Who Started The Civil War?

[PoliticalChic]

April 12, 1861....the bloodiest war in our history began.

1. 1861 Civil War begins as Confederates fire on Fort Sumter, Charleston, NC, capturing it on April 14. Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers on April 15. General P. G. T. Beauregard led the attack on Ft. Sumter. The fort’s commander was Major Robert Anderson, a former slave owner who stayed loyal to the USA. The fort fell in 34 hours.

2. The President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis served as a Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi and as Secretary of War under Franklin Pierce before his election as the president of the secessionist Confederate States of America.
Although he was later indicted for treason, he was never tried.

3. As a Democrat, he represents the personification of the political views of his party up to and including today.
The Republican party was created to resist, and remove, the stain of slavery from America. While the Democrats have always supported and advanced slavery, segregation and second-class citizenship for black Americans, they have been able to convince the less astute of the very opposite.

a. The KKK was a Democrat subsidiary....FDR made a KKKer his first Supreme Court nominee

b. Bill Clinton enforced flying the Confederate Flag during his entire Arkansas governorship.....and even suggested that Barack Obama should be carrying his bags in 2008.



4. Now....how the Civil War began?
a. Major Robert Anderson and 85 men were stranded in Fort Sumter.

b. Surrounding him were hundreds of militiamen and coastal guns.

c. Lincoln refused to give the fort up, but the fort was running out of food: if he sent a supply convoy into Charleston Bay, he would be blamed for starting the war.....but how could he give in, and give up the fort?

d. William Seward tried to undermine Lincoln....telling Lincoln to give up the fort for 'goodwill.'

e. On April 5, Lincoln dispatched a fleet of supply ships with the proviso that was relayed to Jefferson Davis: the vessels would be unarmed, with the only cargo "food for hungry men."

f. Firing on the defenseless ships would have been an act of war by the Confederacy.

g. On Tuesday, April 9, Davis held a cabinet meeting, deciding on war. Three days later, and hours before the ships would arrive....the Southern forces attacked the fort.
"Double Death: The True Story of Pryce Lewis, the Civil War's Most Daring Spy,"by Gavin Mortimer, p.70-71
The First Battle of Fort Sumter opened on April 12, 1861, when Confederate artillery fired on the Union garrisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

 

[xotoxi]

Very interesting!

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Divine Wind]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

 

[mamooth]

Conservatives make excuses for their ongoing support of the slavers. Film at 11.

 

[Pogo]

April 12, 1861....the bloodiest war in our history began.

1. 1861 Civil War begins as Confederates fire on Fort Sumter, Charleston, NC, capturing it on April 14. Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers on April 15. General P. G. T. Beauregard led the attack on Ft. Sumter. The fort’s commander was Major Robert Anderson, a former slave owner who stayed loyal to the USA. The fort fell in 34 hours.

2. The President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis served as a Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi and as Secretary of War under Franklin Pierce before his election as the president of the secessionist Confederate States of America.
Although he was later indicted for treason, he was never tried.

3. As a Democrat, he represents the personification of the political views of his party up to and including today.
The Republican party was created to resist, and remove, the stain of slavery from America. While the Democrats have always supported and advanced slavery, segregation and second-class citizenship for black Americans, they have been able to convince the less astute of the very opposite.

a. The KKK was a Democrat subsidiary....FDR made a KKKer his first Supreme Court nominee

b. Bill Clinton enforced flying the Confederate Flag during his entire Arkansas governorship.....and even suggested that Barack Obama should be carrying his bags in 2008.



4. Now....how the Civil War began?
a. Major Robert Anderson and 85 men were stranded in Fort Sumter.

b. Surrounding him were hundreds of militiamen and coastal guns.

c. Lincoln refused to give the fort up, but the fort was running out of food: if he sent a supply convoy into Charleston Bay, he would be blamed for starting the war.....but how could he give in, and give up the fort?

d. William Seward tried to undermine Lincoln....telling Lincoln to give up the fort for 'goodwill.'

e. On April 5, Lincoln dispatched a fleet of supply ships with the proviso that was relayed to Jefferson Davis: the vessels would be unarmed, with the only cargo "food for hungry men."

f. Firing on the defenseless ships would have been an act of war by the Confederacy.

g. On Tuesday, April 9, Davis held a cabinet meeting, deciding on war. Three days later, and hours before the ships would arrive....the Southern forces attacked the fort.
"Double Death: The True Story of Pryce Lewis, the Civil War's Most Daring Spy,"by Gavin Mortimer, p.70-71
The First Battle of Fort Sumter opened on April 12, 1861, when Confederate artillery fired on the Union garrisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

Number one, Charleston is in SOUTH Carolina, not North. NC hadn't even seceded yet.

That would be the same South Carolina where upstarts were crying for secession as far back as 1828 due to what they called the "Tariff of Abominations".

Number two, while Jefferson Davis had been a Democrat before that time, that party's 1860 convention was disrupted to the point of suspension (in that same city, Charleston SOUTH Carolina) resulting in a schism where the party went on without the South and nominated Stephen Douglas (of the famed Lincoln-Douglas debates). When the dust settled and the 1860 votes were counted, Douglas the Democrat had won the same number of electoral votes in the South as had Lincoln --- which was zero.

After coming in fourth in that election Douglas actively worked with the President-elect to try to hold the Union together, though he didn't live much longer.

So it's more than disingenuous to pretend Davis or anyone else in the Confederate cause were representative of a political party they had already split from. Moreover in the next election, held after the war began, Lincoln chose a Democrat as his running mate and the two of them declared themselves affiliates of the National Union Party, which stood for Union. Johnson's home state of Tennessee had voted for the Constitutional Union Party candidate John Bell, which stood for the same thing.

Number three (a), the KKK (which was founded AFTER, not DURING, the Civil War) was founded by ex-Confederate soldiers with no political connections and became essentially a continuation of "night patrols" which had been running since at least the 18th century. One of literally dozens of such groups to spring up at the same time.

Number three (b) Bill Clinton did not "suggest Barack O'bama should be carrying his bags". Prove me wrong,

Care to start all over, or you wanna just go with a complete engine overhaul?

 

[Preacher]

The tyrant Lincoln started it. Plain Simple Fact!

http://iahushua.com/hist/lincoln.html
DOPL: Why The War Was Started
Lincoln Provoked the War

 

[Marion Morrison]

The Yankees did with their tariffs. They gonna tax people in country to buy a product that they need.

That's really the main reason. There used be some Matthew Brady pictures around here someplace. Rats in my grandma's house got some I know.


Tariff Rates and Cotton Prices

 

[PoliticalChic]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

Yet I just proved that the South started it.

Try again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservatives make excuses for their ongoing support of the slavers. Film at 11.

From the OP:

2. The President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis served as a Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi and as Secretary of War under Franklin Pierce before his election as the president of the secessionist Confederate States of America.
Although he was later indicted for treason, he was never tried.

3. As a Democrat, he represents the personification of the political views of his party up to and including today.
The Republican party was created to resist, and remove, the stain of slavery from America. While the Democrats have always supported and advanced slavery, segregation and second-class citizenship for black Americans, they have been able to convince the less astute of the very opposite.

a. The KKK was a Democrat subsidiary....FDR made a KKKer his first Supreme Court nominee

b. Bill Clinton enforced flying the Confederate Flag during his entire Arkansas governorship.....and even suggested that Barack Obama should be carrying his bags in 2008.



You must be deeply wounded as you raced out from under your rock to pretend not to notice the above.


Excellent.

 

[Marion Morrison]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

Yet I just proved that the South started it.

Try again.

So, what's your opinion of General Sherman?

 

[Divine Wind]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

Yet I just proved that the South started it.

Try again.

Disagreed. Evicting trespasser is one thing, invading another state is an act of war. Ergo, the Yankees invasion of the South started the war hence the name "War of Northern Aggression".

 

[PoliticalChic]

April 12, 1861....the bloodiest war in our history began.

1. 1861 Civil War begins as Confederates fire on Fort Sumter, Charleston, NC, capturing it on April 14. Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers on April 15. General P. G. T. Beauregard led the attack on Ft. Sumter. The fort’s commander was Major Robert Anderson, a former slave owner who stayed loyal to the USA. The fort fell in 34 hours.

2. The President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis served as a Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi and as Secretary of War under Franklin Pierce before his election as the president of the secessionist Confederate States of America.
Although he was later indicted for treason, he was never tried.

3. As a Democrat, he represents the personification of the political views of his party up to and including today.
The Republican party was created to resist, and remove, the stain of slavery from America. While the Democrats have always supported and advanced slavery, segregation and second-class citizenship for black Americans, they have been able to convince the less astute of the very opposite.

a. The KKK was a Democrat subsidiary....FDR made a KKKer his first Supreme Court nominee

b. Bill Clinton enforced flying the Confederate Flag during his entire Arkansas governorship.....and even suggested that Barack Obama should be carrying his bags in 2008.



4. Now....how the Civil War began?
a. Major Robert Anderson and 85 men were stranded in Fort Sumter.

b. Surrounding him were hundreds of militiamen and coastal guns.

c. Lincoln refused to give the fort up, but the fort was running out of food: if he sent a supply convoy into Charleston Bay, he would be blamed for starting the war.....but how could he give in, and give up the fort?

d. William Seward tried to undermine Lincoln....telling Lincoln to give up the fort for 'goodwill.'

e. On April 5, Lincoln dispatched a fleet of supply ships with the proviso that was relayed to Jefferson Davis: the vessels would be unarmed, with the only cargo "food for hungry men."

f. Firing on the defenseless ships would have been an act of war by the Confederacy.

g. On Tuesday, April 9, Davis held a cabinet meeting, deciding on war. Three days later, and hours before the ships would arrive....the Southern forces attacked the fort.
"Double Death: The True Story of Pryce Lewis, the Civil War's Most Daring Spy,"by Gavin Mortimer, p.70-71
The First Battle of Fort Sumter opened on April 12, 1861, when Confederate artillery fired on the Union garrisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

Number one, Charleston is in SOUTH Carolina, not North. NC hadn't even seceded yet.

That would be the same South Carolina where upstarts were crying for secession as far back as 1828 due to what they called the "Tariff of Abominations".

Number two, while Jefferson Davis had been a Democrat before that time, that party's 1860 convention was disrupted to the point of suspension (in that same city, Charleston SOUTH Carolina) resulting in a schism where the party went on without the South and nominated Stephen Douglas (of the famed Lincoln-Douglas debates). When the dust settled and the 1860 votes were counted, Douglas the Democrat had won the same number of electoral votes in the South as had Lincoln --- which was zero.

After coming in fourth in that election Douglas actively worked with the President-elect to try to hold the Union together, though he didn't live much longer.

So it's more than disingenuous to pretend Davis or anyone else in the Confederate cause were representative of a political party they had already split from. Moreover in the next election, held after the war began, Lincoln chose a Democrat as his running mate and the two of them declared themselves affiliates of the National Union Party, which stood for Union. Johnson's home state of Tennessee had voted for the Constitutional Union Party candidate John Bell, which stood for the same thing.

Number three (a), the KKK (which was founded AFTER, not DURING, the Civil War) was founded by ex-Confederate soldiers with no political connections and became essentially a continuation of "night patrols" which had been running since at least the 18th century. One of literally dozens of such groups to spring up at the same time.

Number three (b) Bill Clinton did not "suggest Barack O'bama should be carrying his bags". Prove me wrong,

Care to start all over, or you wanna just go with a complete engine overhaul?

1. "Number one, Charleston is in SOUTH Carolina, not North. NC hadn't even seceded yet."
Sooo....as a self-proclaimed spokesperson for buffoons everywhere, you're making an argument that firing on a federal facility is peachy keen if you live nearby.


2. "Number two, while Jefferson Davis had been a Democrat before that time, that party's 1860 convention was disrupted to the point of suspension blah blah blah...."
As I proved.....proved....in the OP, David personified Democrat policies and they have been continued to this very day.

The President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis served as a Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi and as Secretary of War under Franklin Pierce before his election as the president of the secessionist Confederate States of America.
Although he was later indicted for treason, he was never tried.

As a Democrat, he represents the personification of the political views of his party up to and including today.
The Republican party was created to resist, and remove, the stain of slavery from America. While the Democrats have always supported and advanced slavery, segregation and second-class citizenship for black Americans, they have been able to convince the less astute of the very opposite.

a. The KKK was a Democrat subsidiary....FDR made a KKKer his first Supreme Court nominee

b. Bill Clinton enforced flying the Confederate Flag during his entire Arkansas governorship.....and even suggested that Barack Obama should be carrying his bags in 2008.


3. "Number three (a), the KKK (which was founded AFTER, not DURING, the Civil War) was founded by ex-Confederate soldiers with no political connections..."

Now watch me ram this lie back down your throat:

Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425


4. "Number three (b) Bill Clinton did not "suggest Barack O'bama should be carrying his bags". Prove me wrong,"

Sure....I'll prove you wrong for the fourth time:

"Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags'"
Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags'



Time for you to go lick your wounds?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The tyrant Lincoln started it. Plain Simple Fact!

http://iahushua.com/hist/lincoln.html
DOPL: Why The War Was Started
Lincoln Provoked the War

Simple would be you.

As a conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to educate a dunce..er, Democrat.....here we go:

Now....how the Civil War began?
a. Major Robert Anderson and 85 men were stranded in Fort Sumter.

b. Surrounding him were hundreds of militiamen and coastal guns.

c. Lincoln refused to give the fort up, but the fort was running out of food: if he sent a supply convoy into Charleston Bay, he would be blamed for starting the war.....but how could he give in, and give up the fort?

d. William Seward tried to undermine Lincoln....telling Lincoln to give up the fort for 'goodwill.'

e. On April 5, Lincoln dispatched a fleet of supply ships with the proviso that was relayed to Jefferson Davis: the vessels would be unarmed, with the only cargo "food for hungry men."

f. Firing on the defenseless ships would have been an act of war by the Confederacy.

g. On Tuesday, April 9, Davis held a cabinet meeting, deciding on war. Three days later, and hours before the ships would arrive....the Southern forces attacked the fort.
"Double Death: The True Story of Pryce Lewis, the Civil War's Most Daring Spy,"by Gavin Mortimer, p.70-71
The First Battle of Fort Sumter opened on April 12, 1861, when Confederate artillery fired on the Union garrisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Yankees did with their tariffs. They gonna tax people in country to buy a product that they need.

That's really the main reason. There used be some Matthew Brady pictures around here someplace. Rats in my grandma's house got some I know.


Tariff Rates and Cotton Prices

Actually, the reason the South believe that they could beat the North, was their view that Britain would come into the war on their side.

They believed their ace-in-the-hole was cotton....'King Cotton.'

1. Senator James Henry Hammond, in what became known as the "Cotton is King" speech:

" Without firing a gun, without drawing a sword, should they make war on us we could bring the whole world to our feet.

The South is perfectly competent to go on, one, two, or three years without planting a seed of cotton. I believe that if she was to plant but half her cotton, for three years to come, it would be an immense advantage to her. I am not so sure but that after three years' entire abstinence she would come out stronger than ever she was before, and better prepared to enter afresh upon her great career of enterprise.

What would happen if no cotton was furnished for three years? I will not stop to depict what every one can imagine, but this is certain: England would topple headlong and carry the whole civilized world with her, save the South.No, you dare not make war on cotton. No power on earth dares to make war upon it. Cotton is king."
James Henry Hammond Cotton is King

a. That was 1858. The Southern elite already thought they had an ace up their sleeve with which to coax Britain.


2. Here is the basis for their belief
a. 75% of the world's cotton, and up to 84% of Britain's, came from the South's cotton fields. The Cotton Economy in the South FREE The Cotton Economy in the South information Encyclopedia.com Find The Cotton Economy in the South research

b. In Britain's industrial heartland, where all but 500 of the country's 2,650 cotton factories, employing 440 000 people, were located, and almost all of the cotton came from the Southern United States. A history of the Lancashire cotton mills

c. "In 1861 the London Times estimated that one fifth of the British population was dependent, directly or indirectly, on the success of the cotton districts." "Double Death: The True Story of Pryce Lewis, the Civil War's Most Daring Spy,"byGavin Mortimer, p.72




3. They were wrong.....the Queen declined the offer.
London Times: "....Southern rights are now more clearly understood, and in any case since war, though greatly to be regretted, was now at hand, it was England's business to keep strictly out of it and to maintain neutrality."
May 9, 1861



c. On May 14th, Queen Victoria issued Britain's "Proclamation of Neutrality." The proclamation was avidly reported in the American press, with Harper's Weekly summarizing it in its edition of June 8.

"THE proclamation of the Queen has been issued by the Privy Council at Whitehall, warning all British subjects from interfering, at their peril, with either party in the American conflict, or giving aid and comfort in any way, by personal service and supplying munitions of war, to either party. The proclamation announces it as the intention of the British Government to preserve the strictest neutrality in the contest between the Government of the United States and the Government of those States calling themselves the Confederate States of America."
Civil War News

 

[bodecea]

The tyrant Lincoln started it. Plain Simple Fact!

http://iahushua.com/hist/lincoln.html
DOPL: Why The War Was Started
Lincoln Provoked the War

Who fired first?

 

[PoliticalChic]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

Yet I just proved that the South started it.

Try again.

So, what's your opinion of General Sherman?

The reason I chose this topic was the historic significance of the date.

But....I was divided over which was more important....the South starting the Civil War or the death, on this date, of the tyrant who promoted the KKK, shredded the Constitution, and made certain that Stalin and communism survived WWII.

Know who that was?

 

[Preacher]

Nothing funnier than a YANKEE trying to tell us who the War for Southern Independence started. Hilarious.

 

[bodecea]

Nothing funnier than a YANKEE trying to tell us who the War for Southern Independence started. Hilarious.

Who fired first?

 

[PoliticalChic]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

Yet I just proved that the South started it.

Try again.

Disagreed. Evicting trespasser is one thing, invading another state is an act of war. Ergo, the Yankees invasion of the South started the war hence the name "War of Northern Aggression".

Are you sure you want to join this battle? Are you in a big hurry to roam the morphine-drip highway?



You're a dunce.

Lincoln was President of the United States, not governor 'of another state.'


Remember: When Galileo stated that everything falls at the same speed, he wasn’t referring to your reputation.

 

[Winston]

AKA The War of Northern Aggression.

Yet I just proved that the South started it.

Try again.

You didn't prove jack shit, except that you are a damn idiot. And the rant about the Democratic party was beyond stupid. But two can play that game. Yep, Lincoln's Republican party is the same as the Republican party of today. The whole slavery issue and the idea that the North supported the freedom of slaves is historical revisionism at it's worse and just as accurate as the claim the Republican party of today is for the working man. Five years after the war, Lysander Spooner, an abolitionist,

“All these cries of having ‘abolished slavery,’ of having ‘saved the country,’ of having ‘preserved the Union,’ of establishing a ‘government of consent,’ and of ‘maintaining the national honor’ are all gross, shameless, transparent cheats—so transparent that they ought to deceive no one.”

That was five years after the war and here you are. more than 150 years later attempting to perpetuate the same bullshit. Don't like Spooner, how about Charles Dickens--a strong opponent of slavery.

“The Northern onslaught upon slavery is no more than a piece of specious humbug disguised to conceal its desire for economic control of the United States.

It was all about economic control. The North was more than happy to allow slavery as long as the North got the bulk of the value of the slave's production. Just as the Republican party is happy to allow legal abortion as long as the wealthy get to continue to manipulate the tax code. Lincoln was not about the "will of the people". Lincoln was all about the POWER of the federal government. He famously jumped out of a second story window to avoid a quorum call in order to protect railroad subsidies while serving in the Illinois legislature. He suspended Habeas Corpus, locked up dissenting newspaper editors, and even attempted to have a justice of the Supreme Court arrested simply for ruling against him. He was a despot and, more than any other individual, he DESTROYED the nation that the founders established and returned it back to England.