Americans don’t WANT electric cars. Is that a problem?

[Cellblock2429]

What is needed is a more fuel efficient gas motor. Anything to undercut big oil control is a pisitive.

/——/ Cars in the 60s averaged 11 mpg vs 30-40 mpg today and the oil companies are doing fine. That’s not the problem.

 

[The Duke]

The charging cords being on the stationary, unmanned chargers have created ALL kinds of problems.
As was explained by your average electrician when the subject of charger design came up.
As in you don't make the Hot/line side a male and the load side the female side.
Basic rule of extension cords, power cords, and device energizing.

They need to make the plug a standard 60 Amp 277 V recepticle....3 phase would be better...but whatever.

It's not good to charge battery packs with high amperage.

 

[JohnDB]

It's not good to charge battery packs with high amperage.

By the time that you split the amps with the current dividers to charge each cell....it's not that much current. It's literally hundreds of tiny batteries in a EV. Not three big ones. It just looks like three big ones...inside each of those three is a bunch of small ones.

Where the problem lies is with the CT's for the meter. Spikes in current, however brief, are what is used for billing at the meter. A CT measures amps not voltage or total watts.

Just like most big, multi wing, buildings have several air handlers. Some are shut down when sections are closed and unused. But ALL air handlers are connected and controlled so they do not start up at the same time. 7 second delay after one starts up the next will be allowed to start up it's cycle...and on in series like that. Because they all operate off of thermostats reading roughly the same temperature. So this little gizmo that gives a sequential seven second delay usually saves a couple thousand dollars every year on the electric bill.

The problem with fast charging is that it slowly destroys the batteries PLUS its also hard on the electric grid that cannot handle that many cars being plugged in.

But a car could be completely charged in ten minutes.

 

[The Duke]

By the time that you split the amps with the current dividers to charge each cell....it's not that much current. It's literally hundreds of tiny batteries in a EV. Not three big ones. It just looks like three big ones...inside each of those three is a bunch of small ones.

Where the problem lies is with the CT's for the meter. Spikes in current, however brief, are what is used for billing at the meter. A CT measures amps not voltage or total watts.

Just like most big, multi wing, buildings have several air handlers. Some are shut down when sections are closed and unused. But ALL air handlers are connected and controlled so they do not start up at the same time. 7 second delay after one starts up the next will be allowed to start up it's cycle...and on in series like that. Because they all operate off of thermostats reading roughly the same temperature. So this little gizmo that gives a sequential seven second delay usually saves a couple thousand dollars every year on the electric bill.

Bullshit. Lithium battery cells do not do well with high amp charging.

60A is lot of current. You go grab some 60A 220V house wire and lemme know how that goes for ya.

Tesla battery packs are built on 3.7v Tesla batteries. I know exactly wtf I'm talking about, do you?

 

[JohnDB]

Bullshit. Lithium battery cells do not do well with high amp charging.

60A is lot of current. You go grab some 60A 220V house wire and lemme know how that goes for ya.

Tesla battery packs are built on 3.7v Tesla batteries. I know exactly wtf I'm talking about, do you?

Hey, I could be wrong. But the battery packs I seen were made from a bunch of what looked like D cell batteries....like hundreds of them. And if each of the three "batteries" had a hundred each....20 amps per hundred....that's half an Amp per battery....voltage can be whatever necessary....
Because it's watts that matter in truth. P=IxE....

And if these batteries have a hundred @3.7V each...that can be a lot of volts or a lot of amps...depending if wired in series or parallel. (Usually both) And since batteries are always DC....it's not the RMS anymore of voltage. It's half. (Gotta go across a wave rectifyer....either full or half)
24V AC is only 12V DC at best.

 

[The Duke]

Hey, I could be wrong. But the battery packs I seen were made from a bunch of what looked like D cell batteries....like hundreds of them. And if each of the three "batteries" had a hundred each....20 amps per hundred....that's half an Amp per battery....voltage can be whatever necessary....
Because it's watts that matter in truth. P=IxE....

And if these batteries have a hundred @3.7V each...that can be a lot of volts or a lot of amps...depending if wired in series or parallel. (Usually both) And since batteries are always DC....it's not the RMS anymore of voltage. It's half. (Gotta go across a wave rectifyer....either full or half)
24V AC is only 12V DC at best.

They're actually like a cross between C and AA batteries, but they're Lithium Ion.
They weld them in series to get all the volts and amps.

It's really a lot of moving parts, and that's never good..

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[skye]

Electric cars?

Not for me.

 

[percysunshine]

EVs kill.

"A recent study published by the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health found that drivers of electric vehicles (EVs) and hybrids are twice as likely to hit pedestrians compared to those driving traditional gas-powered cars, potentially leading to more fatal accidents. This conclusion came from a review of British road accidents. The study examined 32 billion miles of EV travel and 3 trillion miles of combustion-engine car trips."

Study finds EVs, hybrids twice as likely to hit pedestrians, causing more fatalities

A recent study found EVs and hybrids are twice as likely to hit pedestrians than gas cars, potentially leading to more fatal accidents.

san.com

You are the carbon they want to remove.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Orangecat]

Build an electric car that is a better deal for people than a traditional car and the market will respond accordingly. Of course, that would include a nationwide infrastructure that would facilitate quick and convenient recharging. Currently, that doesn’t exist.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

The real problem is that the US mistakenly went all in on cars and oriented essentially the entirety of its civilization and economy around a car centered culture versus urban density and rapid public transit. Future generations inherited a mass of rotting public infrastructure with ballooning costs to maintain. The solutions seem to either be privatization or to just let it rot, creating pockets of decay and persistent economic inequity. Having to rely upon a car to travel to work or fulfill basic needs becomes increasingly problematic when one considers the ever increasing cost of car purchasing, repairs and insurance. They are a tremendous yet unavoidable economic burden. This before we consider the negative health consequences of car culture feeding sedentary lifestyles the pollution they bring along with the the stresses on the biosphere they impose through their operation and raw materials sourcing.

 

[justoffal]

CNN explores that question:

Biden is doubling down on the dream that Americans will, one day, actually want electric cars | CNN Business

The Biden administration is banking the old “if you build it they will come” approach to cudgel the auto industry away from gas-burning cars. It also seems to recognize a giant problem at the heart of the long-awaited EV revolution: Americans don’t really want them.

amp.cnn.com

New YorkCNN —
The Biden administration is banking on the old “if you build it they will come” approach to cudgel the auto industry away from gas-burning cars. It also seems to recognize a giant problem at the heart of the long-awaited EV revolution: Americans don’t really want them.

CNN explains several reasons why Americans are just not buying electric vehicles. All of them seem pretty reasonable. None of them are anything like “because I want the Earth to burn!”

So what is the solution to this unwillingness to purchase electric vehicles? In a free democracy, the answer is obvious. People don’t want it, they don’t want it, so pretty much end of discussion.

Democrats, what is your solution in your vision of what America should be, instead of a free democracy?

Your answers I believe would fit into one of two categories: more incentives, or more force. no mystery there.

I’m just curious to know what you think that should look like? Please be specific.

Actually no the Biden administration is depending on:

"you'll do whatever the fuck we tell you to do!"

Similarly adherents to this administration all feel as though they can take the same position with anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[justoffal]

Build an electric car that is a better deal for people than a traditional car and the market will respond accordingly. Of course, that would include a nationwide infrastructure that would facilitate quick and convenient recharging. Currently, that doesn’t exist.

There's this little thing called the laws of physics. Regardless of how much progress men may make in the future, certain aspects of the laws of physics can never be changed. There will never be any form of electric charging that will match the speed of a gasoline refill. There maybe other ways around the problem But that race was won long ago.

 

[JohnDB]

There's this little thing called the laws of physics. Regardless of how much progress men may make in the future, certain aspects of the laws of physics can never be changed. There will never be any form of electric charging that will match the speed of a gasoline refill. There maybe other ways around the problem But that race was won long ago.

Hybrid vehicles are viable now instead of these all electric cars.
A much easier reach than all electric vehicles. And a hybrid potentially could run off of pure ethanol instead of a petroleum product.

The engineering required to create a long lasting viable Hybrid product is a much easier reach than an all electric vehicle. AND it also could bridge the gap for off road vehicles such as farm tractors and road construction equipment.

 

[justoffal]

Hybrid vehicles are viable now instead of these all electric cars.
A much easier reach than all electric vehicles. And a hybrid potentially could run off of pure ethanol instead of a petroleum product.

The engineering required to create a long lasting viable Hybrid product is a much easier reach than an all electric vehicle. AND it also could bridge the gap for off road vehicles such as farm tractors and road construction equipment.

Very True

 

[justoffal]

Hybrid vehicles are viable now instead of these all electric cars.
A much easier reach than all electric vehicles. And a hybrid potentially could run off of pure ethanol instead of a petroleum product.

The engineering required to create a long lasting viable Hybrid product is a much easier reach than an all electric vehicle. AND it also could bridge the gap for off road vehicles such as farm tractors and road construction equipment.

Actually hybrid construction equipment can be quite impressive! With battery storage available when extra power is needed one can draw on a tremendous amount of previously unavailable power if one is to use both integrated systems simultaneously!

 

[JohnDB]

Actually hybrid construction equipment can be quite impressive! With battery storage available when extra power is needed one can draw on a tremendous amount of previously unavailable power if one is to use both integrated systems simultaneously!

The hybrid Logging Trucks in Canada are literally better than the American diesel counterparts. More horsepower and torque in a "drive-by-wire" all wheel drive system that stops wheel spinning when off road and overall more horsepower. Also the overall weight is less so LARGER loads can be accommodated instead of an exemption for being overweight as All Electric trucks are currently getting because of 2,000lbs of batteries. Plus hybrid trucks gain 20% more fuel efficiency right off the bat making financing easier to pay than reduced loads and higher costs with all electric.

Like I said....this is what is doable with bells on.

 

[justoffal]

The hybrid Logging Trucks in Canada are literally better than the American diesel counterparts. More horsepower and torque in a "drive-by-wire" all wheel drive system that stops wheel spinning when off road and overall more horsepower. Also the overall weight is less so LARGER loads can be accommodated instead of an exemption for being overweight as All Electric trucks are currently getting because of 2,000lbs of batteries. Plus hybrid trucks gain 20% more fuel efficiency right off the bat making financing easier to pay than reduced loads and higher costs with all electric.
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Like I said....this is what is doable with bells on.

It's a far more reasonable approach than the all or nothing bullshit.

 

[Mac-7]

Yehbut, personal flying drone vehicles would be much mo bettah!

It could be better with more engineering

It could even be hybrid with a gasoline motor for range