Who was the worst traitor in U.S. history?

[Discombobulated]

Are you still trying to think of the name of a real historian who can validate that claim you didn't make?

Are you still trying to get the last bit out of that can of spray paint you're huffing?

I hadn't thought of that, but maybe I should consider it as a good faith effort to try and understand your thinking. Good suggestion.

 

[HenryBHough]

Before we can honestly rate who might be the worst traitor in history we really should wait until Democrats come up with a nominee for 2016. No need to rush to conclusions.

 

[TheIceMan]

Before we can honestly rate who might be the worst traitor in history we really should wait until Democrats come up with a nominee for 2016. No need to rush to conclusions.

Minus the fanboys and their hero-worships, I don't see why it's so serious people have to act like idiots. The question in the OP is CLEARLY a matter of personal opinion. It doesn't call for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Many possibilities: Aldrich Ames, the Rosenbergs, or Benedict Arnold himself. My nominee is Harry Dexter White.

quote: 1. White was the real author of the Morgenthau plan to "turn Germany into a potato field," which when leaked, united non-Nazis with Nazis, stiffened resistance, and prolonged the war.
2. White used his position in the Treasury Department to develop a hostile U.S. policy toward Japan. The reason was to distract Japan from their plans to attack the Soviet Union and draw the U.S. into the war as an ally with the Soviet Union.
3. White was the author of an extreme ultimatum that Japan could not comply with in the days just prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
4. White delayed financial support mandated by law to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Chinese government causing the triumph of Mao Tse-Tung's Communist Chinese government.
5. White was instrumental in handing over the Allied Military mark printing plates to the Soviets. This caused a $250,000,000 deficit in the occupational government budget paid out by the U.S. Treasury. This in effect amounted to the US taxpayer paying the salaries of Soviet occupation troops at a time when US/Soviet relations were deteriorating precisely because of the presence and behavior of Soviet occupation forces in Eastern Europe.

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Ed Snowden is pretty high up there, top 10 material for sure

When whistleblowers release information that shows the government is acting illegally, they should be protected under the law. Indeed - if that's all they do, they are heros.

Ed Snowden revealed much more than illegal activity. Much of what he revealed was methods for legal NSA activity. Being a whistleblower doesn't entitle you to do as you please with regards to other secret information. For that he is a traitor - and for taking refuge in Russia, he is a coward and defector.

comedy gold that this banned troll says snowden is a traiter yet every president since LBJ is NOT.funny stuff there.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

But you said treason.

No, I sure didn't.

Really? Then what's the title of this thread? You came in defending the claim that Obama is the worst traitor in the history of America; anyone can click the quoted post links back through the chain and see it. Being a traitor means you have committed treason.

He is right that Obama is a traiter.however the troll ignores the FACTS that EVERY american president since LBJ was a traiter to the american people as well.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, I sure didn't.

Really? Then what's the title of this thread? You came in defending the claim that Obama is the worst traitor in the history of America; anyone can click the quoted post links back through the chain and see it. Being a traitor means you have committed treason.

He is right that Obama is a traiter.however the troll ignores the FACTSA that EVERY american president since LBJ was a traiter to the american people as well.

Psst sparky? "traitor," with an "o."

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Before we can honestly rate who might be the worst traitor in history we really should wait until Democrats come up with a nominee for 2016. No need to rush to conclusions.

the REAL question people should be asking is -will we ever get a president who is NOT a traiter to the american people? Because the truth-which is uncomfortable for them to hear,is that we have not had one who wasnt since LBJ.everyone of them have been a traiter.snowden was a hero.anyone he thinks he is a traiter is a stupid fuck.accoring to their warped logic, daniel ellsberg was a traiter to the american people as well.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

i see someone farted in here before my last post.

that means i have you on ignore agent troll.

 

[Rogue 9]

You came in defending the claim that Obama is the worst traitor in the history of America; anyone can click the quoted post links back through the chain and see it. Being a traitor means you have committed treason.

Izzatrite sploogy? Well, why don't you go right ahead and post those links.

Sure. Here you go. This conversation thread started with me questioning TruthSeeker's (hah, what a joke) claim that Obama is, specifically, the worst traitor in U.S. history. You took up his argument, answering the question of what, specifically, he has done that is treasonous with your line about 18 U.S. Code § 875. Don't take up a question you aren't prepared to answer.

No, I sure didn't.

Really? Then what's the title of this thread? You came in defending the claim that Obama is the worst traitor in the history of America; anyone can click the quoted post links back through the chain and see it. Being a traitor means you have committed treason.

He is right that Obama is a traiter.however the troll ignores the FACTS that EVERY american president since LBJ was a traiter to the american people as well.

Really? They have all waged war against the United States or adhered to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort? I'm afraid that's going to require specific examples of war-waging behavior (against the United States, mind) for all of them. Again. The Constitution has very strict requirements for conviction on treason charges, and "Because I say so on the Internet!" doesn't make the cut.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sure. Here you go. This conversation thread started with me questioning TruthSeeker's (hah, what a joke) claim that Obama is, specifically, the worst traitor in U.S. history. You took up his argument, answering the question of what, specifically, he has done that is treasonous with your line about 18 U.S. Code § 875. Don't take up a question you aren't prepared to answer.

So, saying that Obama should be impeached for extortion, is calling him a traitor?

There's a reason you're a leftist......

You are incredibly stupid.

 

[regent]

It is becoming apparent that the biggest traitors in American history were its presidents. Why presidents are such traitors and why Americans elect traitors is not really clear. In any case, maybe the question should have read: What president was America's biggest traitor?

 

[Unkotare]

It is becoming apparent that the biggest traitors in American history were its presidents. Why presidents are such traitors and why Americans elect traitors is not really clear. In any case, maybe the question should have read: What president was America's biggest traitor?

The answer is still FDR.

 

[regent]

It is becoming apparent that the biggest traitors in American history were its presidents. Why presidents are such traitors and why Americans elect traitors is not really clear. In any case, maybe the question should have read: What president was America's biggest traitor?

The answer is still FDR.

Well let's see how your answer is doing? FDR has been rated as one of the three greatest American presidents, since historians began rating presidents in 1948. That's almost sixty years that FDR has been rated in the top three presidents along with Washington and Lincoln. Add to that 238 most noted historians, in the most recent rating, rated FDR as America's greatest, outscoring even Bush.
FDR also holds the record for the number of times the people elected him president, and we should note that Republicans worked very hard to make sure FDR holds that record, perhaps as long as there is an America.
But most importantly the people of FDR's generation those who lived during that time, the ones that went through the greatest depression and greatest war in American history believed he was the greatest.
But we should take note that you believe him to be a traitor.

 

[HenryBHough]

I was thinking more of Eleanor. FDR wasn't firing on all cylinders but somebody acting as president certainly was.....

 

[Unkotare]

It is becoming apparent that the biggest traitors in American history were its presidents. Why presidents are such traitors and why Americans elect traitors is not really clear. In any case, maybe the question should have read: What president was America's biggest traitor?

The answer is still FDR.

Well let's see how your answer is doing? ...

We can see how you are doing. Still not very well at thinking, it appears. If you never try you'll never improve.

 

[thanatos144]

Rand Paul for endorsing Mitch McConnell and proving he is no better then a Bush

 

[Rogue 9]

Sure. Here you go. This conversation thread started with me questioning TruthSeeker's (hah, what a joke) claim that Obama is, specifically, the worst traitor in U.S. history. You took up his argument, answering the question of what, specifically, he has done that is treasonous with your line about 18 U.S. Code § 875. Don't take up a question you aren't prepared to answer.

So, saying that Obama should be impeached for extortion, is calling him a traitor?

There's a reason you're a leftist......

You are incredibly stupid.

I'm not a leftist. I'm saying you gave the wrong answer to the question, because you did. At the very best you just outright changed the subject, since this thread, may I remind you, is about traitors, and you started blathering about things that are not treason.

 

[Picaro]

It is becoming apparent that the biggest traitors in American history were its presidents. Why presidents are such traitors and why Americans elect traitors is not really clear. In any case, maybe the question should have read: What president was America's biggest traitor?

The answer is still FDR.

Well let's see how your answer is doing? FDR has been rated as one of the three greatest American presidents, since historians began rating presidents in 1948. That's almost sixty years that FDR has been rated in the top three presidents along with Washington and Lincoln. Add to that 238 most noted historians, in the most recent rating, rated FDR as America's greatest, outscoring even Bush.
FDR also holds the record for the number of times the people elected him president, and we should note that Republicans worked very hard to make sure FDR holds that record, perhaps as long as there is an America.
But most importantly the people of FDR's generation those who lived during that time, the ones that went through the greatest depression and greatest war in American history believed he was the greatest.
But we should take note that you believe him to be a traitor.

Some angry teenager hoping to get support for his getting a big giant reparations check from the government would be running around making absurd and ridiculous claims.

 

[TheIceMan]

The answer is still FDR.

Well let's see how your answer is doing? FDR has been rated as one of the three greatest American presidents, since historians began rating presidents in 1948. That's almost sixty years that FDR has been rated in the top three presidents along with Washington and Lincoln. Add to that 238 most noted historians, in the most recent rating, rated FDR as America's greatest, outscoring even Bush.
FDR also holds the record for the number of times the people elected him president, and we should note that Republicans worked very hard to make sure FDR holds that record, perhaps as long as there is an America.
But most importantly the people of FDR's generation those who lived during that time, the ones that went through the greatest depression and greatest war in American history believed he was the greatest.
But we should take note that you believe him to be a traitor.

Some angry teenager hoping to get support for his getting a big giant reparations check from the government would be running around making absurd and ridiculous claims.

What does that say about those who are doing the rating? Lincoln. Roosevelt. Roosevelt was a traitor to individual liberty. His socialist programs accomplished little. It took a war to end the Great Depression, not the "new Deal".

 

[Picaro]

What does that say about those who are doing the rating? Lincoln. Roosevelt.

I'm no Lincoln fan, he was a sociopath and mass murderer, and some of Roosevelt's programs didn't work, his agricultural subsidies ended up benefiting mainly welthy land owners rather than sharecroppers, the latter being the majority of farmers, and the dumping of food to keep prices high was a ridiculous policy in the face of so much unemployment and poverty, but many of the programs did provide jobs and incomes for millions of families, and the spending was necessary, since many of the rich merely barricaded themselves on their estates and hid behind private armies and did nothing to alleviate the Depression, one they themselves caused in the first place.

Roosevelt was a traitor to individual liberty. His socialist programs accomplished little. It took a war to end the Great Depression, not the "new Deal".

They accomplished quite a bit actually, and the economy showed an almost unbroken rise back up to pre-Depression levels by 1937 or so, took a dip around the time of the Supreme Court battles, and then began rising again. Unemployment remained high, around 10%, but nowhere near Depression levels of 1930 and after, but those who did have jobs did okay, since prices and the cost of living were low.

You do know he was elected four times, right? ...

I like how the 'conservatives' contradict themselves by claiming 'the War ended the Depression', while out of the other sides of their mouths they rant about government spending being bad and a failure. The cognitive dissonance is blatantly schizophrenic.