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If the founding fathers were not liberals...what would you call the Torries who were loyal to the King?
Liberalism relates to the desire to look at things as they are and evolve them to a changing environment. Conservatives seek to retain the current structure. Neither position remains static over time.
If the founding fathers were not liberals...what would you call the Torries who were loyal to the King?
Liberalism relates to the desire to look at things as they are and evolve them to a changing environment. Conservatives seek to retain the current structure. Neither position remains static over time.
Conservatives of today are called so because they wish to retain the structure of government as it was when it was first formed, meaning after the revolution and writing of the Constitution. So to claim that conservatives of today would of been loyalists back then is absurd.
Liberalism in the 18th century America isn't anywhere near liberalism/progressivism of today. Liberals of today are seeking to change America from what it was founded as, to a secular socialist nation.
Those of us who were troops, who support charities for wounded troops, who support charities for the children of our brothers and sisters in arms who gave the ultimate sacrifice, etc.. it is we that support the troops.... those of us who do not try and change military standards for the sake of 'feel good' causes... it is we that support the troops... those of us who do not try and compare our troops to 'baby killers'... it is we that support the troops...
You can honestly look at recent history and say that the Left cares about individual liberties?Actually no..you are wrong.
Very wrong.
During the Bush years, Conservatives, with great glee I might add, have found a new "other" and used it as a justification to snatch away essential Liberties from all Americans.
Like the right to freedom from illegal search and seizure.
Like the right to challenge incarcerartion.
Like the right to worship and practice religion as an indivdual pleases.
Like the right to a speedy trial.
Like the protection from cruel and unusual punishment.
They did this is very real, specific and demonstrable ways.
those are indeed facts. Another fact is that modern liberalism has nothing to do with liberalism back then.Of course it does. It's easier than dealing with the fact.And this is relevant to the Iraq war how exactly?
It seems to me like a cheap red herring.
Lets do deal with facts. The Liberals were the revolutionaries during the war of independence..the Conservative were the Tories..who were just fine with the British Crown.
It's always this schoolyard left/right bullshit. How drawl.
Most of the problems we face are due to the big government you idiots insist will solve everything.If the founding fathers were not liberals...what would you call the Torries who were loyal to the King?
Liberalism relates to the desire to look at things as they are and evolve them to a changing environment. Conservatives seek to retain the current structure. Neither position remains static over time.
Conservatives of today are called so because they wish to retain the structure of government as it was when it was first formed, meaning after the revolution and writing of the Constitution. So to claim that conservatives of today would of been loyalists back then is absurd.
Liberalism in the 18th century America isn't anywhere near liberalism/progressivism of today. Liberals of today are seeking to change America from what it was founded as, to a secular socialist nation.
Times change, issues change....our Constitution has changed to reflect a modern society
To try to apply 18th century solutions to 21st century problems is idiocy.
those are indeed facts. Another fact is that modern liberalism has nothing to do with liberalism back then.Of course it does. It's easier than dealing with the fact.
Lets do deal with facts. The Liberals were the revolutionaries during the war of independence..the Conservative were the Tories..who were just fine with the British Crown.
You really think the Founding Fathers threw off the yoke of the Crown's big government only to institute their own? How do you reconcile that with the strict limitations they placed on the Federal government in the Constitution?
Hint: You can't.
Most of the problems we face are due to the big government you idiots insist will solve everything.Conservatives of today are called so because they wish to retain the structure of government as it was when it was first formed, meaning after the revolution and writing of the Constitution. So to claim that conservatives of today would of been loyalists back then is absurd.
Liberalism in the 18th century America isn't anywhere near liberalism/progressivism of today. Liberals of today are seeking to change America from what it was founded as, to a secular socialist nation.
Times change, issues change....our Constitution has changed to reflect a modern society
To try to apply 18th century solutions to 21st century problems is idiocy.
If the founding fathers were not liberals...what would you call the Torries who were loyal to the King?
Liberalism relates to the desire to look at things as they are and evolve them to a changing environment. Conservatives seek to retain the current structure. Neither position remains static over time.
Conservatives of today are called so because they wish to retain the structure of government as it was when it was first formed, meaning after the revolution and writing of the Constitution. So to claim that conservatives of today would of been loyalists back then is absurd.
Liberalism in the 18th century America isn't anywhere near liberalism/progressivism of today. Liberals of today are seeking to change America from what it was founded as, to a secular socialist nation.
Liberals today don't value individual liberties. They place greater importance on government control over individual lives. This is what the Founding Fathers opposed.Yes, the Founding Fathers were liberals. No, liberals today are not the same kind of liberals they were. Far from it.
Don't pretend otherwise.
If the founding fathers were not liberals...what would you call the Torries who were loyal to the King?
Liberalism relates to the desire to look at things as they are and evolve them to a changing environment. Conservatives seek to retain the current structure. Neither position remains static over time.
If you were alive back then, you would have informed on the revolutionaries.
You can honestly look at recent history and say that the Left cares about individual liberties?Actually no..you are wrong.
Very wrong.
During the Bush years, Conservatives, with great glee I might add, have found a new "other" and used it as a justification to snatch away essential Liberties from all Americans.
Like the right to freedom from illegal search and seizure.
Like the right to challenge incarcerartion.
Like the right to worship and practice religion as an indivdual pleases.
Like the right to a speedy trial.
Like the protection from cruel and unusual punishment.
They did this is very real, specific and demonstrable ways.
What are you smoking?
I suggest you read it sometime.those are indeed facts. Another fact is that modern liberalism has nothing to do with liberalism back then.Lets do deal with facts. The Liberals were the revolutionaries during the war of independence..the Conservative were the Tories..who were just fine with the British Crown.
You really think the Founding Fathers threw off the yoke of the Crown's big government only to institute their own? How do you reconcile that with the strict limitations they placed on the Federal government in the Constitution?
Hint: You can't.
Yes they did...they threw off the yoke of the Crowns big government and put in a government of their own. It had checks and balances to keep one sector of the government from becoming too powerful but never put any limitations on the size of government.
Why can't you? Sure, you'd need more people to do the work, but you've expanded the role of government, not just the workload.Most of the problems we face are due to the big government you idiots insist will solve everything.Times change, issues change....our Constitution has changed to reflect a modern society
To try to apply 18th century solutions to 21st century problems is idiocy.
You can't have the same size of government to serve 300 million people as you did to serve 2.5 million people. Modern government requires modern solutions. The founding fathers never claimed to have all the answers, that is why they provided a flexible framework in the Constitution
I understand your refusal to accept the truth. That doesn't make it any less true.Liberals today don't value individual liberties. They place greater importance on government control over individual lives. This is what the Founding Fathers opposed.If the founding fathers were not liberals...what would you call the Torries who were loyal to the King?
Liberalism relates to the desire to look at things as they are and evolve them to a changing environment. Conservatives seek to retain the current structure. Neither position remains static over time.
If you were alive back then, you would have informed on the revolutionaries.
A perfect examle of a typcial pseudo-conservative argument that attempts the rewriting of definitions to suit their rhetorical needs. Up is down. Left is right. Liberals don't value liberty........right.......
Hahahahahahahaha what a joke.
As a big-government statist, you would have fought against the revolutionaries.If you were alive back then, you would have informed on the revolutionaries.
It was the conservative Torries who remained loyal to the king and ratted out their countrymen for personal gain
I don't see why you're trying to fight this. It's just a fact.
I wouldn't think something so obvious would need any defense. It's like being asked to prove the sun comes up in the east.You can honestly look at recent history and say that the Left cares about individual liberties?Actually no..you are wrong.
Very wrong.
During the Bush years, Conservatives, with great glee I might add, have found a new "other" and used it as a justification to snatch away essential Liberties from all Americans.
Like the right to freedom from illegal search and seizure.
Like the right to challenge incarcerartion.
Like the right to worship and practice religion as an indivdual pleases.
Like the right to a speedy trial.
Like the protection from cruel and unusual punishment.
They did this is very real, specific and demonstrable ways.
What are you smoking?
Instead of questioning me about my "honesty" or what I may or may not be "ingesting" why don't you try something novel...given the nature of most of your posts..
Defending your position with specifics and facts.
I know they are. I oppose the GOP's leftward trend. We have one liberal party -- we don't need two.As a big-government statist, you would have fought against the revolutionaries.It was the conservative Torries who remained loyal to the king and ratted out their countrymen for personal gain
I don't see why you're trying to fight this. It's just a fact.
So is it big governement statist that you are against or liberal? Like the Administration of GWB right. I got news for you, both parties are filled with big governement statist.
