Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, et al,

I'm a bit confused in what you are saying here.

whole world know that israel built on occupied Palestinian territory,

(QUESTION)

Israel (proper) is that land generally considered and described as within the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that Israel (proper) is on Palestinian Territory?

(COMMENT)


I don't think the whole world knows that at all.

Israel was initially established under the criteria of the UN General Assembly, pursuant to the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The UK relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces in a pre-planned orderly withdrawal. On the same day, the Jewish Agency declared Independence and establishment of the State of Israel on the territory originally allotted to it by the partition plan, as coordinated with the UN Palestine Commission (as the successor to the UK). Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, the Armed Forces of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory under the deceptive guise to assist the Arab Palestinians.

By the time of the Armistice Arrangements, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City).

The armistice agreements were signed between Israel (representing the new Jewish State) and four of the bordering Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria). The agreements, which were all similar in general content, made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party. In point of fact, the Arab Palestinians were not even a party to any Armistice Agreement.

The State of Palestine and its territory is actually first recognized in the UN Resolution (A/RES/43/177) where it Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; that would be the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and parts of Jerusalem.

While treaties between Israel and the Arab States of Jordan (1994) and Egypt (1979) were created, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, the Arab Palestinians were not parties to the treaties which established permanent international boundaries between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.

It is in the Oslo Accords, that the jurisdiction of the Arab Palestinians is defined.

So I ask,

• What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestinian?
• What is the defined territory of the Arab Palestinian?
• What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
• What capacity to enter into relations with the other states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

Most Respectfully,
R

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters who control the world before W

Rehmani, et al,

I'm a bit confused in what you are saying here.

whole world know that israel built on occupied Palestinian territory,

(QUESTION)

Israel (proper) is that land generally considered and described as within the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that Israel (proper) is on Palestinian Territory?

(COMMENT)


I don't think the whole world knows that at all.

Israel was initially established under the criteria of the UN General Assembly, pursuant to the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The UK relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces in a pre-planned orderly withdrawal. On the same day, the Jewish Agency declared Independence and establishment of the State of Israel on the territory originally allotted to it by the partition plan, as coordinated with the UN Palestine Commission (as the successor to the UK). Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, the Armed Forces of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory under the deceptive guise to assist the Arab Palestinians.

By the time of the Armistice Arrangements, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City).

The armistice agreements were signed between Israel (representing the new Jewish State) and four of the bordering Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria). The agreements, which were all similar in general content, made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party. In point of fact, the Arab Palestinians were not even a party to any Armistice Agreement.

The State of Palestine and its territory is actually first recognized in the UN Resolution (A/RES/43/177) where it Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; that would be the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and parts of Jerusalem.

While treaties between Israel and the Arab States of Jordan (1994) and Egypt (1979) were created, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, the Arab Palestinians were not parties to the treaties which established permanent international boundaries between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.

It is in the Oslo Accords, that the jurisdiction of the Arab Palestinians is defined.

So I ask,

• What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestinian?
• What is the defined territory of the Arab Palestinian?
• What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
• What capacity to enter into relations with the other states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

Most Respectfully,
R

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters, who control the world before WWII, in the result of WWII Master gave the world UNO so as Jewish got Israel, so as world changed after WWII, World can be change again by the different Master. This is what history tell us and always repeat, so please don't tell us what suit to you be real. Let's talk about your question!
1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?
Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.
2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?
The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.
3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?
You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.

CHANGE YOURSELVES, FREE YOURSELVES FROM YOUR ELDERS THEY ARE USING YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT MASAYA IS COMING AND YOU ARE ESPECIAL KIND AMONG THE MANKIND.

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

 

[Beelzebub]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

 

[Beelzebub]

 

[MJB12741]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

 

[toastman]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

The Palestinians aren't Israel enemy. Hamas is.

'Israelis are making a true hell for themselves'

Ah, I see you're still living in that delusional world if yours.
Just so you know, my invitation to join the rest of us in the real world isn't going to be on the table forever

 

[Crystalclear]

Zionism can be the solution for the problem callled Hamas.

 

[toastman]

Everyone stole everyone else's land at one time or another. If they are strong enough to keep it, they keep it. If not they lose it. Shut up and deal.

They did. Many times. They lost every single time.

That logic says that the Palestinians have every right to fight and agitate to get the land back.
So what are you complaining about?

You fucked that one up there Toasty. Unless you intended to change my remarks.

Idiot.

You said that the Palestinians have every right to "fight and agitate to get their land back"

I responded with :"they did. Many times. They lost every single time"

I guess when someone provides you with the truth about the I/P conflict, you are confused since your used to anti Zionist lies and propaganda.

 

[MJB12741]

Truly I don't understand the claim that Israel is stealing or occupying "Palestinian land" when the indigenous Palestinians were Jews & there were no Muslims at all, let alone Muslim Palestinians until after the 7th century AD.

 

[Phoenall]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

 

[MJB12741]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[Beelzebub]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Its curious that you think killing civilians will help you. No doubt, that is why the IDF are instructed to target children and non-combatants. That you miss that the world sees what you are doing is your mistake. Each time, you turn another million or more against the fascist State of Israel, which knows no borders, to itself or decency.

In 1939 Europe could have avoided many many civilian casualties by allowing Nazi Germany to take nation after nation. But in time the cost would have been much much higher. Its just a pity we allowed Nazi Germany to transplant into Palestine.

But we have seen you now. Your time is limited.

 

[Beelzebub]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Note: ANOTHER call for genocide. MJB: You WILL rot in hell. Hopefully, while still alive.

 

[MJB12741]

How many dead Palestinians will it take? Seems to me that at some point Palestinians should learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop Digging!

An enemy which wont give up and isn't eradicated cannot be defeated.

Israel has never suffered defeat. When it does, it will run.

Chances are though that will be at the hands of the economists. Israelis are making a true hell for themselves, both in this world and the next, if there is such a thing.

Well hey, good to know the enemy won't give up. So let us join together & wish Hamas many more major victories like this last one.

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.

Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Note: ANOTHER call for genocide. MJB: You WILL rot in hell. Hopefully, while still alive.

Now what are you fuming about. I don't want no genocide of any racial, religious or ethnic group. Just the deaths of world terrorists. Happy now? Or do you support world terrorists?

 

[Beelzebub]

You cannot cover that the 2000 (2200) dead were Palestinians, mostly non-combatants. But all opposing Israel's tyrannical and despotic rule.

So then you call them ALL terrorists.
You call for genocide.

You are a fascist, subsection, Zionist.

 

[Forester]

Yes another 2000 next month and then 2000 every month until they agree to talk peace.[/QUOTE]
Or until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY![/QUOTE]

Wow. Equating peace with death. I guess that makes sense in Israel, but ONLY in Israel. Helluva "negotiating" tactic.

 

[Crystalclear]

You cannot cover that the 2000 (2200) dead were Palestinians, mostly non-combatants. But all opposing Israel's tyrannical and despotic rule.

So then you call them ALL terrorists.
You call for genocide.

You are a fascist, subsection, Zionist.

Ooh please, we both know that the numbers are so high because of Hamas placing rockets and whatever more in civilian areas.

 

[Rehmani]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let the examination begin!

Let's talk about your question!

1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?

• Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.

(COMMENT)

Hummm: The United Palestine

I wasn't trying to beat numbers --- heavens no! The Palestinian Refugee Numbers are the only refugees that actually grew in size. What I was asking is how the Palestinians define themselves? What distinguishes them from other populations?

2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?

• The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not a fact.

Palestine was an undefined area under the Ottoman Empire; territory under the greater governmental region of Syria. In the post-WWI Era, Palestine had to be defined by the Allied Powers; and was defined to mean "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." Palestine was, in effect, not defined by either the Arab or the Palestinian, but "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers."

References:

• The Palestine Order in Council, 1922
• The Treaty of Sevres, 1920

In fact, it should be noted that the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that claims all of Palestine, more often than not, defines Palestine in reference to the boundaries established by the Allied Powers, as determined by Syke-Picot Agreement (1916) and further subdivided by the Mandatory Powers. Palestine is directly mentioned in the Treaty of Sevres, but not mentioned once in the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, July 24, 1923.

Oddly enough, during the Ottoman Empire Era, Gaza was a Sanjak (District) of the Damascus Eyalet (Province), Syria - Ottoman Empire. Its administrative center was Gaza City. What the Palestinians call "Palestine," as the former territory under Mandate, is more correctly called the former Sanjak of Gaza.

Today (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012), the UN Recalls also its resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988, by which it, inter alia, acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988 and decided that the designation “Palestine” should be used in place of the designation “Palestine Liberation Organization” in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system; referring to the territory occupied since 1967. Thus, for the first time since the Palestine Order in Council (1922), the meaning of "Palestine" has changed FROM: are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine --- TO: the territory occupied since 1967.

3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?

(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment and recognition that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated, by Resolution at the Seventh Arab Summit, Rabat, Morocco 28 october 1974, there was no recognized government for Palestine. The Palestinians in the West Bank had, through their "right of self-determination," approved Annexation into the Hashemite Kingdom in 1950. And the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian Occupation until 1967. In 1967, the Egyptian Occupation was pushed-out of Gaza, and the Jordanian Forces were forced back across the Jordan River. In 1988, the HM the King of Jordan, dissolved the Annexation of the West Bank, and the PLO, using the "right of self-determination" again, declared Independence.

As we move forward in time to the present, we see that today, the UN Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine (Insert A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988).

4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.​

(COMMENT)

Central to the theme of "entering into relations with other states" (Article 1d, Montevideo Treaty which discusses the definition, rights and rights of statehood) is the concepts behind the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

• • 
    Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.
  
  Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
  
  Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; [A/RES/2/110 (1947)]

5. Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the
purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles
of the United Nations; [S/RES/1373 (2001)]

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State. [A/RES/25/2625 (1970)]
​

While the Gaza Strip and West Bank have demarcation lines rather than a permanent borders, the respect accorded is exactly the same under International Law until such time as the are finalized through negotiations.

The problem here is not about the territorial dispute, but the fact that the Hostile Arab Palestinian cannot demonstrate that they can enter into a productive and peaceful negotiated effort to resolve the differences.

Article Thirteen: [Hamas Covenant (1988)]

• Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

ITEM Nineteen: [Hamas Political Positions (2013)]

• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

There is no significant difference between the positions held by the HAMAS of 1988 and the HAMAS of today; nor has there been any significant progress in developing a "productive" Friendly and Co-operative relationship between the two States, in the last quarter century.

Most Respectfully,
R​

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

 

[MJB12741]

You cannot cover that the 2000 (2200) dead were Palestinians, mostly non-combatants. But all opposing Israel's tyrannical and despotic rule.

So then you call them ALL terrorists.
You call for genocide.

You are a fascist, subsection, Zionist.

How dare you call me of all people a ZIONIST! I despise them for their treatment of the Palestinians. What kind of people make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & grant them their own land so they can remain in Israel to kill Israeli's? If there is ever to be a lasting peace, Israel must first abaondon this damn Zionist agenda & learn to treat the Palestinians with the same Arab country love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to & so well deserve. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[Hossfly]

@Rehmani, et al,

Let the examination begin!

Let's talk about your question!

1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?

• Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.

(COMMENT)

Hummm: The United Palestine

I wasn't trying to beat numbers --- heavens no! The Palestinian Refugee Numbers are the only refugees that actually grew in size. What I was asking is how the Palestinians define themselves? What distinguishes them from other populations?

2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?

• The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is not a fact.

Palestine was an undefined area under the Ottoman Empire; territory under the greater governmental region of Syria. In the post-WWI Era, Palestine had to be defined by the Allied Powers; and was defined to mean "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." Palestine was, in effect, not defined by either the Arab or the Palestinian, but "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers."

References:

• The Palestine Order in Council, 1922
• The Treaty of Sevres, 1920

In fact, it should be noted that the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that claims all of Palestine, more often than not, defines Palestine in reference to the boundaries established by the Allied Powers, as determined by Syke-Picot Agreement (1916) and further subdivided by the Mandatory Powers. Palestine is directly mentioned in the Treaty of Sevres, but not mentioned once in the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, July 24, 1923.

Oddly enough, during the Ottoman Empire Era, Gaza was a Sanjak (District) of the Damascus Eyalet (Province), Syria - Ottoman Empire. Its administrative center was Gaza City. What the Palestinians call "Palestine," as the former territory under Mandate, is more correctly called the former Sanjak of Gaza.

Today (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012), the UN Recalls also its resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988, by which it, inter alia, acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988 and decided that the designation “Palestine” should be used in place of the designation “Palestine Liberation Organization” in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system; referring to the territory occupied since 1967. Thus, for the first time since the Palestine Order in Council (1922), the meaning of "Palestine" has changed FROM: are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine --- TO: the territory occupied since 1967.

3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?

(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment and recognition that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated, by Resolution at the Seventh Arab Summit, Rabat, Morocco 28 october 1974, there was no recognized government for Palestine. The Palestinians in the West Bank had, through their "right of self-determination," approved Annexation into the Hashemite Kingdom in 1950. And the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian Occupation until 1967. In 1967, the Egyptian Occupation was pushed-out of Gaza, and the Jordanian Forces were forced back across the Jordan River. In 1988, the HM the King of Jordan, dissolved the Annexation of the West Bank, and the PLO, using the "right of self-determination" again, declared Independence.

As we move forward in time to the present, we see that today, the UN Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine (Insert A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988).

4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.​

(COMMENT)

Central to the theme of "entering into relations with other states" (Article 1d, Montevideo Treaty which discusses the definition, rights and rights of statehood) is the concepts behind the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

• • 
    Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.
  
  Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
  
  Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; [A/RES/2/110 (1947)]

5. Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the
purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles
of the United Nations; [S/RES/1373 (2001)]

Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State. [A/RES/25/2625 (1970)]
​

While the Gaza Strip and West Bank have demarcation lines rather than a permanent borders, the respect accorded is exactly the same under International Law until such time as the are finalized through negotiations.

The problem here is not about the territorial dispute, but the fact that the Hostile Arab Palestinian cannot demonstrate that they can enter into a productive and peaceful negotiated effort to resolve the differences.

Article Thirteen: [Hamas Covenant (1988)]

• Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

ITEM Nineteen: [Hamas Political Positions (2013)]

• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

There is no significant difference between the positions held by the HAMAS of 1988 and the HAMAS of today; nor has there been any significant progress in developing a "productive" Friendly and Co-operative relationship between the two States, in the last quarter century.

Most Respectfully,
R​

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

Confucius say; "Man who fly upside down have crack up."

 

[Rehmani]

Rehmani, et al,

I'm a bit confused in what you are saying here.

whole world know that israel built on occupied Palestinian territory,

(QUESTION)

Israel (proper) is that land generally considered and described as within the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that Israel (proper) is on Palestinian Territory?

(COMMENT)


I don't think the whole world knows that at all.

Israel was initially established under the criteria of the UN General Assembly, pursuant to the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The UK relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces in a pre-planned orderly withdrawal. On the same day, the Jewish Agency declared Independence and establishment of the State of Israel on the territory originally allotted to it by the partition plan, as coordinated with the UN Palestine Commission (as the successor to the UK). Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, the Armed Forces of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory under the deceptive guise to assist the Arab Palestinians.

By the time of the Armistice Arrangements, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City).

The armistice agreements were signed between Israel (representing the new Jewish State) and four of the bordering Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria). The agreements, which were all similar in general content, made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party. In point of fact, the Arab Palestinians were not even a party to any Armistice Agreement.

The State of Palestine and its territory is actually first recognized in the UN Resolution (A/RES/43/177) where it Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; that would be the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and parts of Jerusalem.

While treaties between Israel and the Arab States of Jordan (1994) and Egypt (1979) were created, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, the Arab Palestinians were not parties to the treaties which established permanent international boundaries between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.

It is in the Oslo Accords, that the jurisdiction of the Arab Palestinians is defined.

So I ask,

• What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestinian?
• What is the defined territory of the Arab Palestinian?
• What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
• What capacity to enter into relations with the other states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

Most Respectfully,
R

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters who control the world before W

Rehmani, et al,

I'm a bit confused in what you are saying here.

whole world know that israel built on occupied Palestinian territory,

(QUESTION)

Israel (proper) is that land generally considered and described as within the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that Israel (proper) is on Palestinian Territory?

(COMMENT)


I don't think the whole world knows that at all.

Israel was initially established under the criteria of the UN General Assembly, pursuant to the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The UK relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces in a pre-planned orderly withdrawal. On the same day, the Jewish Agency declared Independence and establishment of the State of Israel on the territory originally allotted to it by the partition plan, as coordinated with the UN Palestine Commission (as the successor to the UK). Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, the Armed Forces of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory under the deceptive guise to assist the Arab Palestinians.

By the time of the Armistice Arrangements, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City).

The armistice agreements were signed between Israel (representing the new Jewish State) and four of the bordering Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria). The agreements, which were all similar in general content, made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party. In point of fact, the Arab Palestinians were not even a party to any Armistice Agreement.

The State of Palestine and its territory is actually first recognized in the UN Resolution (A/RES/43/177) where it Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; and Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; that would be the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and parts of Jerusalem.

While treaties between Israel and the Arab States of Jordan (1994) and Egypt (1979) were created, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, the Arab Palestinians were not parties to the treaties which established permanent international boundaries between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.

It is in the Oslo Accords, that the jurisdiction of the Arab Palestinians is defined.

So I ask,

• What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestinian?
• What is the defined territory of the Arab Palestinian?
• What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
• What capacity to enter into relations with the other states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?

Most Respectfully,
R

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters, who control the world before WWII, in the result of WWII Master gave the world UNO so as Jewish got Israel, so as world changed after WWII, World can be change again by the different Master. This is what history tell us and always repeat, so please don't tell us what suit to you be real. Let's talk about your question!
1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?
Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.
2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?
The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.
3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?
You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.

CHANGE YOURSELVES, FREE YOURSELVES FROM YOUR ELDERS THEY ARE USING YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT MASAYA IS COMING AND YOU ARE ESPECIAL KIND AMONG THE MANKIND.

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
But I agree with you that Muslims are still dis-organised.