to our country, she replied:

"I think Mr. Mellish is a traitor to our country because his views differ from those of the President and his kind, differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different, then he becomes... a subversive mother!

Education forces us to consider diverse points of view, too look at things from the perspective of others. Education encourages us to think outside the box, and to seek new solutions, and expand our boundaries of understanding. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative agenda, which tells us in little bumper sticker slogans that "we're right, and they're wrong!" "We're superior and they're inferior" "We're strong, and they're weak"

History is full of Conservative thinkers who (with the full backing of the church) taught the earth was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, many women were witches, and must be burned, the study of the stars and human autonomy, and other fields of science were the devils works, and the list goes on-

In my 64 years of walking this old rock called planet earth I've learned: Ignorance = Fear. It's fear that tells Conservatives that waves of evil foreigners are invading our great nation from the southern border and spreading violence and disease. It's fear that tells Conservatives they have to own a gun, or they'll be attacked at any minute, it's fear that tells Conservatives our universities are spreading the doctrine of socialism and liberalism, which undermine the values of our fine Christian nation...just like it's fear that makes Conservatives clutch their little bibles, and believe with all their Christian souls, that Donald J Trump is going to build a great, big beautiful, and MEXICO is going to pay for it.

I feel so sorry for these folks, though their intentions are good, they're blindly placing their trust in a man who doesn't give a shit about them at all....

billtard sez???? "Leftards love us! Why must you be so stubborn instead of suckling from the DNC teat???"

I would slit the throat of a commiecrat ( and with great gusto ) before I would ever tout one or cast a vote its way.

Where is that throat slitting key on your keyboard? You're too much of a pussy to do it any other way.

The same place on my keyboard where I could fill out the ballot to vote for a commiecrat, dipshit. Reading comprehension skills isn't one of your stronger attributes, eh?

BTW, I post my real pic and use my real name....total disclosure here...you? If anyone is the possessor of a vaginal cavity in this exchange, it would be you.

Hope this helps!

I have never actually possessed a vaginal cavity, but I have been given access to a few. At least I know what they look like. Do you?