Who was the worst traitor in U.S. history?

[TheIceMan]

What does that say about those who are doing the rating? Lincoln. Roosevelt.

I'm no Lincoln fan, he was a sociopath and mass murderer, and some of Roosevelt's programs didn't work, his agricultural subsidies ended up benefiting mainly welthy land owners rather than sharecroppers, the latter being the majority of farmers, and the dumping of food to keep prices high was a ridiculous policy in the face of so much unemployment and poverty, but many of the programs did provide jobs and incomes for millions of families, and the spending was necessary, since many of the rich merely barricaded themselves on their estates and hid behind private armies and did nothing to alleviate the Depression, one they themselves caused in the first place.

Roosevelt was a traitor to individual liberty. His socialist programs accomplished little. It took a war to end the Great Depression, not the "new Deal".

They accomplished quite a bit actually, and the economy showed an almost unbroken rise back up to pre-Depression levels by 1937 or so, took a dip around the time of the Supreme Court battles, and then began rising again. Unemployment remained high, around 10%, but nowhere near Depression levels of 1930 and after, but those who did have jobs did okay, since prices and the cost of living were low.

You do know he was elected four times, right? ...

I like how the 'conservatives' contradict themselves by claiming 'the War ended the Depression', while out of the other sides of their mouths they rant about government spending being bad and a failure. The cognitive dissonance is blatantly schizophrenic.

Yeah, he was elected 4 times. How convenient, that war.

I don't agree with your numbers, but I WILL give you points for at least an intelligent response.

The fact is, Roosevelt involved us in a war that was not our business because it was his "out". Isn't that what you so-called "liberals' blame Bush for? Not seeing a big bit of difference here.

Politics dictates. And it crosses party lines. Bush had the power and and bunch of limp-wrists for Congressmen. The left will lock-step and shove their stupid shit up your ass.

Therein lies the difference.

 

[S.J.]

Pretty much every Democrat is a traitor, either directly or indirectly.

 

[Picaro]

Yeah, he was elected 4 times. How convenient, that war.

The war had nothing to do with the first two elections, and as for the wartime elections the Republicans had nothing better to offer.

I don't agree with your numbers,

I get mine from the economic data available.

The fact is, Roosevelt involved us in a war that was not our business because it was his "out".

The fact is Japan and Germany involved us in a war; they didn't feel like leaving us out of it.

Isn't that what you so-called "liberals' blame Bush for? Not seeing a big bit of difference here.

Politics dictates. And it crosses party lines. Bush had the power and and bunch of limp-wrists for Congressmen.

I had no problem with Bush finishing off Saddam, so I don't 'blame' him for that; I blame him for turning a blind eye to massive corruption and the stupidity of 'nation building' fantasies among a bunch of medieval savages.

The left will lock-step and shove their stupid **** up your ass.

So the 'LEft' is no different than the Right? I agree. But then I recognize the difference between neo-Liberals and real liberals. The brie and chardonnay type Neo-liberals are just politically correct Republicans, and have pretty much the same contempt for this country that the brie and chardonnay Republicans do, which is why htey work together so well.

 

[zen]

Nobody called Southern Soldiers traitors until very recently. The last Confederate veteran was buried by the US Marines with full military honors in about 1958 (I think)...you know what Bragg, Lee, Pickett, Jackson and Hood all have in common? Yep, they were all Confederate Generals. AND, they all have currently occupied US Army forts named after them. You don't name forts after traitors. The Biggest traitors in US history? American LIBERAL/NEOMARXISTS bar none...traitors, criminals, cowards to a person...

Picaro...government spending/war spending results in short-term economic gains and long-term economic ruin, particularly when the spending is done at deficit. We will soon see the results of 30-40 years of deficit spending, we don't need to argue, we just need to watch. Personally, I get tired of hearing about post-war prosperity, and how we can bring it back with atavistic tax-and-spend policy a la Paul Krugman ( I miss my Grandparents too, Paul). The entire manufacturing base of Europe and Japan had been destroyed. The manufacturing centers in China, Viet Nam and the rest of Asia did not yet exist. We stood alone as a manufacturing power house. As soon as the rest of the world got rebuilt/built we began losing ground because of a combination of bureaucracy and regulatory environment, high capital costs, complete lack of vision/leadership and (last, least important) labor costs.

 

[regent]

The framers devoted some thought to treason and made an effort to define and limit the punishment, and all that for a reason. Anyone want to give the reason the framers and founders were so touchy about the word treason?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Pretty much every Democrat is a traitor, either directly or indirectly.

Like every republican president since Hoover is NOT?

 

[Rogue 9]

The framers devoted some thought to treason and made an effort to define and limit the punishment, and all that for a reason. Anyone want to give the reason the framers and founders were so touchy about the word treason?

Yeah. The Crown of England was in the habit of accusing anyone it didn't like of treason and throwing them in the Tower to rot. The framers, for understandable reasons, thought this was a bad idea. It's why I've been posting the way I have in here; careless accusations of treason lead to nothing good.

 

[S.J.]

Pretty much every Democrat is a traitor, either directly or indirectly.

Like every republican president since Hoover is NOT?

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

 

[Rogue 9]

Pretty much every Democrat is a traitor, either directly or indirectly.

Like every republican president since Hoover is NOT?

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

You will, of course, provide the necessary evidence that every single registered Democrat has waged war against the United States or adhered to their enemies, etc? Personally I think that sounds like a tall order, but evidently you think you can, so go for it, champ.

 

[S.J.]

Like every republican president since Hoover is NOT?

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

You will, of course, provide the necessary evidence that every single registered Democrat has waged war against the United States or adhered to their enemies, etc? Personally I think that sounds like a tall order, but evidently you think you can, so go for it, champ.

If you voted for someone who has supported policies and legislation that weakens or undermines our Constitution and the principals of freedom, as laid out by our Founding Fathers, then yes, you are a traitor. The Democratic Party has shown us repeatedly over the past 6 years it is willing to do this, so if you voted Democrat you are indeed a traitor. Is that clear enough for you, champ?

 

[Rogue 9]

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

You will, of course, provide the necessary evidence that every single registered Democrat has waged war against the United States or adhered to their enemies, etc? Personally I think that sounds like a tall order, but evidently you think you can, so go for it, champ.

If you voted for someone who has supported policies and legislation that weakens or undermines our Constitution and the principals of freedom, as laid out by our Founding Fathers, then yes, you are a traitor. The Democratic Party has shown us repeatedly over the past 6 years it is willing to do this, so if you voted Democrat you are indeed a traitor. Is that clear enough for you, champ?

What you're defining is sedition, not treason. Try it again.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Pretty much every Democrat is a traitor, either directly or indirectly.

Like every republican president since Hoover is NOT?

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

you are obviously working for the RNC.you should start a comedy club.because this is what you are so full of. pretty much is saying almost all and you have no evidence of that where I can EASILY show proof that every republican president since Hoover has been a traiter to the american people.thats too simple and easy.

better get off that crack you been smoking bubba.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

You will, of course, provide the necessary evidence that every single registered Democrat has waged war against the United States or adhered to their enemies, etc? Personally I think that sounds like a tall order, but evidently you think you can, so go for it, champ.

If you voted for someone who has supported policies and legislation that weakens or undermines our Constitution and the principals of freedom, as laid out by our Founding Fathers, then yes, you are a traitor. The Democratic Party has shown us repeatedly over the past 6 years it is willing to do this, so if you voted Democrat you are indeed a traitor. Is that clear enough for you, champ?

you're just crippling your arguments FOR ME.you said in the last SIX years.last time i checked,OBOMINATION was the last DEMO president that served in the white house the last six years.ONE democrat president who every thinking american knows is a traiter.BIG WOW,thats sure proving almost all of them in our history is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You will, of course, provide the necessary evidence that every single registered Democrat has waged war against the United States or adhered to their enemies, etc? Personally I think that sounds like a tall order, but evidently you think you can, so go for it, champ.

That's a bit of a sticky-wicky.

The democrat party was taken over by the radical left in 1968. Since that time, a war has been waged on the culture and value system of America, using the Cloward–Piven strategy with the express purpose of revoking the Constitutional Republic and establishing an authoritarian, socialist state.

Does that meet the level of "waging war" that the Constitution lists? Maybe. But the real question is "are all democrats complicit?" Obviously not. Voting democrat is like smoking. It is deadly and stupid, but those who do either are usually deluded into thinking that they are exempt from reality. Smokers don't plan to die a horrible death of lung cancer, even though their actions lead to it. Those who vote democrat don't plan to have the nation fall into a totalitarian cesspool, even though their actions lead to it.

Stupidity is not treason.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.

 

[S.J.]

Like every republican president since Hoover is NOT?

I didn't say "every Democrat president", I said "every Democrat". And no, Republican presidents have NOT been traitors.

you are obviously working for the RNC.you should start a comedy club.because this is what you are so full of. pretty much is saying almost all and you have no evidence of that where I can EASILY show proof that every republican president since Hoover has been a traiter to the american people.thats too simple and easy.

better get off that crack you been smoking bubba.

Sorry, but with a name like "9/11 inside job", it's hard to take you seriously enough to waste time on. Learn how to use capital letters, commas, and periods and you'll be taken more seriously. Oh, and stop flooding the page with useless icons. It doesn't make your arguments any more credible.

 

[regent]

In merrie old England if someone belched before the King he was accused of treason. Knowing this the framers defined treason in the Constitution and the number accused, tried and convicted of treason in America is quite small. We still use the merrie old England approach however, and accuse our political leaders of treason not for belching, but for not acting or talking the way we think they should act or talk.

 

[Uncensored2008]

someone farted in here.

Oh do fuck off, you mindless troll.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In merrie old England if someone belched before the King he was accused of treason. Knowing this the framers defined treason in the Constitution and the number accused, tried and convicted of treason in America is quite small. We still use the merrie old England approach however, and accuse our political leaders of treason not for belching, but for not acting or talking the way we think they should act or talk.

I don't use treason lightly. I've not accused Obama of treason - he is a criminal who should be impeached, but that isn't the same as a traitor.

Interstate extortion is a felony - Obama belongs in prison for it - but it is not treason.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

two farts in a row from you CENSORED.