Who is the most over-rated president of all-time?

Who is the most over-rated president of all-time?

  • Abraham Lincoln (#1 Ranking)

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • Franklin D. Roosevelt (#2 Ranking)

    Votes: 15 21.1%
  • George Washington (#3 Ranking)

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Thomas Jefferson (#4 Ranking)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Theodore Roosevelt (#5 Ranking)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Woodrow Wilson (#6 Ranking)

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Harry Truman (#7 Ranking)

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Andrew Jackson (T-#8 Ranking)

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower (T-#8 Ranking)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Other (Explain in your post)

    Votes: 29 40.8%

  • Total voters
    71
It's funny how we get the lib line: "It's 50 years before you can adequately judge a president" when we talk about Clinton or Obama, but they're all too willing to harshly judge Reagan. Typical lib bull shit.


Id happily wait if you folks wouldnt revere the man like he was the messiah. ( Thats clearly Obama, right? :) )

Reagan was a damn good President ( even if I disagee with his policies ) but no where near what you folks paint him to be. Hence, overrated.
 
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Most historians think Eisenhower is underrated.

Most historians are right on that.But shouldnt they then rate him higher?

He is rated eighth. Hard to be rated higher in a period of relative peace. Following FDR and Truman is tough also

ahem...Korea. He ended it by scaring the bejebus out of China. Implemented the desegragation of the armed forces ( originally ordered by Truman in 48 ), signed the civil rights acts of 57 and 60, expanded social security and he said this:

I have just one purpose...and that is to build up a strong progressive Republican Party in this country. If the right wing wants a fight, they are going to get it...before I end up, either this Republican Party will reflect progressivism or I won't be with them anymore."[
 
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Overrated to me means, credit and adoration given versus actual accomplishments? Kennedy. Has to be. Truman second, and Eisenhower third.

Most historians think Eisenhower is underrated.

You are about 20 years behind the curve as regards academia. The real wave of positive Eisenhower revisionism ("hidden hand presidency" and such) dates from the mate 80's and early 90's of the previous century. The pro-eisenhower wave has run its course however. And while he was a good President, I don't think he was really very great.
 
And it's still there FDR rated by 238 historians and presidential experts as America's greatest president.

PS, also elected four times by the America people.

(Save a poster the trouble)
Of course historians, scientists, college professors are all commie-socialists and don't eat their veggies.

Presidential experts? Now that's funny, must be an eight year degree.

Hell yea....noted presidential scholars can't hold a candle to Republican revisionist history

Actually, "scholars" have a demonstrated capacity for being every bit as wrong as anybody else.
 
It's easily FDR. Everything that is f'd up about our society is traced to him. And it was his policies that extended a recession into The Great Depression. And he was asleep at the wheel on Pearl Harbor. And his apathy led to Hitler's dominance and consequently millions in casualties. All of that, and the idiot "historians" and liberals celebrate him as the second best president when he's really the worst ever. You can't get more over-rated than that.

It couldn't have been Hoover's three years of inaction that extended the Great Depression?

Asleep at the wheel? He was trying to do everything short of war to rein in the Japanese. It was the local commander that was asleep at the wheel. He knew it and took off his stars immediately.

Apathy towards Hitler? He recognized the danger, but had to deal with people, including the Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to turn a blind eye to what was happening in Europe.

Actually, while I agree with you that FDR is NOT overrated, each of your statements is factually incorrect:

Hoover was not inactive, quite the contrary.

OK, bad actions. He signed a tariff that hampered international trade. He also did something that today's conservatives would have screamed about, raising corporate taxes and the top income tax bracket from 25 to 63%.
 
It couldn't have been Hoover's three years of inaction that extended the Great Depression?

Asleep at the wheel? He was trying to do everything short of war to rein in the Japanese. It was the local commander that was asleep at the wheel. He knew it and took off his stars immediately.

Apathy towards Hitler? He recognized the danger, but had to deal with people, including the Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to turn a blind eye to what was happening in Europe.

Actually, while I agree with you that FDR is NOT overrated, each of your statements is factually incorrect:

Hoover was not inactive, quite the contrary.

OK, bad actions. He signed a tariff that hampered international trade. He also did something that today's conservatives would have screamed about, raising corporate taxes and the top income tax bracket from 25 to 63%.

And then the stock market crashed. Hmmm :clap2:
 
Actually, while I agree with you that FDR is NOT overrated, each of your statements is factually incorrect:

Hoover was not inactive, quite the contrary.

OK, bad actions. He signed a tariff that hampered international trade. He also did something that today's conservatives would have screamed about, raising corporate taxes and the top income tax bracket from 25 to 63%.

And then the stock market crashed. Hmmm :clap2:

NO, that was after the crash. Read some before shooting from the hip! :cool:
 
It couldn't have been Hoover's three years of inaction that extended the Great Depression?

Asleep at the wheel? He was trying to do everything short of war to rein in the Japanese. It was the local commander that was asleep at the wheel. He knew it and took off his stars immediately.

Apathy towards Hitler? He recognized the danger, but had to deal with people, including the Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to turn a blind eye to what was happening in Europe.

Actually, while I agree with you that FDR is NOT overrated, each of your statements is factually incorrect:

Hoover was not inactive, quite the contrary.

OK, bad actions. He signed a tariff that hampered international trade. He also did something that today's conservatives would have screamed about, raising corporate taxes and the top income tax bracket from 25 to 63%.

It's always handy if you actually know what you're talking about.

It's true that Hoover did sign the Smooth-Hawley-tariff act, even though he opposed it. It was however very popular at the time.

For the rest is was refeering to his massive public works programs. Much like Obama today he believed in stimulus through investment in infrastructure projects (Hoover Dam, San Francisco Bay Bridge, Los Angeles Aquaduct, etc. . He also set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to help state and local government, railroad projects, etc.

I'm not claiming Hoover's policies were succesful (they were not). But he was very interventionist (much like the current administration).
 
Actually, while I agree with you that FDR is NOT overrated, each of your statements is factually incorrect:

Hoover was not inactive, quite the contrary.

OK, bad actions. He signed a tariff that hampered international trade. He also did something that today's conservatives would have screamed about, raising corporate taxes and the top income tax bracket from 25 to 63%.

It's always handy if you actually know what you're talking about.

It's true that Hoover did sign the Smooth-Hawley-tariff act, even though he opposed it. It was however very popular at the time.

For the rest is was refeering to his massive public works programs. Much like Obama today he believed in stimulus through investment in infrastructure projects (Hoover Dam, San Francisco Bay Bridge, Los Angeles Aquaduct, etc. . He also set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to help state and local government, railroad projects, etc.

I'm not claiming Hoover's policies were succesful (they were not). But he was very interventionist (much like the current administration).

During the campaign Roosevelt condemned the very spending programs Hoover had initiated that he expanded on while in office.
 
Many people in FDR's White House admired Stalin and the USSR, which should come as no surprise because they worked directly for Uncle Joe
 
OK, bad actions. He signed a tariff that hampered international trade. He also did something that today's conservatives would have screamed about, raising corporate taxes and the top income tax bracket from 25 to 63%.

It's always handy if you actually know what you're talking about.

It's true that Hoover did sign the Smooth-Hawley-tariff act, even though he opposed it. It was however very popular at the time.

For the rest is was refeering to his massive public works programs. Much like Obama today he believed in stimulus through investment in infrastructure projects (Hoover Dam, San Francisco Bay Bridge, Los Angeles Aquaduct, etc. . He also set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to help state and local government, railroad projects, etc.

I'm not claiming Hoover's policies were succesful (they were not). But he was very interventionist (much like the current administration).

During the campaign Roosevelt condemned the very spending programs Hoover had initiated that he expanded on while in office.

yeah, yeah, yeah, And Republican Ronald Reagan promised smaller government and G.W. Bush promised to be a uniter and not a divider.


:rofl:
 
I vote for Obama. A very significant percentage of the population believes he will stop the rising of the seas, pay their mortgage and bills, and slash the deficit with a massive government power grab. Hell, for leading progressive idiots to believe in unicorns, he has been given a Nobel prize....
 
Andrew Jackson. Terrible human being! Screwed the Cherokee out of everything while ignoring a ruling from the Supreme Court not to do it. Yet this fiend graces our twenties and is lionized. Shameful wreck of a man.
 
Lincoln. He solidified the already over reaching authorities given to the federal govt when the constitution was ratified. He was a tyrant, plain and simple. And yet almost all of written history treats him as though he "saved America". The states should have been allowed to secede from the union without physical or economic violence.

After him, I'd go with FDR. For the same reasons. His programs were unconstitutional and he cheated to get them into law. They are a looming disaster today and yet, most main stream history holds this man up as some sort of savior of the country. He too was a tyrant.
 
I vote for Obama. A very significant percentage of the population believes he will stop the rising of the seas, pay their mortgage and bills, and slash the deficit with a massive government power grab. Hell, for leading progressive idiots to believe in unicorns, he has been given a Nobel prize....

That Nobel does in fact make a strong case for Obama being overrated. Its unbelievable to me he was awarded it. He had done NOTHING at the time. Even now I dont find his accomplishments deserving of a Nobel. That whole thing is just crazy.
 
NO, he saved the "union" at the expense of state rights. He consolidated powers through force and violence. rather than diplomatic negotiations. That's what tyrants do.
 
NO, he saved the "union" at the expense of state rights. He consolidated powers through force and violence. rather than diplomatic negotiations. That's what tyrants do.

He saved the union and that's what made America the nation it is today. A dissolved union would mean independent states negotiating who knows what treaties with foreign governments. Without the union, we could have fought the battles of World Wars I and II right here in North America and not Europe and Asia and Africa.

And those "state's rights" he abolished meant human beings could no longer be bought and sold. The least noble thing in a long line of ignoble things ever to come out of the Deep South.
 

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