Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[Rehmani]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let the examination begin!

Let's talk about your question!

1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?

• Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.

(COMMENT)

Hummm: The United Palestine

I wasn't trying to beat numbers --- heavens no! The Palestinian Refugee Numbers are the only refugees that actually grew in size. What I was asking is how the Palestinians define themselves? What distinguishes them from other populations?

2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?

• The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not a fact.

Palestine was an undefined area under the Ottoman Empire; territory under the greater governmental region of Syria. In the post-WWI Era, Palestine had to be defined by the Allied Powers; and was defined to mean "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." Palestine was, in effect, not defined by either the Arab or the Palestinian, but "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers."

References:

• The Palestine Order in Council, 1922
• The Treaty of Sevres, 1920

In fact, it should be noted that the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that claims all of Palestine, more often than not, defines Palestine in reference to the boundaries established by the Allied Powers, as determined by Syke-Picot Agreement (1916) and further subdivided by the Mandatory Powers. Palestine is directly mentioned in the Treaty of Sevres, but not mentioned once in the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, July 24, 1923.

Oddly enough, during the Ottoman Empire Era, Gaza was a Sanjak (District) of the Damascus Eyalet (Province), Syria - Ottoman Empire. Its administrative center was Gaza City. What the Palestinians call "Palestine," as the former territory under Mandate, is more correctly called the former Sanjak of Gaza.

Today (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012), the UN Recalls also its resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988, by which it, inter alia, acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988 and decided that the designation “Palestine” should be used in place of the designation “Palestine Liberation Organization” in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system; referring to the territory occupied since 1967. Thus, for the first time since the Palestine Order in Council (1922), the meaning of "Palestine" has changed FROM: are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine --- TO: the territory occupied since 1967.

3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?

(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment and recognition that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated, by Resolution at the Seventh Arab Summit, Rabat, Morocco 28 october 1974, there was no recognized government for Palestine. The Palestinians in the West Bank had, through their "right of self-determination," approved Annexation into the Hashemite Kingdom in 1950. And the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian Occupation until 1967. In 1967, the Egyptian Occupation was pushed-out of Gaza, and the Jordanian Forces were forced back across the Jordan River. In 1988, the HM the King of Jordan, dissolved the Annexation of the West Bank, and the PLO, using the "right of self-determination" again, declared Independence.

As we move forward in time to the present, we see that today, the UN Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine (Insert A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988).

4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.​

(COMMENT)

Central to the theme of "entering into relations with other states" (Article 1d, Montevideo Treaty which discusses the definition, rights and rights of statehood) is the concepts behind the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

• • 
    Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.
  
  Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
  
  Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; [A/RES/2/110 (1947)]

5. Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the
purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles
of the United Nations; [S/RES/1373 (2001)]

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State. [A/RES/25/2625 (1970)]
​

While the Gaza Strip and West Bank have demarcation lines rather than a permanent borders, the respect accorded is exactly the same under International Law until such time as the are finalized through negotiations.

The problem here is not about the territorial dispute, but the fact that the Hostile Arab Palestinian cannot demonstrate that they can enter into a productive and peaceful negotiated effort to resolve the differences.

Article Thirteen: [Hamas Covenant (1988)]

• Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

ITEM Nineteen: [Hamas Political Positions (2013)]

• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

There is no significant difference between the positions held by the HAMAS of 1988 and the HAMAS of today; nor has there been any significant progress in developing a "productive" Friendly and Co-operative relationship between the two States, in the last quarter century.

Most Respectfully,
R​

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

Confucius say; "Man who fly upside down have crack up."

"Man born upside down, stand up, fly up."

 

[RoccoR]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let us address this one point at a time.

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land

(COMMENT)

I try to express the points with the appropriate annotation or evidence that you can digest for yourself. I try to present the facts.

There was no Jewish "Invasion." There was Jewish "Immigration" under the Palestine Order in Council and the Mandate for Palestine.

but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not the condition or law set at the end of WWI. The entire landscape, less Turkey, was enemy held territory by the Allied Powers. It was actually up to the Allied Powers how the post-War region would be administered and managed. The indigenous people did not have the same rights then (very early 20th Century), as they would have today (very early 21st Century). In fact, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was not adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 61/295 until September 2007. And in fact the UN affirms that "indigenous peoples are equal to all other peoples, while recognizing the right of all peoples to be different, to consider themselves different, and to be respected as such." That is to say that your idea that those "who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain" is not the criteria you should consider. The indigenous people have no more rights than the legitimate immigrant of permanent residence.

Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine (according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

(COMMENT)

In fact, the Jewish Community did not "divide the region and the people in small parts and groups." The adopted Partition Plan [General Assembly Resolution 181(II)] was a product recommendation of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in the form of a "majority proposal." Lebanon became independent on release from the French Mandate and the adoption of the National Pact; while Jordan became independent on the release frm the British Mandate and adoption of the Anglo-Trans-Jordanian Treaty.

You should also dispense with the idea that Palestine was occupied by the Israeli. In 1948, the Jewish Agency, having cooperated with the UN Palestine Commission, and following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," exercised their right to self-determination under the procedures outlined by the UN; and declared independence.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts.

(COMMENT)

Make no mistake, the apportionment in the Two-State Solution that the Partition Plan represents was not that devised by the Jewish Agency, but adopted upon recommendation of the UNSCOP.

The conflict (some equate to a Civil War) was opened in the original Threat Letter from the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in February, 1948; even before the State of Israel had been established. The Letter says in part:

History will then record that the United Nations, which was meant to be an instrument of peace and justice, is being used as an instrument of war and aggression.

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.

(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The letter is quite clear. It constitutes the announcement of Open Hostilities in opposition to the will of the General Assembly.

Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

(COMMENT)

This, IMHO, is nothing more than Islamic rhetoric which has no bearing on the issues in play. The Hostile Arab Palestinian opened the war, and now suffers the consequences of their continued inability and capacity to participate in a good-faith process towards a peaceful solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let us address this one point at a time.

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land

(COMMENT)

I try to express the points with the appropriate annotation or evidence that you can digest for yourself. I try to present the facts.

There was no Jewish "Invasion." There was Jewish "Immigration" under the Palestine Order in Council and the Mandate for Palestine.

but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not the condition or law set at the end of WWI. The entire landscape, less Turkey, was enemy held territory by the Allied Powers. It was actually up to the Allied Powers how the post-War region would be administered and managed. The indigenous people did not have the same rights then (very early 20th Century), as they would have today (very early 21st Century). In fact, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was not adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 61/295 until September 2007. And in fact the UN affirms that "indigenous peoples are equal to all other peoples, while recognizing the right of all peoples to be different, to consider themselves different, and to be respected as such." That is to say that your idea that those "who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain" is not the criteria you should consider. The indigenous people have no more rights than the legitimate immigrant of permanent residence.

Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine (according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

(COMMENT)

In fact, the Jewish Community did not "divide the region and the people in small parts and groups." The adopted Partition Plan [General Assembly Resolution 181(II)] was a product recommendation of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in the form of a "majority proposal." Lebanon became independent on release from the French Mandate and the adoption of the National Pact; while Jordan became independent on the release frm the British Mandate and adoption of the Anglo-Trans-Jordanian Treaty.

You should also dispense with the idea that Palestine was occupied by the Israeli. In 1948, the Jewish Agency, having cooperated with the UN Palestine Commission, and following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," exercised their right to self-determination under the procedures outlined by the UN; and declared independence.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts.

(COMMENT)

Make no mistake, the apportionment in the Two-State Solution that the Partition Plan represents was not that devised by the Jewish Agency, but adopted upon recommendation of the UNSCOP.

The conflict (some equate to a Civil War) was opened in the original Threat Letter from the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in February, 1948; even before the State of Israel had been established. The Letter says in part:

History will then record that the United Nations, which was meant to be an instrument of peace and justice, is being used as an instrument of war and aggression.

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.

(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The letter is quite clear. It constitutes the announcement of Open Hostilities in opposition to the will of the General Assembly.

Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

(COMMENT)

This, IMHO, is nothing more than Islamic rhetoric which has no bearing on the issues in play. The Hostile Arab Palestinian opened the war, and now suffers the consequences of their continued inability and capacity to participate in a good-faith process towards a peaceful solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Start a conflict, get creamed in retaliation & then bitch about it. It's all part of Palestinian mentality.

 

[Beelzebub]

Are you talking 'Vietnam' again Hoss?

Boy, you still bitter?!

 

[Hossfly]

Are you talking 'Vietnam' again Hoss?

Boy, you still bitter?!

?

 

[MJB12741]

Are you talking 'Vietnam' again Hoss?

Boy, you still bitter?!

Hey Beelze, why is it that not a single surrounding Arab country wants Palestinians? Boy, that''s a tough question, huh?

Are you talking 'Vietnam' again Hoss?

Boy, you still bitter?!

?[/QUOTE

Oh how furious the Palestinians & their supporters get after Israel retaliates. Yo Hamas, keep them rocket missiles comin'!

 

[Beelzebub]

Many reasons.
Why would France not want all the Italians to come over, or the British want all the Germans?

They are different people. Refugees cost money. Millions of new citizens who didn't choose to be there can be disruptive to a society. And there is also recognition that Palestinians are loyal to the concept of BEING Palestinian. So they would be an alien diaspora making crowded areas even tighter on water, jobs, utilities, etc.

You didn't think that through before you asked the question, did you MJB?

 

[MJB12741]

Many reasons.
Why would France not want all the Italians to come over, or the British want all the Germans?

They are different people. Refugees cost money. Millions of new citizens who didn't choose to be there can be disruptive to a society. And there is also recognition that Palestinians are loyal to the concept of BEING Palestinian. So they would be an alien diaspora making crowded areas even tighter on water, jobs, utilities, etc.

You didn't think that through before you asked the question, did you MJB?

Didn't you hear the latest news? You see, Egypt just offered the Palestinans a Palestinian State in the Sinai. Finally the Palestinians can escapre Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions keeping them to remain in Israel. But Palestinian mentality being what it is, I'll bet ya Egypt's wonderful proposal to help the Palestinians will be rejected.

 

[Beelzebub]

You mean the story put out that everyone involved in has denied?

You are a bad liar MJB. And when you have had so much practice, too.

 

[MJB12741]

You mean the story put out that everyone involved in has denied?

You are a bad liar MJB. And when you have had so much practice, too.

Well,maybe you are right. Such an offer would have been total stupidity by Egypt.

 

[Rehmani]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let us address this one point at a time.

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land

(COMMENT)

I try to express the points with the appropriate annotation or evidence that you can digest for yourself. I try to present the facts.

There was no Jewish "Invasion." There was Jewish "Immigration" under the Palestine Order in Council and the Mandate for Palestine.

but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not the condition or law set at the end of WWI. The entire landscape, less Turkey, was enemy held territory by the Allied Powers. It was actually up to the Allied Powers how the post-War region would be administered and managed. The indigenous people did not have the same rights then (very early 20th Century), as they would have today (very early 21st Century). In fact, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was not adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 61/295 until September 2007. And in fact the UN affirms that "indigenous peoples are equal to all other peoples, while recognizing the right of all peoples to be different, to consider themselves different, and to be respected as such." That is to say that your idea that those "who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain" is not the criteria you should consider. The indigenous people have no more rights than the legitimate immigrant of permanent residence.

Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine (according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

(COMMENT)

In fact, the Jewish Community did not "divide the region and the people in small parts and groups." The adopted Partition Plan [General Assembly Resolution 181(II)] was a product recommendation of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in the form of a "majority proposal." Lebanon became independent on release from the French Mandate and the adoption of the National Pact; while Jordan became independent on the release frm the British Mandate and adoption of the Anglo-Trans-Jordanian Treaty.

You should also dispense with the idea that Palestine was occupied by the Israeli. In 1948, the Jewish Agency, having cooperated with the UN Palestine Commission, and following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," exercised their right to self-determination under the procedures outlined by the UN; and declared independence.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts.

(COMMENT)

Make no mistake, the apportionment in the Two-State Solution that the Partition Plan represents was not that devised by the Jewish Agency, but adopted upon recommendation of the UNSCOP.

The conflict (some equate to a Civil War) was opened in the original Threat Letter from the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in February, 1948; even before the State of Israel had been established. The Letter says in part:

History will then record that the United Nations, which was meant to be an instrument of peace and justice, is being used as an instrument of war and aggression.

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.

(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The letter is quite clear. It constitutes the announcement of Open Hostilities in opposition to the will of the General Assembly.

Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

(COMMENT)

This, IMHO, is nothing more than Islamic rhetoric which has no bearing on the issues in play. The Hostile Arab Palestinian opened the war, and now suffers the consequences of their continued inability and capacity to participate in a good-faith process towards a peaceful solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Let's say if I digest your comments as you said that Allied Forces

@Rehmani, et al,

Let us address this one point at a time.

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land

(COMMENT)

I try to express the points with the appropriate annotation or evidence that you can digest for yourself. I try to present the facts.

There was no Jewish "Invasion." There was Jewish "Immigration" under the Palestine Order in Council and the Mandate for Palestine.

but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not the condition or law set at the end of WWI. The entire landscape, less Turkey, was enemy held territory by the Allied Powers. It was actually up to the Allied Powers how the post-War region would be administered and managed. The indigenous people did not have the same rights then (very early 20th Century), as they would have today (very early 21st Century). In fact, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was not adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 61/295 until September 2007. And in fact the UN affirms that "indigenous peoples are equal to all other peoples, while recognizing the right of all peoples to be different, to consider themselves different, and to be respected as such." That is to say that your idea that those "who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain" is not the criteria you should consider. The indigenous people have no more rights than the legitimate immigrant of permanent residence.

Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine (according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

(COMMENT)

In fact, the Jewish Community did not "divide the region and the people in small parts and groups." The adopted Partition Plan [General Assembly Resolution 181(II)] was a product recommendation of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in the form of a "majority proposal." Lebanon became independent on release from the French Mandate and the adoption of the National Pact; while Jordan became independent on the release frm the British Mandate and adoption of the Anglo-Trans-Jordanian Treaty.

You should also dispense with the idea that Palestine was occupied by the Israeli. In 1948, the Jewish Agency, having cooperated with the UN Palestine Commission, and following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," exercised their right to self-determination under the procedures outlined by the UN; and declared independence.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts.

(COMMENT)

Make no mistake, the apportionment in the Two-State Solution that the Partition Plan represents was not that devised by the Jewish Agency, but adopted upon recommendation of the UNSCOP.

The conflict (some equate to a Civil War) was opened in the original Threat Letter from the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in February, 1948; even before the State of Israel had been established. The Letter says in part:

History will then record that the United Nations, which was meant to be an instrument of peace and justice, is being used as an instrument of war and aggression.

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.

(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The letter is quite clear. It constitutes the announcement of Open Hostilities in opposition to the will of the General Assembly.

Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

(COMMENT)

This, IMHO, is nothing more than Islamic rhetoric which has no bearing on the issues in play. The Hostile Arab Palestinian opened the war, and now suffers the consequences of their continued inability and capacity to participate in a good-faith process towards a peaceful solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

1).Roccer; Let's say If I digest as you said that"Roccer; " It was actually up to the Allied Powers how the post-War region would be administered and managed."
2).Roccer; "In fact, the Jewish Community did not "divide the region and the people in small parts and groups."
The adopted Partition Plan [General Assembly Resolution 181(II)] was a product recommendation of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in the form of a "majority proposal." Lebanon became independent on release from the French Mandate and the adoption of the National Pact; while Jordan became independent on the release frm the British Mandate and adoption of the Anglo-Trans-Jordanian Treaty."
3).Roccer; "Make no mistake, the apportionment in the Two-State Solution that the Partition Plan represents was not that devised by the Jewish Agency, but adopted upon recommendation of the UNSCOP."

@Rehmani, et al,
4).Roccer;This, IMHO, is nothing more than Islamic rhetoric which has no bearing on the issues in play. The Hostile Arab Palestinian opened the war, and now suffers the consequences of their continued inability and capacity to participate in a good-faith process towards a peaceful solution.

ffice Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
1.(COMMENT) It means if tomorrow history will repeat itself and Allied Powers change their mind in favor of United Palestine, then Jews should not have problem to accept the facts and follow the new order.
2.(COMMENT) What actually you are trying to pose that Jews are peace loving people and they are following the rule describe the by U.N.O. But changing the RULER MANDATE (U.K,FRANCE) and refusing to accept U.N.O. new orders, to go back to 1967 border and let the settle 4 or 5 millions displace Palestinian in their old home in Israel and refusing the peace deal by Arab League followed by the USA VETO.
3/4.(COMMENTS) Included in 1/2 and a post from Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State.

THIS COMMENTS ONLY FOR JEWS TO FREE THEMSELVES / ONLY JEWS REPLY.
Jews, Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

 

[Rehmani]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let us address this one point at a time.

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land

(COMMENT)

I try to express the points with the appropriate annotation or evidence that you can digest for yourself. I try to present the facts.

There was no Jewish "Invasion." There was Jewish "Immigration" under the Palestine Order in Council and the Mandate for Palestine.

but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not the condition or law set at the end of WWI. The entire landscape, less Turkey, was enemy held territory by the Allied Powers. It was actually up to the Allied Powers how the post-War region would be administered and managed. The indigenous people did not have the same rights then (very early 20th Century), as they would have today (very early 21st Century). In fact, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was not adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 61/295 until September 2007. And in fact the UN affirms that "indigenous peoples are equal to all other peoples, while recognizing the right of all peoples to be different, to consider themselves different, and to be respected as such." That is to say that your idea that those "who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain" is not the criteria you should consider. The indigenous people have no more rights than the legitimate immigrant of permanent residence.

Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine (according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

(COMMENT)

In fact, the Jewish Community did not "divide the region and the people in small parts and groups." The adopted Partition Plan [General Assembly Resolution 181(II)] was a product recommendation of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in the form of a "majority proposal." Lebanon became independent on release from the French Mandate and the adoption of the National Pact; while Jordan became independent on the release frm the British Mandate and adoption of the Anglo-Trans-Jordanian Treaty.

You should also dispense with the idea that Palestine was occupied by the Israeli. In 1948, the Jewish Agency, having cooperated with the UN Palestine Commission, and following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," exercised their right to self-determination under the procedures outlined by the UN; and declared independence.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts.

(COMMENT)

Make no mistake, the apportionment in the Two-State Solution that the Partition Plan represents was not that devised by the Jewish Agency, but adopted upon recommendation of the UNSCOP.

The conflict (some equate to a Civil War) was opened in the original Threat Letter from the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in February, 1948; even before the State of Israel had been established. The Letter says in part:

History will then record that the United Nations, which was meant to be an instrument of peace and justice, is being used as an instrument of war and aggression.

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.

(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The letter is quite clear. It constitutes the announcement of Open Hostilities in opposition to the will of the General Assembly.

Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

(COMMENT)

This, IMHO, is nothing more than Islamic rhetoric which has no bearing on the issues in play. The Hostile Arab Palestinian opened the war, and now suffers the consequences of their continued inability and capacity to participate in a good-faith process towards a peaceful solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Start a conflict, get creamed in retaliation & then bitch about it. It's all part of Palestinian mentality.

This is fact; you can not beat the numbers and can not change the facts. Be real please.

ffice Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
1.(COMMENT) It means if tomorrow history will repeat itself and Allied Powers change their mind in favor of United Palestine, then Jews should not have problem to accept the facts and follow the new order.
2.(COMMENT) What actually you are trying to pose that Jews are peace loving people and they are following the rule describe the by U.N.O. But changing the RULER MANDATE (U.K,FRANCE) and refusing to accept U.N.O. new orders, to go back to 1967 border and let the settle 4 or 5 millions displace Palestinian in their old home in Israel and refusing the peace deal by Arab League followed by the USA VETO.
3/4.(COMMENTS) Included in 1/2 and a post from Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State.

THIS COMMENTS ONLY FOR JEWS TO FREE THEMSELVES / ONLY JEWS REPLY.
Jews, Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

 

[Phoenall]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Its curious that you think killing civilians will help you. No doubt, that is why the IDF are instructed to target children and non-combatants. That you miss that the world sees what you are doing is your mistake. Each time, you turn another million or more against the fascist State of Israel, which knows no borders, to itself or decency.

In 1939 Europe could have avoided many many civilian casualties by allowing Nazi Germany to take nation after nation. But in time the cost would have been much much higher. Its just a pity we allowed Nazi Germany to transplant into Palestine.

But we have seen you now. Your time is limited.

You seen to think that killing Jews is the way to promote peace, and hope the world wont see through your bloodlust. A pity that we have so many similar ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST ENTITIES at work in the same area showing the world just how savage and barbaric they are. How they have no concern for their own people and will happily put them in harms way to safeguard themselves. The Nazis were already living in Palestine and had been since 632 C.E. they call themselves muslims but deep down they are ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM that preach all muslims are soldiers of allah and will fight or be killed. Yes Palestine's time is limited as the world is seeing the truth and reality behind the façade that is islam, and will start to fight back against ISLAMONAZI oppression.

 

[Phoenall]

You cannot cover that the 2000 (2200) dead were Palestinians, mostly non-combatants. But all opposing Israel's tyrannical and despotic rule.

So then you call them ALL terrorists.
You call for genocide.

You are a fascist, subsection, Zionist.

Read the reports and see that the majority were ISLAMONAZI TERRORISTS with less than 1% being non combatants. Now do produce the evidence of Israel's tyrannical and despotic rule of gaza, starting with the words of hamas " gaza is not occupied by Israel"

 

[Phoenall]

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY![/QUOTE]

Wow. Equating peace with death. I guess that makes sense in Israel, but ONLY in Israel. Helluva "negotiating" tactic.[/QUOTE]




It is the only reasoning the Palestinians know, look at Black September when Jordan executed all those Palestinian terrorists. Then Lebanon when the Christians did the same. Both times the Palestinians got the message and stopped their take over bids. So third time lucky and they might put down their weapons for good if there is another mass execution of Palestinian terrorists and decide to talk of peace.

 

[Phoenall]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let the examination begin!

Let's talk about your question!

1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?

• Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.

(COMMENT)

Hummm: The United Palestine

I wasn't trying to beat numbers --- heavens no! The Palestinian Refugee Numbers are the only refugees that actually grew in size. What I was asking is how the Palestinians define themselves? What distinguishes them from other populations?

2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?

• The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not a fact.

Palestine was an undefined area under the Ottoman Empire; territory under the greater governmental region of Syria. In the post-WWI Era, Palestine had to be defined by the Allied Powers; and was defined to mean "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." Palestine was, in effect, not defined by either the Arab or the Palestinian, but "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers."

References:

• The Palestine Order in Council, 1922
• The Treaty of Sevres, 1920

In fact, it should be noted that the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that claims all of Palestine, more often than not, defines Palestine in reference to the boundaries established by the Allied Powers, as determined by Syke-Picot Agreement (1916) and further subdivided by the Mandatory Powers. Palestine is directly mentioned in the Treaty of Sevres, but not mentioned once in the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, July 24, 1923.

Oddly enough, during the Ottoman Empire Era, Gaza was a Sanjak (District) of the Damascus Eyalet (Province), Syria - Ottoman Empire. Its administrative center was Gaza City. What the Palestinians call "Palestine," as the former territory under Mandate, is more correctly called the former Sanjak of Gaza.

Today (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012), the UN Recalls also its resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988, by which it, inter alia, acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988 and decided that the designation “Palestine” should be used in place of the designation “Palestine Liberation Organization” in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system; referring to the territory occupied since 1967. Thus, for the first time since the Palestine Order in Council (1922), the meaning of "Palestine" has changed FROM: are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine --- TO: the territory occupied since 1967.

3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?

(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment and recognition that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated, by Resolution at the Seventh Arab Summit, Rabat, Morocco 28 october 1974, there was no recognized government for Palestine. The Palestinians in the West Bank had, through their "right of self-determination," approved Annexation into the Hashemite Kingdom in 1950. And the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian Occupation until 1967. In 1967, the Egyptian Occupation was pushed-out of Gaza, and the Jordanian Forces were forced back across the Jordan River. In 1988, the HM the King of Jordan, dissolved the Annexation of the West Bank, and the PLO, using the "right of self-determination" again, declared Independence.

As we move forward in time to the present, we see that today, the UN Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine (Insert A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988).

4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.​

(COMMENT)

Central to the theme of "entering into relations with other states" (Article 1d, Montevideo Treaty which discusses the definition, rights and rights of statehood) is the concepts behind the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

• • 
    Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.
  
  Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
  
  Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; [A/RES/2/110 (1947)]

5. Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the
purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles
of the United Nations; [S/RES/1373 (2001)]

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State. [A/RES/25/2625 (1970)]
​

While the Gaza Strip and West Bank have demarcation lines rather than a permanent borders, the respect accorded is exactly the same under International Law until such time as the are finalized through negotiations.

The problem here is not about the territorial dispute, but the fact that the Hostile Arab Palestinian cannot demonstrate that they can enter into a productive and peaceful negotiated effort to resolve the differences.

Article Thirteen: [Hamas Covenant (1988)]

• Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

ITEM Nineteen: [Hamas Political Positions (2013)]

• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

There is no significant difference between the positions held by the HAMAS of 1988 and the HAMAS of today; nor has there been any significant progress in developing a "productive" Friendly and Co-operative relationship between the two States, in the last quarter century.

Most Respectfully,
R​

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

 

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, et al,

I'm a bit confused in what you are saying here.

whole world know that israel built on occupied Palestinian territory,

(QUESTION)

Israel (proper) is that land generally considered and described as within the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that Israel (proper) is on Palestinian Territory?

(COMMENT)


I don't think the whole world knows that at all.

Israel was initially established under the criteria of the UN General Assembly, pursuant to the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The UK relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces in a pre-planned orderly withdrawal. On the same day, the Jewish Agency declared Independence and establishment of the State of Israel on the territory originally allotted to it by the partition plan, as coordinated with the UN Palestine Commission (as the successor to the UK). Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, the Armed Forces of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory under the deceptive guise to assist the Arab Palestinians.

By the time of the Armistice Arrangements, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City).

The armistice agreements were signed between Israel (representing the new Jewish State) and four of the bordering Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria). The agreements, which were all similar in general content, made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party. In point of fact, the Arab Palestinians were not even a party to any Armistice Agreement.

The State of Palestine and its territory is actually first recognized in the UN Resolution (A/RES/43/177) where it Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; that would be the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and parts of Jerusalem.

While treaties between Israel and the Arab States of Jordan (1994) and Egypt (1979) were created, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, the Arab Palestinians were not parties to the treaties which established permanent international boundaries between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.

It is in the Oslo Accords, that the jurisdiction of the Arab Palestinians is defined.

So I ask,

• What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestinian?
• What is the defined territory of the Arab Palestinian?
• What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
• What capacity to enter into relations with the other states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

Most Respectfully,
R

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters who control the world before W

Rehmani, et al,

I'm a bit confused in what you are saying here.

whole world know that israel built on occupied Palestinian territory,

(QUESTION)

Israel (proper) is that land generally considered and described as within the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that Israel (proper) is on Palestinian Territory?

(COMMENT)


I don't think the whole world knows that at all.

Israel was initially established under the criteria of the UN General Assembly, pursuant to the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The UK relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces in a pre-planned orderly withdrawal. On the same day, the Jewish Agency declared Independence and establishment of the State of Israel on the territory originally allotted to it by the partition plan, as coordinated with the UN Palestine Commission (as the successor to the UK). Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, the Armed Forces of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory under the deceptive guise to assist the Arab Palestinians.

By the time of the Armistice Arrangements, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City).

The armistice agreements were signed between Israel (representing the new Jewish State) and four of the bordering Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria). The agreements, which were all similar in general content, made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party. In point of fact, the Arab Palestinians were not even a party to any Armistice Agreement.

The State of Palestine and its territory is actually first recognized in the UN Resolution (A/RES/43/177) where it Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; that would be the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and parts of Jerusalem.

While treaties between Israel and the Arab States of Jordan (1994) and Egypt (1979) were created, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, the Arab Palestinians were not parties to the treaties which established permanent international boundaries between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.

It is in the Oslo Accords, that the jurisdiction of the Arab Palestinians is defined.

So I ask,

• What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestinian?
• What is the defined territory of the Arab Palestinian?
• What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
• What capacity to enter into relations with the other states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

Most Respectfully,
R

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters, who control the world before WWII, in the result of WWII Master gave the world UNO so as Jewish got Israel, so as world changed after WWII, World can be change again by the different Master. This is what history tell us and always repeat, so please don't tell us what suit to you be real. Let's talk about your question!
1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?
Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.
2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?
The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.
3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?
You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.

CHANGE YOURSELVES, FREE YOURSELVES FROM YOUR ELDERS THEY ARE USING YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT MASAYA IS COMING AND YOU ARE ESPECIAL KIND AMONG THE MANKIND.

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
But I agree with you that Muslims are still dis-organised.

The British by rights had no say in the matter and it was their inherent ANTI SEMITISM and JEW HATRED that led to the problems we face today. The LoN should have relieved Britain of its mandate and given it to a stronger nation to manage.

 

[MJB12741]

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Wow. Equating peace with death. I guess that makes sense in Israel, but ONLY in Israel. Helluva "negotiating" tactic.[/QUOTE]




It is the only reasoning the Palestinians know, look at Black September when Jordan executed all those Palestinian terrorists. Then Lebanon when the Christians did the same. Both times the Palestinians got the message and stopped their take over bids. So third time lucky and they might put down their weapons for good if there is another mass execution of Palestinian terrorists and decide to talk of peace.[/QUOTE]

So true, it took Jordan nearly 20,000 dead Palestinians to communicate peace from them. Sure looks like Israel still has a long way to go.

 

[MJB12741]

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Wow. Equating peace with death. I guess that makes sense in Israel, but ONLY in Israel. Helluva "negotiating" tactic.

It is the only reasoning the Palestinians know, look at Black September when Jordan executed all those Palestinian terrorists. Then Lebanon when the Christians did the same. Both times the Palestinians got the message and stopped their take over bids. So third time lucky and they might put down their weapons for good if there is another mass execution of Palestinian terrorists and decide to talk of peace.[/QUOTE]

So true, it took Jordan nearly 20,000 dead Palestinians to communicate peace from them. Sure looks like Israel still has a long way to go.[/QUOTE]

It is truly sad that the Palestinians are their own worst enemy. For it is they themselves who actually elected Hamas to represent them & carry out their wishes. And now with over 2000 dead Palestinians & much of Gaza in ruins, Hamas claims a major VICTORY for the Palestinian people to celebrate.

 

[Rehmani]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let the examination begin!

Let's talk about your question!

1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?

• Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.

(COMMENT)

Hummm: The United Palestine

I wasn't trying to beat numbers --- heavens no! The Palestinian Refugee Numbers are the only refugees that actually grew in size. What I was asking is how the Palestinians define themselves? What distinguishes them from other populations?

2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?

• The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not a fact.

Palestine was an undefined area under the Ottoman Empire; territory under the greater governmental region of Syria. In the post-WWI Era, Palestine had to be defined by the Allied Powers; and was defined to mean "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." Palestine was, in effect, not defined by either the Arab or the Palestinian, but "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers."

References:

• The Palestine Order in Council, 1922
• The Treaty of Sevres, 1920

In fact, it should be noted that the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that claims all of Palestine, more often than not, defines Palestine in reference to the boundaries established by the Allied Powers, as determined by Syke-Picot Agreement (1916) and further subdivided by the Mandatory Powers. Palestine is directly mentioned in the Treaty of Sevres, but not mentioned once in the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, July 24, 1923.

Oddly enough, during the Ottoman Empire Era, Gaza was a Sanjak (District) of the Damascus Eyalet (Province), Syria - Ottoman Empire. Its administrative center was Gaza City. What the Palestinians call "Palestine," as the former territory under Mandate, is more correctly called the former Sanjak of Gaza.

Today (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012), the UN Recalls also its resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988, by which it, inter alia, acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988 and decided that the designation “Palestine” should be used in place of the designation “Palestine Liberation Organization” in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system; referring to the territory occupied since 1967. Thus, for the first time since the Palestine Order in Council (1922), the meaning of "Palestine" has changed FROM: are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine --- TO: the territory occupied since 1967.

3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?

(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment and recognition that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated, by Resolution at the Seventh Arab Summit, Rabat, Morocco 28 october 1974, there was no recognized government for Palestine. The Palestinians in the West Bank had, through their "right of self-determination," approved Annexation into the Hashemite Kingdom in 1950. And the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian Occupation until 1967. In 1967, the Egyptian Occupation was pushed-out of Gaza, and the Jordanian Forces were forced back across the Jordan River. In 1988, the HM the King of Jordan, dissolved the Annexation of the West Bank, and the PLO, using the "right of self-determination" again, declared Independence.

As we move forward in time to the present, we see that today, the UN Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine (Insert A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988).

4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.​

(COMMENT)

Central to the theme of "entering into relations with other states" (Article 1d, Montevideo Treaty which discusses the definition, rights and rights of statehood) is the concepts behind the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

• • 
    Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.
  
  Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
  
  Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; [A/RES/2/110 (1947)]

5. Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the
purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles
of the United Nations; [S/RES/1373 (2001)]

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State. [A/RES/25/2625 (1970)]
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While the Gaza Strip and West Bank have demarcation lines rather than a permanent borders, the respect accorded is exactly the same under International Law until such time as the are finalized through negotiations.

The problem here is not about the territorial dispute, but the fact that the Hostile Arab Palestinian cannot demonstrate that they can enter into a productive and peaceful negotiated effort to resolve the differences.

Article Thirteen: [Hamas Covenant (1988)]

• Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

ITEM Nineteen: [Hamas Political Positions (2013)]

• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

There is no significant difference between the positions held by the HAMAS of 1988 and the HAMAS of today; nor has there been any significant progress in developing a "productive" Friendly and Co-operative relationship between the two States, in the last quarter century.

Most Respectfully,
R​

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.