Who is the most over-rated president of all-time?

[Unkotare]

NO, he saved the "union" at the expense of state rights.

He saved America - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


The confederacy lost. Get over it.

 

[Unkotare]

NO, he saved the "union" at the expense of state rights. He consolidated powers through force and violence. rather than diplomatic negotiations. That's what tyrants do.

He saved the union and that's what made America the nation it is today. A dissolved union would mean independent states negotiating who knows what treaties with foreign governments.

People forget that France was right there in Mexico watching and waiting. The other European powers were ready and willing to take advantage depending upon how things turned out. Seward spent the war convincing the Europeans that the North would prevail and any interference would carry consequences.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes, the boogeyman in the closet. Statists the world over have been having this very orgasm of power consolidation for centuries.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

NO, he saved the "union" at the expense of state rights.

He saved America - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


The confederacy lost. Get over it.

No shit the confederacy lost. Actually, we all lost. Because that is where the states became nothign more than ceremonial to the all mighty federal power. It's been downhill from there for liberty.

 

[BluePhantom]

I would have to say JFK. Disastrous foreign policy that emboldened Khrushchev and never got a single major piece of legislation through congress. His chances for re-election were almost zero...after he got shot THEN everyone acted like he walked on water and was this fantastic president. In reality he was a disaster.

 

[Unkotare]

NO, he saved the "union" at the expense of state rights.

He saved America - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


The confederacy lost. Get over it.

No shit the confederacy lost. Actually, we all lost.

No, just the confederacy. The North didn't lose and the slaves sure as hell didn't lose. The UNION won.

 

[regent]

Well the Reagan administration did one major thing better, it had more convictions for corruption than even the Nixon administration. 138 to 43. I wonder if the Gipper had a 3 by 5 card with a cute saying for presidential corruption?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

He saved America - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


The confederacy lost. Get over it.

No shit the confederacy lost. Actually, we all lost.

No, just the confederacy. The North didn't lose and the slaves sure as hell didn't lose. The UNION won.

Spoken like a true statist.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Well the Reagan administration did one major thing better, it had more convictions for corruption than even the Nixon administration. 138 to 43. I wonder if the Gipper had a 3 by 5 card with a cute saying for presidential corruption?

he had a VP willing to pardon all his criminal henchmen

The following is a list of the 75 pardons and 3 commutations by President George H. W. Bush. The list is organized by the date on which President George H. W. Bush granted the pardon or commutation.

This list is a subset of the list of people pardoned by a United States president

List of people pardoned by George H. W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Unkotare]

No shit the confederacy lost. Actually, we all lost.

No, just the confederacy. The North didn't lose and the slaves sure as hell didn't lose. The UNION won.

Spoken like a true statist.

You mean spoken like a true AMERICAN.

 

[rightwinger]

I would have to say JFK. Disastrous foreign policy that emboldened Khrushchev and never got a single major piece of legislation through congress. His chances for re-election were almost zero...after he got shot THEN everyone acted like he walked on water and was this fantastic president. In reality he was a disaster.

His chances for re-election were close to zero?

Against Goldwater?

 

[BluePhantom]

Well the Reagan administration did one major thing better, it had more convictions for corruption than even the Nixon administration. 138 to 43. I wonder if the Gipper had a 3 by 5 card with a cute saying for presidential corruption?

he had a VP willing to pardon all his criminal henchmen

The following is a list of the 75 pardons and 3 commutations by President George H. W. Bush. The list is organized by the date on which President George H. W. Bush granted the pardon or commutation.

This list is a subset of the list of people pardoned by a United States president

List of people pardoned by George H. W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kind of pales next to the 459 people pardoned by Clinton don't you think?

 

[BluePhantom]

I would have to say JFK. Disastrous foreign policy that emboldened Khrushchev and never got a single major piece of legislation through congress. His chances for re-election were almost zero...after he got shot THEN everyone acted like he walked on water and was this fantastic president. In reality he was a disaster.

His chances for re-election were close to zero?

Against Goldwater?

Hard to tell who would have won that election. The campaign strategies would have been totally different. After JFK got shot he was canonized. The same people who were bitching about him a week before were suddenly talking like he was the greatest thing since the wheel. LBJ rode that popularity into the White House, which of course was a very smart political move, and it was difficult for the Republicans to make an attack since it could be twisted as showing disrespect to a murdered president.

Had JFK not been killed, there's a reasonable argument to be made that IF he was re-elected it certainly would not have been the crushing that the 1964 election was.

 

[rightwinger]

I would have to say JFK. Disastrous foreign policy that emboldened Khrushchev and never got a single major piece of legislation through congress. His chances for re-election were almost zero...after he got shot THEN everyone acted like he walked on water and was this fantastic president. In reality he was a disaster.

His chances for re-election were close to zero?

Against Goldwater?

Hard to tell who would have won that election. The campaign strategies would have been totally different. After JFK got shot he was canonized. The same people who were bitching about him a week before were suddenly talking like he was the greatest thing since the wheel. LBJ rode that popularity into the White House, which of course was a very smart political move, and it was difficult for the Republicans to make an attack since it could be twisted as showing disrespect to a murdered president.

Had JFK not been killed, there's a reasonable argument to be made that IF he was re-elected it certainly would not have been the crushing that the 1964 election was.

I can agree that JFK was martyred but he was still a popular and charasmatic president. The GOP field was weak...Goldwater and Rockefeller. Neither would have looked good side by side with Kennedy. VietNam had not happened yet and Civil Rights had not kicked off in high gear.
Kennedys legacy if he had brought us down the same path in VietNam would have been a disaster

 

[there4eyeM]

What president was more stupid than 'W'?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Well the Reagan administration did one major thing better, it had more convictions for corruption than even the Nixon administration. 138 to 43. I wonder if the Gipper had a 3 by 5 card with a cute saying for presidential corruption?

he had a VP willing to pardon all his criminal henchmen

The following is a list of the 75 pardons and 3 commutations by President George H. W. Bush. The list is organized by the date on which President George H. W. Bush granted the pardon or commutation.

This list is a subset of the list of people pardoned by a United States president

List of people pardoned by George H. W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kind of pales next to the 459 people pardoned by Clinton don't you think?

It's about pardoning your fellow criminals. Bush pardoned Reagan cabinet officials he served with.

So your defense of Reagan Administration criminal behavior is that President Clinton pardoned more people than Reagan's VP did when he had the chance?

How many Clinton cabinet officials were convicted of crimes?

 

[Billo_Really]

Ronald Reagan was the most over-rated President of all-time.

 

[Unkotare]

What president was more stupid than 'W'?

And I suppose you think you are smarter than President Bush?

 

[Billo_Really]

What president was more stupid than 'W'?

And I suppose you think you are smarter than President Bush?

I dunno, you tell me.

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[there4eyeM]

What president was more stupid than 'W'?

And I suppose you think you are smarter than President Bush?

Think would mean doubt..