Who is Responsible?

[Article 15]

So Bush, whom you blame, spent 5 trillion in 8 years. And that was bad. BUT Obama spending 6 trillion in 4 years is GOOD, right?

Bush saddled the Obama administration with a trillion dollar deficit, a -750,000 job/mo employment situation, and an economy losing 5% GDP a quarter yet jackasses like you have been trying to pretend that isn't the case and have been trying to sluff off Bush's failure and the ramifications of it onto Obama since day one.

Your boyfriend BOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH fucked the whole country.

Congress not the President creates the Budget. Congress not the President spends money, crates all tax increases and cuts and all spending bills. Remind us who controlled Congress from 2007 to 2011. The 4 years the most money was spent, the 4 years with the highest deficits. Remind us again who spent the money.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHH sent a three trillion dollar+ budget to Congress for FY2009. The economy went KAPUT under BOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHH and took in over a half a billion dollars less than expected revenue due to massive layoffs and tax revenue loss. That's how we wound up with a trillion dollar deficit. That's right it was your boy's budget.

It was also your GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP Congress that SHOVED TAX CUTS DOWN OUR THROATS VIA RECONCILIATION.

Remind us again how much revenue we lost over the years because of the BOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPP tax cuts.

 

[francoHFW]

Pubs didn't follow through on training and education to make us competitive in the new global market. Myopic idiots...

Ok, provide for us the Government programs, the authority and the power of the Federal Government to initiate JOB training, or education programs for jobs.

Be specific, cite for us the ones Obama and the Dems have created that did not exist or that Republicans canceled.

The hell with that, I'm not your mother. It's like Teddy and Booosh's no child left behind- but Booosh never followed up with any funding... Same with Clinton and Newt's NAFTA- NO FUNDING.

Hell, public college costs DOUBLED under BOOOOSH (and health costs)- Pubs are not the country's friend, dupe.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Pubs didn't follow through on training and education to make us competitive in the new global market. Myopic idiots...

Ok, provide for us the Government programs, the authority and the power of the Federal Government to initiate JOB training, or education programs for jobs.

Be specific, cite for us the ones Obama and the Dems have created that did not exist or that Republicans canceled.

The hell with that, I'm not your mother. It's like Teddy and Booosh's no child left behind- but Booosh never followed up with any funding... Same with Clinton and Newt's NAFTA- NO FUNDING.

Hell, public college costs DOUBLED under BOOOOSH (and health costs)- Pubs are not the country's friend, dupe.

In other words you can not support your claim and are simply making shit up. thanks for admitting it.

 

[Article 15]

If Republicans gave a fuck about the debt and deficit they wouldn't have implemented the tax cuts in 2001 /2003 and instead paid down the debt.

Dick Cheney would have also said that deficits matter. But to the GOP they don't. Well they do when a Dem is POTUS.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Bush saddled the Obama administration with a trillion dollar deficit, a -750,000 job/mo employment situation, and an economy losing 5% GDP a quarter yet jackasses like you have been trying to pretend that isn't the case and have been trying to sluff off Bush's failure and the ramifications of it onto Obama since day one.

Your boyfriend BOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH fucked the whole country.

Congress not the President creates the Budget. Congress not the President spends money, crates all tax increases and cuts and all spending bills. Remind us who controlled Congress from 2007 to 2011. The 4 years the most money was spent, the 4 years with the highest deficits. Remind us again who spent the money.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHH sent a three trillion dollar+ budget to Congress for FY2009. The economy went KAPUT under BOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHH and took in over a half a billion dollars less than expected revenue due to massive layoffs and tax revenue loss. That's how we wound up with a trillion dollar deficit. That's right it was your boy's budget.

It was also your GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP Congress that SHOVED TAX CUTS DOWN OUR THROATS VIA RECONCILIATION.

Remind us again how much revenue we lost over the years because of the BOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPP tax cuts.

Ok so using YOUR stated logic, the President is ALWAYS responsible for what ever budget gets passed. So explain why Obama has presided over the 4 largest deficits in history? I mean you just said it is the President not Congress that creates the Budget every year, that spends the mjoney.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok, provide for us the Government programs, the authority and the power of the Federal Government to initiate JOB training, or education programs for jobs.

Be specific, cite for us the ones Obama and the Dems have created that did not exist or that Republicans canceled.

The hell with that, I'm not your mother. It's like Teddy and Booosh's no child left behind- but Booosh never followed up with any funding... Same with Clinton and Newt's NAFTA- NO FUNDING.

Hell, public college costs DOUBLED under BOOOOSH (and health costs)- Pubs are not the country's friend, dupe.

In other words you can not support your claim and are simply making shit up. thanks for admitting it.

Change the channel and read something. Wiki is good.

 

[francoHFW]

Maybe tomorrow. Good night, sleep well, dupe.

 

[Article 15]

Congress not the President creates the Budget. Congress not the President spends money, crates all tax increases and cuts and all spending bills. Remind us who controlled Congress from 2007 to 2011. The 4 years the most money was spent, the 4 years with the highest deficits. Remind us again who spent the money.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHH sent a three trillion dollar+ budget to Congress for FY2009. The economy went KAPUT under BOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHH and took in over a half a billion dollars less than expected revenue due to massive layoffs and tax revenue loss. That's how we wound up with a trillion dollar deficit. That's right it was your boy's budget.

It was also your GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP Congress that SHOVED TAX CUTS DOWN OUR THROATS VIA RECONCILIATION.

Remind us again how much revenue we lost over the years because of the BOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPP tax cuts.

Ok so using YOUR stated logic, the President is ALWAYS responsible for what ever budget gets passed. So explain why Obama has presided over the 4 largest deficits in history? I mean you just said it is the President not Congress that creates the Budget every year, that spends the mjoney.

It looks like I have to repeat myself as you seem to think that each budget exists in a vacuum:

Bush saddled the Obama administration with a trillion dollar deficit, a -750,000 job/mo employment situation, and an economy losing 5% GDP a quarter yet jackasses like you have been trying to pretend that isn't the case and have been trying to sluff off Bush's failure and the ramifications of it onto Obama since day one.

Your boyfriend BOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH fucked the whole country.

This is why you morons aren't going to win the White House in November. When you try to attack Obama on the economy with this disingenuous bullshit you are spouting off you are going to find that all roads lead to BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSHHHHHHHHHH.

 

[francoHFW]

#25-Can you read? GOP! Ay caramba.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

2 of the boards STUPIDEST liberals arguing that somehow the President creates budgets, that he runs the committees and passes the legislation. That he spends the money.

I suggest both of you take a class on how the Federal Government works.

By the way Article 15? Bush did not sign a Budget in 2008. the 2009 Budget was not signed until the middle of 2009 BY Obama. As for what Bush ask for that included the bail out that YOU claim was needed that you insist is still needed, that MORE stimulus such as that should occur.

Hypocrite, idiot and liar all apply. As well as Partisan hack.

 

[Article 15]

2 of the boards STUPIDEST liberals arguing that somehow the President creates budgets, that he runs the committees and passes the legislation. That he spends the money.

I suggest both of you take a class on how the Federal Government works.

By the way Article 15? Bush did not sign a Budget in 2008. the 2009 Budget was not signed until the middle of 2009 BY Obama. As for what Bush ask for that included the bail out that YOU claim was needed that you insist is still needed, that MORE stimulus such as that should occur.

Hypocrite, idiot and liar all apply. As well as Partisan hack.

Obama added 450 billion on top of the BOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH trillion dollar deficit in an effort to lift back up the failing economy BOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHH left behind.

Thankfully, it worked and the economy has been growing and unemployment has been shrinking despite the drag on it caused by all of the public sector layoffs.

Now remind us again what BOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHH's balls taste like.

 

[Article 15]

Bush saddled the Obama administration with a trillion dollar deficit, a -750,000 job/mo employment situation, and an economy losing 5% GDP a quarter yet jackasses like you have been trying to pretend that isn't the case and have been trying to sluff off Bush's failure and the ramifications of it onto Obama since day one.

Your boyfriend BOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH fucked the whole country.

 

[Article 15]

The estimated revenue loss of the BOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH tax cuts is three trillion dollars.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Who is responsible for the money the Government spends in deficit?

The President? The Congress?

Both, and also the people who let this nonsense continue, either because they don't understand what it's doing to our nation and our future, or because they're too apathetic to care, or they're so avaricious and selfish that they want to advance their own agendas no matter the cost to everyone else.

This is a republic, which means the people ALWAYS come in for a share of the responsibility.

 

[Article 15]

Iraq was another trillion.

Wow.

Imagine where we would be today if BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHH had practiced fiscal responsibility.

 

[Article 15]

Have a good night, people.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[RetiredGySgt]

2 of the boards STUPIDEST liberals arguing that somehow the President creates budgets, that he runs the committees and passes the legislation. That he spends the money.

I suggest both of you take a class on how the Federal Government works.

By the way Article 15? Bush did not sign a Budget in 2008. the 2009 Budget was not signed until the middle of 2009 BY Obama. As for what Bush ask for that included the bail out that YOU claim was needed that you insist is still needed, that MORE stimulus such as that should occur.

Hypocrite, idiot and liar all apply. As well as Partisan hack.

Obama added 450 billion on top of the BOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH trillion dollar deficit in an effort to lift back up the failing economy BOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHH left behind.

Thankfully, it worked and the economy has been growing and unemployment has been shrinking despite the drag on it caused by all of the public sector layoffs.

Now remind us again what BOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHH's balls taste like.

Once again since you have made the claim the President not Congress somehow creates budgets and spends money we can all blame Obama for the 6trillion deficit over the last 4 years, as much as Bush spent in 8 years. Thanks for proving by your own claims Obama is responsible for the 6trillion deficit, twice as fast as Bush spent.

By the way Article 15? Who controlled both Houses of Congress in 2008? Who ran the committees, the sub committees and who decided what bills would even go to committee? Which party in 2008 decided how much the Government would spend? A Republican President? Or a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate?

The 8 years under Bush which Party controlled the Congress? Here let me remind you In 2001 to 2002 the Senate was run ( except for 6 months) by the Democrats. In 2007 and 2008 both Houses were run by the Democrats. So for 4 of the years Bush was President the Democrats determined what bills went forward to committee, this would include ALL budget bills.

Now lets look at Obama's 4 years. 2009 and 2010 the democrats had control of Both Houses. In 2011 and 2012 the Republicans controlled the House. BUT no budget was passed either year, rather continuing resolutions were used because neither house could agree with the other. Which means the last Budget passed was in 2009 BY THE DEMOCRATS. and they are responsible for all 4 years budgets.

Lets go BACK to Bush's 8 years. Which 2 years of the 8 saw the largest increase in Government spending? 2007 and 2008. Who Controlled both Houses of Congress then? Who decided what bills went to committee? Who had majorities in all committees in both Houses and majority total in both houses?

You are beyond stupid.

 

[Middleoftheroad]

The main driver of the deficit was the almost universal practice of using our power to borrow both individually and collectively as a nation to mitigate the economic effects of stagnant wages for 30+ years. Who's to blame for stagnation? Wall Street of course. Who made American debt our biggest import? Wall Street again. Easy credit was the carrot and the stick was outsourcing jobs to third world shitholes. Labor had no leverage in such a situation and there are no signs we will ever regain the ability to demand higher wages. Wall Street won the greatest long con in history, getting us to trade a vibrant middle class for Chinese crap and ruinous credit cards.

Labor had no Leverage?

OMG you are a fool. It was labors Leverage that lead to the Jobs being moved over seas, that and Government Regulations and Taxes. Business goes where it makes Economic Sense to be, We ain't it.

While your hypothesis is indeed intuitive, it does not accurately reflect the data. In fact there has been a reverse correlation between labor unions and shipping jobs oversees. Labor unions hit their high marks in the 50's and 60's. Since then labor unions have been falling, and quite dramatically I might add. Outsourcing of jobs didn't start until the 80's, when labor union percentages had already decreased by half of the high's.

The Dramatic Rise And Fall Of Labor Unions In One Chart - Business Insider

Today in the private sector, only 7% of employees are part of labor unions. Down from from 30% at its peak. Blaming todays problems on labor unions is a joke, as they are pretty much dead.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Pubs didn't follow through on training and education to make us competitive in the new global market. Myopic idiots...

So what Franco is trying to tell us here is that it is NEITHER the President NOR the Congress who is responsible. It is the REPUBLICANS who are responsible; always and only the Republicans. Whichever branch of government the Republicans currently control, THAT is the branch which is responsible at that moment. And if they control neither, well, they're STILL responsible, through some sort of nefarious scheme to blackmail and arm-twist whoever IS in control.

Boy, I wish I could be measured and reasoned and logical like Franco, don't you?

 

[Disturbed9]

Eliminate the porkfat garbage from the budget and foreign spending to hostile and socialist nations. Get rid of entitlements and redistribution. Allow people to keep what they earn. Viola!! We now maybe heading in the right direction.