Who wants to see Russia beat up over Ukraine?

Hellooo? He's being charged with dozens of felonies for stealing classified secrets and refusing to return them, even nuclear secrets. He hatched a plot to overthrow the election. He incited a riot at the capitol building. Heck, he even blackmailed another country to help Putin, which he will never face consequences for. I can only imagine that you're sick of hearing that Trump is a traitor because it's true!
I blame your press or the internet for things you believe. Were it vital that presidents do not hold secrets, Biden would be on trial for illegally holding classified stuff. Trump is not one bit a Traitor. Check out Biden. I believe you can make a case against him.
 
You admit you know nothing about the origins of this provoked easily avoided war.

You’ve failed to learn anything.

Stop posting.

I didn't admit any such thing, but I know who did, Putin. He told Tucker exactly why he moved into Ukraine, but you won't accept the word of the person who started the war! lol. This is what happens when rubes and suckers fall so deep for propaganda they've become detached from reality.
 
Russia doesn't have the capability to turn all of Ukraine into a wasteland now that Ukraine has advanced air defenses from the west. However that doesn't mean they don't try.
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You support Israel’s slaughter in Gaza because Hamas attacked. Yet you oppose Russia for attacking because of 14,000 murdered Russians in the Donbas.

Hypocrisy based on ignorance. Probably not your fault.

This is the problem with arguing with someone who is probably doing so from a desk computer after escaping their room at the mental institution.
 
I blame your press or the internet for things you believe. Were it vital that presidents do not hold secrets, Biden would be on trial for illegally holding classified stuff. Trump is not one bit a Traitor. Check out Biden. I believe you can make a case against him.

Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries on 88 criminal charges in 4 separate trials. This is simply a case of the law catching up to a repeat criminal, nothing more.

Does Biden have secret meetings with Putin?
 
He doesn’t know that about Putin. He thinks Putin is another Hitler, just as the state run media have told him.

He knows nothing about Putin’s multiple efforts at peace.
:thankusmile: Yep critical thinking and doing research outside of the box instead of listening to everything the cia controlled media spoonfeeds them is something those two are incapable of.
 
Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries on 88 criminal charges in 4 separate trials. This is simply a case of the law catching up to a repeat criminal, nothing more.

Does Biden have secret meetings with Putin?
Biden is very secretive about Putin.

We all know of the Democrats Trump indictments.

Does not mean he is guilty.
 
Yet you oppose Russia for attacking because of 14,000 murdered Russians in the Donbas.
I asked Anna of Ukraine about this then found information on the internet.
Apparently you do not know the whole story.

The war in Donbas,[c] or Donbas war, was a phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War in the Donbas region of Ukraine. The war began 12 April 2014, when a fifty-man commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast.[20][21][22][23] The Ukrainian military launched an operation against them.[24][25] It continued until it was subsumed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.[26][
In March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatists seized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian government forces.[27] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[28][29] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[30] In April 2014, Ukraine launched a counter-offensive, called the "Anti-Terrorist Operation"[31] (ATO), later renamed the "Joint Forces Operation" (JFO).[32][33] By late August 2014, Ukraine had re-taken most separatist-held territory and nearly regained control of the Russia–Ukraine border.[34] In response, Russia covertly sent troops, tanks and artillery into the Donbas.[35][36] Ukrainian officials called this a Russian "stealth invasion".[36][37] The Russian incursion helped pro-Russian forces regain much of the territory they had lost.[32][38] Alexander Borodai, former 'Prime Minister' of the DPR, said 50,000 "Russian volunteers" had fought in the first five months.[39]

Ukraine, Russia, the DPR and LPR signed a ceasefire agreement, the Minsk Protocol, in September 2014.[40] Ceasefire breaches became rife, and heavy fighting resumed in January 2015, during which the separatists captured Donetsk Airport. A new ceasefire, Minsk II, was agreed on 12 February 2015. Immediately after, separatists renewed their offensive on Debaltseve and forced Ukraine's military to withdraw.[41] After the fall of Debaltseve, skirmishes continued but the front line did not change. Both sides fortified their position by building networks of trenches, bunkers and tunnels, resulting in static trench warfare.[42][43] Stalemate led to the war being called a "frozen conflict",[44] but Donbas remained a war zone, with dozens killed monthly.[45] In 2017, on average a Ukrainian soldier died in combat every three days,[46] with an estimated 40,000 separatist and 6,000 Russian troops in the region.[47][48] By the end of 2017, OSCE observers had counted around 30,000 people in military gear crossing from Russia at the two border checkpoints it was allowed to monitor,[49] and documented military convoys crossing from Russia covertly.[50] All sides agreed to a roadmap for ending the war in October 2019,[51] but it remained unresolved.[52][53] During 2021, Ukrainian fatalities rose sharply and Russian forces massed around Ukraine's borders.[54] Russia officially recognized the DPR and LPR as independent states on 21 February 2022 and deployed troops to those territories. On 24 February, Russia began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, subsuming the war in Donbas into it.

There were 29 failed ceasefires.[53][55][56] About 14,000 people were killed in the war: 6,500 Russian and Russian proxy forces, 4,400 Ukrainian forces, and 3,400 civilians on both sides of the frontline.[17] The vast majority of civilian casualties were in the first year.[17]
 
So, tell me for how long should Ukraine have been able to keep these territories under its control to become a 'legal' owner of them? For how long should Israel do the same to become a 'legal' owner of the Arab territories? 50, 70, 100 years ?
As you know but like playing dumb, Ukraine easily avoids this war.

War is a racket that is designed and implemented to benefit and empower the elite. Memorize it!
 
This is the problem with arguing with someone who is probably doing so from a desk computer after escaping their room at the mental institution.
Sorry I upset you. Don’t cry.

Just get informed, then you might be able to debate someone of my enormous intellect.
 
I asked Anna of Ukraine about this then found information on the internet.
Apparently you do not know the whole story.

The war in Donbas,[c] or Donbas war, was a phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War in the Donbas region of Ukraine. The war began 12 April 2014, when a fifty-man commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast.[20][21][22][23] The Ukrainian military launched an operation against them.[24][25] It continued until it was subsumed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.[26][
In March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatists seized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian government forces.[27] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[28][29] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[30] In April 2014, Ukraine launched a counter-offensive, called the "Anti-Terrorist Operation"[31] (ATO), later renamed the "Joint Forces Operation" (JFO).[32][33] By late August 2014, Ukraine had re-taken most separatist-held territory and nearly regained control of the Russia–Ukraine border.[34] In response, Russia covertly sent troops, tanks and artillery into the Donbas.[35][36] Ukrainian officials called this a Russian "stealth invasion".[36][37] The Russian incursion helped pro-Russian forces regain much of the territory they had lost.[32][38] Alexander Borodai, former 'Prime Minister' of the DPR, said 50,000 "Russian volunteers" had fought in the first five months.[39]

Ukraine, Russia, the DPR and LPR signed a ceasefire agreement, the Minsk Protocol, in September 2014.[40] Ceasefire breaches became rife, and heavy fighting resumed in January 2015, during which the separatists captured Donetsk Airport. A new ceasefire, Minsk II, was agreed on 12 February 2015. Immediately after, separatists renewed their offensive on Debaltseve and forced Ukraine's military to withdraw.[41] After the fall of Debaltseve, skirmishes continued but the front line did not change. Both sides fortified their position by building networks of trenches, bunkers and tunnels, resulting in static trench warfare.[42][43] Stalemate led to the war being called a "frozen conflict",[44] but Donbas remained a war zone, with dozens killed monthly.[45] In 2017, on average a Ukrainian soldier died in combat every three days,[46] with an estimated 40,000 separatist and 6,000 Russian troops in the region.[47][48] By the end of 2017, OSCE observers had counted around 30,000 people in military gear crossing from Russia at the two border checkpoints it was allowed to monitor,[49] and documented military convoys crossing from Russia covertly.[50] All sides agreed to a roadmap for ending the war in October 2019,[51] but it remained unresolved.[52][53] During 2021, Ukrainian fatalities rose sharply and Russian forces massed around Ukraine's borders.[54] Russia officially recognized the DPR and LPR as independent states on 21 February 2022 and deployed troops to those territories. On 24 February, Russia began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, subsuming the war in Donbas into it.

There were 29 failed ceasefires.[53][55][56] About 14,000 people were killed in the war: 6,500 Russian and Russian proxy forces, 4,400 Ukrainian forces, and 3,400 civilians on both sides of the frontline.[17] The vast majority of civilian casualties were in the first year.[17]
I bet that information was a shock to you.
 
I bet that information was a shock to you.
YES, still Russia has no excuse for it's invasion of Ukraine.
Think about them this way. The US and Canada share a language. Do you support Canada invading the USA over the claim of language?
 
As you know but like playing dumb, Ukraine easily avoids this war.

War is a racket that is designed and implemented to benefit and empower the elite. Memorize it!
Ukraine didn't have a chance to preserve itself as a single state. The civil war was imminent in one or another form. I am talking about 2014. When all got started.
 
Ukraine didn't have a chance to preserve itself as a single state. The civil war was imminent in one or another form. I am talking about 2014. When all got started.
When Putin started his war against Ukraine, all I could think is my god, I thought Hitler died. Putin did as Hitler did to Europe.
 

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