The Questionable Military Trial of the Lincoln Assassination Conspirators

[mikegriffith1]

It is not erroneous it is fact. There is very little empirical evidence associating Agent Orange with a couple forms of cancer. That is it. The claim it causes every disease under the sun with NO empirical evidence of any sort

This is Bozo material.

You are not well informed about that issue you are only repeating hearsay

More Bozo material.

None of those people were in mexico city with Oswald.

Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Go read the HSCA report on Oswald's activities in Mexico City, authored by Ed Lopez and Dan Hardway.

He had no accomplices in gthe shooting that is fact

He wasn't even on the sixth floor during the shooting. Obviously, you are unaware of the new evidence that puts Oswald on the first and second floors during the shooting.

he knew Ferrie as a teen but that is all. He never had any known contact with Bannister nor would he have. Hoobver never said any such thing

LOL! Uh, we have the transcript of Hoover's call with LBJ! And during that call, Hoover informed LBJ that someone had been impersonating Oswald in Mexico City. The transcript was one of the key documents released by the ARRB in the 1990s.

No one was impersonating Oswald. The false sighting On Oswald was simply an error admitted to by the CIA. They identified the wrong guy as Owwald because they had no idea what Oswald looked like at the time. They were only operating on when he was known to have visited the embassy and dug up a pic of a random guy who was there.

Howling Betsy! You are at least 20 years behind the information curve. The CIA knew exactly what Oswald looked like and had been closely tracking him for years. They were even reading his mail. Go read former Army intelligence officer Dr. John Newman's book Oswald and the CIA.

And, again, go read the HSCA Lopez-Hardway report on Oswald's activities in Mexico City.

The HSCA did not conclude any such thing They concluded a PROBABLE second shooter.

By "probable" the HSCA explained that they meant virtually certain, to a degree of certainty of at least 95%.

This conclusion was based exclusively on one and only one piece of evidence

Wrong. Go read the HSCA report and its supporting volumes. You are repeating a myth that was based on a lie from the outset. The HSCA cited a great deal of additional evidence and not just the acoustical evidence.

Are you ever going to cite a single source to back up your erroneous claims?

which was the recording of the sounds picked up by the shoulder mic of a motorcycle cop. It was determined by some not so smart experts that there were more than three shots on the recording. Unfortunately there are no shots heard at all on the recording and in fact the recording was made as the cop was at Parkland hospital not Dealey plaza,

This is comical. Again, you are 20 years behind the information curve. Those "not so smart experts" were some of the leading acoustical scientists in the world, and they were recommended to the HSCA by the Acoustical Society of America. The claims you are making about the recording were made by people who were not even acoustical scientists.

Recent scientific analysis by the acoustical firm BBN has confirmed that the police dictabelt recording contains at least four gunshot impulses and that those shots were fired in Dealey Plaza during the assassination.

The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman

The tree simply did not get in the way. The investigators made the simple mistake of checking the view years after the gfact and the tree had grown

LOL! Hogwash! Now where do you get this nonsense? NOBODY denies that the tree obstructed the view from the sixth-floor window from frames 166 to 210 of the Zapruder film. This fact was established by FBI and Secret Service reenactments in Dealey Plaza done just weeks after the shooting. I mean, sheesh, even the Warren Commission acknowledged this fact.

Once again, you have no clue on Earth what you're talking about. I am genuinely curious to know where you got your bogus claim. Did you just make it up?

NO witneses with any credibility saw Oswald with Shaw or Bannister. He only knew FZerrie and that was from years earlier as a teen.

This drivel was debunked decades ago. Six witnesses in one town alone saw Oswald with David Ferrie and Clay Shaw, and those witnesses included a state representative, a deputy sheriff, and a county registrar.

The ARRB materials provide more evidence that Oswald worked closely with Ferrie. I quote from my book A Comforting Lie:

Pena reported that on several occasions he saw Oswald
speaking with FBI Cuban specialist Warren de Brueys, with
David Smith at the Customs office, and with Wendell
Roache at the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
office in New Orleans.

Pena was not always consistent in his accounts, but Roache
confirmed Pena’s account about seeing Oswald in the New
Orleans INS office when Roache was interviewed by the
Church Committee. Roache said that he had “frequently” seen Oswald in the INS office and that Oswald even had an
office there (24:2).

Roache stated in another Church Committee interview that
during INS surveillance, Oswald was seen going into the
offices of David Ferrie’s anti-Castro group in New Orleans,
and that “Oswald was known to be one of the men in the
group” (25:1). (pp. 62-63)

No one determined Ruby lied about how he entered the basement.

How would you know? You've clearly read nothing but old, discredited sources on the case.

Yes, they most certainly did find evidence that Ruby lied about how he entered the basement. Go read the HSCA report on how Ruby entered the basement.

No one found any evidence to challenge his stated motive and in fact

You don't know that. You're just repeating what you've read in what must be some very old sources. Are you aware that Ruby's answers regarding the assassination and a conspiracy on his FBI polygraph indicated falsehood/deception? Are you aware that the HSCA found a note from Ruby to his attorney in which Ruby admitted he lied about his motive for killing Oswald?

How can you not know this stuff and pretend to have any business talking about the JFK case?

The Warren Investigation has far fewer flaws than the HSCA and remains unchallenged

LOL! Who are you?! Are you aware that we have known for years that even three of the seven members of the Warren Commission did not agree with the lone-gunman conclusion and the single-bullet theory?

 

[Soupnazi630]

This is Bozo material.


More Bozo material.


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Go read the HSCA report on Oswald's activities in Mexico City, authored by Ed Lopez and Dan Hardway.


He wasn't even on the sixth floor during the shooting. Obviously, you are unaware of the new evidence that puts Oswald on the first and second floors during the shooting.


LOL! Uh, we have the transcript of Hoover's call with LBJ! And during that call, Hoover informed LBJ that someone had been impersonating Oswald in Mexico City. The transcript was one of the key documents released by the ARRB in the 1990s.


Howling Betsy! You are at least 20 years behind the information curve. The CIA knew exactly what Oswald looked like and had been closely tracking him for years. They were even reading his mail. Go read former Army intelligence officer Dr. John Newman's book Oswald and the CIA.

And, again, go read the HSCA Lopez-Hardway report on Oswald's activities in Mexico City.


By "probable" the HSCA explained that they meant virtually certain, to a degree of certainty of at least 95%.


Wrong. Go read the HSCA report and its supporting volumes. You are repeating a myth that was based on a lie from the outset. The HSCA cited a great deal of additional evidence and not just the acoustical evidence.

Are you ever going to cite a single source to back up your erroneous claims?


This is comical. Again, you are 20 years behind the information curve. Those "not so smart experts" were some of the leading acoustical scientists in the world, and they were recommended to the HSCA by the Acoustical Society of America. The claims you are making about the recording were made by people who were not even acoustical scientists.

Recent scientific analysis by the acoustical firm BBN has confirmed that the police dictabelt recording contains at least four gunshot impulses and that those shots were fired in Dealey Plaza during the assassination.

The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman


LOL! Hogwash! Now where do you get this nonsense? NOBODY denies that the tree obstructed the view from the sixth-floor window from frames 166 to 210 of the Zapruder film. This fact was established by FBI and Secret Service reenactments in Dealey Plaza done just weeks after the shooting. I mean, sheesh, even the Warren Commission acknowledged this fact.

Once again, you have no clue on Earth what you're talking about. I am genuinely curious to know where you got your bogus claim. Did you just make it up?


This drivel was debunked decades ago. Six witnesses in one town alone saw Oswald with David Ferrie and Clay Shaw, and those witnesses included a state representative, a deputy sheriff, and a county registrar.

The ARRB materials provide more evidence that Oswald worked closely with Ferrie. I quote from my book A Comforting Lie:

Pena reported that on several occasions he saw Oswald
speaking with FBI Cuban specialist Warren de Brueys, with
David Smith at the Customs office, and with Wendell
Roache at the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
office in New Orleans.

Pena was not always consistent in his accounts, but Roache
confirmed Pena’s account about seeing Oswald in the New
Orleans INS office when Roache was interviewed by the
Church Committee. Roache said that he had “frequently” seen Oswald in the INS office and that Oswald even had an
office there (24:2).

Roache stated in another Church Committee interview that
during INS surveillance, Oswald was seen going into the
offices of David Ferrie’s anti-Castro group in New Orleans,
and that “Oswald was known to be one of the men in the
group” (25:1). (pp. 62-63)


How would you know? You've clearly read nothing but old, discredited sources on the case.

Yes, they most certainly did find evidence that Ruby lied about how he entered the basement. Go read the HSCA report on how Ruby entered the basement.


You don't know that. You're just repeating what you've read in what must be some very old sources. Are you aware that Ruby's answers regarding the assassination and a conspiracy on his FBI polygraph indicated falsehood/deception? Are you aware that the HSCA found a note from Ruby to his attorney in which Ruby admitted he lied about his motive for killing Oswald?

How can you not know this stuff and pretend to have any business talking about the JFK case?

LOL! Who are you?! Are you aware that we have known for years that even three of the seven members of the Warren Commission did not agree with the lone-gunman conclusion and the single-bullet theory?

Wow thats a lot to tyake in and all of it false

What I said about agent orange is fact which you cannot dispute


The HSCA id discredited.

The acoustic experts were not world leaders int he field nor were they recommended atall they were half assed tech professors who volunteered to give their findings the the HSCA which was never verified by anyupne as yoiu claimed,. what was verifiede is that gun shots would have sounded clear on gthe recording but none was heard. What was also verified by the acoustic experts themselves is that the cop had to be at the corner of elm and houston for their findings to be correct. Unfortunately he was phootgraphed at the corner of main and houston when the shooting ended

That destroyds their evidence and yours

There is no evidence putting Oswald on the second floor. That claim was decunked decades ago and it is you operating on disproven acient claims

I am better informed than you on this issue incuding the HSCA and ARRB which arer worthless

No credible witnesses saw those men together

The HSCA reported no such witnesses.
the CIA had nothing whatsoever to do with Oswald they had no idea what he looked like, Your claim to the contrary is based on fiction with no supportign evidence
The tree did not obstruct his view from the sixth floor and that is fact The warren report made no such claim

Ferrie knew him as a teen and nothing more

You never wrote a book boy

 

[mikegriffith1]

Wow thats a lot to tyake in and all of it false

What I said about agent orange is fact which you cannot dispute


The HSCA id discredited.

The acoustic experts were not world leaders int he field nor were they recommended atall they were half assed tech professors who volunteered to give their findings the the HSCA which was never verified by anyupne as yoiu claimed,. what was verifiede is that gun shots would have sounded clear on gthe recording but none was heard. What was also verified by the acoustic experts themselves is that the cop had to be at the corner of elm and houston for their findings to be correct. Unfortunately he was phootgraphed at the corner of main and houston when the shooting ended

That destroyds their evidence and yours

There is no evidence putting Oswald on the second floor. That claim was decunked decades ago and it is you operating on disproven acient claims

I am better informed than you on this issue incuding the HSCA and ARRB which arer worthless

No credible witnesses saw those men together

The HSCA reported no such witnesses.
the CIA had nothing whatsoever to do with Oswald they had no idea what he looked like, Your claim to the contrary is based on fiction with no supportign evidence
The tree did not obstruct his view from the sixth floor and that is fact The warren report made no such claim

Ferrie knew him as a teen and nothing more

You never wrote a book boy

Every single one of your arguments is false. Some of them are so erroneous that I almost suspect you're some kind of troll who just enjoys being contrary.

In all the online discussions I've had with Warren Commission defenders, you're the first person who has ever claimed that the oak tree would not have obstructed the sixth-floor gunman's view of JFK from frames 166-210 of the Zapruder film. The Warren Report itself acknowledges this fact. But you even deny this!

You clearly have no clue what in the world you're talking about, and I see no point in wasting more time trying to reason with you.